Don't focus on Dollar amount, focus on Percentage for Contracts

[dogunwo]

So, its just a coincidence both super bowl teams last year had QBs on cheap contracts............thus allowing their teams to use cap dollars in free agency and buy better roster depth. We barely made it out of wildcard week with Dak making nothing. Giving him more money and having less to spend on other positions makes no sense for this team, if the goal is to advance in the playoffs.

Now, if your Dak, his agent, or a relative, I totally understand your opinion.

Context is important. Tom Brady has said that he doesn't worry about the money as much because of his wife, and it might be different if he wasn't in the situation. Goff is still on his rookie deal. You are acting as if the comparisons are apples and oranges. Dak Prescott, in a sport where your prime is short and the injury risk is extremely high, does not owe the Cowboys anything when it comes to taking less money than his market value. His value is not determined by how good of a QB fans think he is. Its determined by his talent and accomplishments relative to others in the same position as well as what someone is willing to pay him. I would be shocked if he gets anything less than 30 per year. The holdup at this point is likely how the bonuses are structured.

 

[Future]

Exhibit A) Demarcus Lawrence.

It was never going to be less than $20m, because that was slightly less percentage of cap than Mack and Donald got.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

So, its just a coincidence both super bowl teams last year had QBs on cheap contracts............thus allowing their teams to use cap dollars in free agency and buy better roster depth. We barely made it out of wildcard week with Dak making nothing. Giving him more money and having less to spend on other positions makes no sense for this team, if the goal is to advance in the playoffs.

Now, if your Dak, his agent, or a relative, I totally understand your opinion.

Brady had a $22M cap hit, 11th highest in the league.

But it is funny trying to make a claim but then not giving any solutions.

 

[dogunwo]

Pay him 22 million per year and move on. Put in an option for player to opt out and if he outperforms that number Jerry will give him that super contract.
Don’t mess up the future of the team by making dumb decisions.

What makes you think he would take that? That's an awful contract and no agent would let him sign crap like that. You forget there are two sides to negotiations. He's not an "employee" in that manner that you and other like minded fans keep trying to claim.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

What makes you think he would take that? That's an awful contract and no agent would let him sign crap like that. You forget there are two sides to negotiations. He's not an "employee" in that manner that you and other like minded fans keep trying to claim.

Yep. Fans can take these options and that's it

1. Resign him now for the $30ish per year
2. Let him play this year out with the intention of resigning for $32.5Mish a year next offseason
3. Let him play out this year and letting walk for possibility of 3rd round comp
4. Play out this year then franchise him for around $34Mish next year
5. Trade him

Those are your options

 

[dogunwo]

Yep. Fans can take these options and that's it

1. Resign him now for the $30ish per year
2. Let him play this year out with the intention of resigning for $32.5Mish a year next offseason
3. Let him play out this year and letting walk for possibility of 3rd round comp
4. Play out this year then franchise him for around $34Mish next year
5. Trade him

Those are your options

You forget one option that seems to be all over this board.

6. Let him play out the contract and hope he is bad to fit your agenda over the good of the team and release him.


Your options 1-5 are very realistic though.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

You forget one option that seems to be all over this board.

6. Let him play out the contract and hope he is bad to fit your agenda over the good of the team and release him.


Your options 1-5 are very realistic though.

I knew I was missing one

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

No other team is going to enter a bidding war for his services next year, so there no need to lock Dak up to a ridiculous contract now - contrary to Jerry's old San Francisco gold miner allegory (in part, why we are stuck with Garrett).

Considering what was paid for Cousins and Foles, I'd say this is demonstrably false. Hell, look what was paid for Osweiler without really playing. Case Keenum was much, much less established and he got 2 years at $18 million per. You underestimate the desperation for quality QB play.

 

[xwalker]

Makes sense you need to account for signing bonus. But If a rookie contract is extended because they won the SB I wouldnt include the extension in that SB year because it was added after they won. In Rothlisbergers case you would figure the second SB as a separate contract. I wouldnt avg contracts out if they are back loaded because that would just prove as the years go on their salary going up could affect the cap enough where they cant sign all the players they would if they werent paying that much to the QB.

My thread was about the contract the player was on at the time he won the Super Bowl.

Roethlisberger won the Super Bowl for the 2008 season.
He had signed a new contract before that season.

Purpose of %Cap thread:
To compare new contracts (Dak, etc..) to contracts signed by Super Bowl winning QBs.
The comparison is the Actual AAV at the time the contract was signed.

I added an example in my thread about Listed AAV vs Actual AAV:

https://cowboyszone.com/posts/9234194/

 

[dckid]

What makes you think he would take that? That's an awful contract and no agent would let him sign crap like that. You forget there are two sides to negotiations. He's not an "employee" in that manner that you and other like minded fans keep trying to claim.

Let him play out his contract. I think there is a way to pay him more money guaranteed and a lower dollar figure. 3 years 66 million.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Let him play out his contract. I think there is a way to pay him more money guaranteed and a lower dollar figure. 3 years 66 million.

He would never sign that. He would have to be franchised or someone else will give him $30 million and we're stuck with a great roster and no QB. By 2020 the franchise tag will likely be $25-27 million anyway so you're splitting hairs for a whole bunch of potential aggravation.

 

[McKDaddy]

Considering what was paid for Cousins and Foles, I'd say this is demonstrably false. Hell, look what was paid for Osweiler without really playing. Case Keenum was much, much less established and he got 2 years at $18 million per. You underestimate the desperation for quality QB play.

How did the deals for Cousins, Osweiler & Keenum work out? That is what more people should really consider. (Cousins might still work out