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Actually I never said that. But nice Strawman. What I did say and continue to say is that by what has been measured, he has shown to be stronger than both Collins and Free. Where is your counter evidence?



http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lael-collins?id=2552361



Anything is better than just some guy's opinion.

Here is what you said in post 70:

I'm not, you obviously have some notion of a huge difference anchoring at left tackle vs anchoring at right tackle. You yourself said he could play left tackle. And some vague determiner of what strength is and how it's tied to weight, with no supporting evidence of that.

Sounds to me like that's exactly what you said but whatever.

Cool........ I can do that too though:

http://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2018CWilliams.php


Weaknesses:
  • Not strong at all
  • Underweight
  • More of a guard build, but a weak guard
  • Physically has a hard time playing tackle
  • Durability
  • Short arms for a tackle - 33 inches
  • Weak base


Read more: http://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2018CWilliams.php#ixzz5oCoNf6oh

Read more at http://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2018CWilliams.php#L0QfXKi2fQazyqYp.99


So I ask again, where is the indisputable proof that supports your claims that Williams is, in fact, stronger then is Collins?

You yourself say, that Collins played inside better then did Williams. How do you say that Williams was stronger but then say that Collins was better inside at a much more physical position?
 

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Yards and TOP don’t matter? Chip Kelly is that you?
Not if you can't score they don't, and not if the other team scores TDs to your field goals.

TOP is an offense stat, not a defense stat.
 

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Here is what you said in post 70:

I'm not, you obviously have some notion of a huge difference anchoring at left tackle vs anchoring at right tackle. You yourself said he could play left tackle. And some vague determiner of what strength is and how it's tied to weight, with no supporting evidence of that.

Sounds to me like that's exactly what you said but whatever.

Cool........ I can do that too though:

http://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2018CWilliams.php


Weaknesses:
  • Not strong at all
  • Underweight
  • More of a guard build, but a weak guard
  • Physically has a hard time playing tackle
  • Durability
  • Short arms for a tackle - 33 inches
  • Weak base

Read more: http://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2018CWilliams.php#ixzz5oCoNf6oh

Read more at http://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/scoutingreport2018CWilliams.php#L0QfXKi2fQazyqYp.99

First mistake. Walter and football. That guy and that site are trash.

So I ask again, where is the indisputable proof that supports your claims that Williams is, in fact, stronger then is Collins?

Documented bench press numbers. A better determiner of strength than ‘internet guy opinion’.

You yourself say, that Collins played inside better then did Williams. How do you say that Williams was stronger but then say that Collins was better inside at a much more physical position?

I’m saying Williams documented numbers show he was stronger than Collins. That Williams is strong enough to play tackle. And the flexibility that you yourself conceded plays to his strengths.
 

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First mistake. Walter and football. That guy and that site are trash.



Documented bench press numbers. A better determiner of strength than ‘internet guy opinion’.



I’m saying Williams documented numbers show he was stronger than Collins. That Williams is strong enough to play tackle. And the flexibility that you yourself conceded plays to his strengths.

I see, so it's Walter that is unacceptable. So much for the whole, one guys opinion thing, that statement you just made is the classic example of exactly that, the whole "One Guys Opinion" thing.

OK, so documented bench press numbers. OK, show them to me. Please provide William's bench press numbers and please provide Collins' bench press numbers. I mean, this is really not a very good method of proving which player is stronger since most of a players power is generated from his lower body but I'll play. Please show me those comparisons. Thank you.
 

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I see, so it's Walter that is unacceptable. So much for the whole, one guys opinion thing, that statement you just made is the classic example of exactly that, the whole "One Guys Opinion" thing.

Apples to oranges. I gave an opinion on Walter Football, not an opinion on a measurable statistic in strength as you and Walter tried, and failed.

OK, so documented bench press numbers. OK, show them to me. Please provide William's bench press numbers and please provide Collins' bench press numbers. I mean, this is really not a very good method of proving which player is stronger since most of a players power is generated from his lower body but I'll play. Please show me those comparisons. Thank you.

I gave you Collins numbers earlier. In that other post where you wrongly stated he couldn't perform.

But here they are again:


http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lael-collins?id=2552361

21 reps. Not very impressive.

By comparison, Doug Free - who will never be mistaken for a powerful lineman - mustered 22 reps.
 

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Apples to oranges. I gave an opinion on Walter Football, not an opinion on a measurable statistic in strength as you and Walter tried, and failed.

Don't BS me. You can try that crap on other posters but not me. I know this player, I've watched him for years. I like him and his game but I also know his limitations. You clearly do not. This entire thing started because you asked me a question about Williams at RT. I told you the truth and you didn't like the answer. That's on you. If you don't want the truth, don't ask the question.


I gave you Collins numbers earlier. In that other post where you wrongly stated he couldn't perform.

But here they are again:


http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lael-collins?id=2552361
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y21 reps. Not very impressive.

By comparison, Doug Free - who will never be mistaken for a powerful lineman - mustered 22 reps.

Fair enough, Tony Boselli only had 26 reps. Jason Peters 21 reps. Willie Roaf 25 reps. Orlando Pace, didn't lift at all. Neither did Walter Jones.

The point here is that bench pressing 225 lbs is not a very good indicator of an Offensive Linemen's strength. Obviously, all of the OTs I just listed above are light years better then the two players we are discussing here. Yet, they are all considered among the very best to ever play. What do they all have in common? None of them lifted all that well and yet, they all dominated in the NFL. Now, you can just continue down that idiotic "one internet guys opinion" thing but the truth is that bench press doesn't really mean squat with regards to actual strength along the OL. Yeah, it helps the punch but real strength doesn't come from the upper body. I tried to tell you this earlier but you are more concerned with trying to win an argument that you can not win because the premise you are trying to defend does not hold water, rather then listening and learning. I don't really know why you are doing this but if that's how you want to play it, that's fine with me.

I hope Williams does get bigger and stronger but I don't see him as a fit at RG or RT. I see him as a fit at LT, which is his natural position. I don't really see him as a fit at LG unless he gets much stronger.

That's just one Internet Guy's Opinion.
 

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Don't BS me. You can try that crap on other posters but not me. I know this player, I've watched him for years. I like him and his game but I also know his limitations. You clearly do not. This entire thing started because you asked me a question about Williams at RT. I told you the truth and you didn't like the answer. That's on you. If you don't want the truth, don't ask the question.

And if you can't handle being questioned, that's on YOU.


Fair enough, Tony Boselli only had 26 reps. Jason Peters 21 reps. Willie Roaf 25 reps. Orlando Pace, didn't lift at all. Neither did Walter Jones.

The point here is that bench pressing 225 lbs is not a very good indicator of an Offensive Linemen's strength.

Yeah, apparently 'internet guy opinion' and hindsight are much better indicators. Clearly.

Obviously, all of the OTs I just listed above are light years better then the two players we are discussing here. Yet, they are all considered among the very best to ever play. What do they all have in common? None of them lifted all that well and yet, they all dominated in the NFL. Now, you can just continue down that idiotic "one internet guys opinion" thing but the truth is that bench press doesn't really mean squat with regards to actual strength along the OL.

Yeah, as long as you'll preach measurable statistics "doesn't really mean squat", I'll use that "one Internet guys opinion", because that is what is truly "idiotic". I mean you seriously want to try to discard measured performance in favor of opinion? That's truly rich.

Yeah, it helps the punch but real strength doesn't come from the upper body. I tried to tell you this earlier but you are more concerned with trying to win an argument that you can not win because the premise you are trying to defend does not hold water, rather then listening and learning. I don't really know why you are doing this but if that's how you want to play it, that's fine with me.

I've already won. I have performance numbers while you have bupkiss. I don't have to play or learn anything.

I hope Williams does get bigger and stronger but I don't see him as a fit at RG or RT. I see him as a fit at LT, which is his natural position. I don't really see him as a fit at LG unless he gets much stronger.

That's just one Internet Guy's Opinion.

Thanks for clarifying that.
 

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Fatal Flaw: Coaching

This is a pretty talented team. Dak Prescott and Ezekiel Elliott don't seem riled up about looking for new deals. The offensive line, if healthy, is a top-tier unit. I'm not worried about the pass catchers the way I was last year. And defensively there's more than enough juice here. What concerns me is the coaching staff. We're talking about Jason Garrett, who has consistently been willing to settle for conservative calls late in games, and it feels like it's going to bite him. And Kellen Moore, the former Boise State standout, is a first-time OC replacing Scott Linehan. Not doubting his chops, but it's his first time calling plays, which is a question mark.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ntzs-health-and-every-teams-possible-pitfall/

Exactly right. I can't see us winning a SB with Garrett. Game management matters.
 

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So the Rams’ game was, like, 85 percent on defense. Zeke was very meh. Dak hit some dimes.
 

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Garrett is the coach of executing his vanilla plans no matter what; instead of making adjustments when his team is getting whipped... I.e., Rams playoff game, Chaz Green Atlanta game, and Megatron 300+ receiving yards game.
 

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If all 32 teams have a “fatal flaw” I guess that means nobody will win the Super Bowl this year?
 

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So? What about the other 3 quarters? It's not like they scored 30 in the first half.

If Dallas' offense could do anything, the Rams A) don't have the same opportunities and B) have actual pressure to score.

So? So your theory is false. They ran at will from the very first time they had the ball until the last time they had the ball. Your theory ignores the facts.
 

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So? So your theory is false. They ran at will from the very first time they had the ball until the last time they had the ball. Your theory ignores the facts.
Again...so?

They don't have the ball as much if Dallas can do anything on offense.
 

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Again...so?

They don't have the ball as much if Dallas can do anything on offense.

But that wasn't your original point. Here is you original statement:

The Rams could run at will because the Cowboys offense couldn't do anything

No, the Rams could run at will because they just out schemed and out played us. They ran it down out throats right from the start.......... not simply after the Cowboys started spitting the bit offensively.
 

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But that wasn't your original point. Here is you original statement:



No, the Rams could run at will because they just out schemed and out played us. They ran it down out throats right from the start.......... not simply after the Cowboys started spitting the bit offensively.
By "can't run at will," I meant they literally wouldn't have the ball to do it.
 
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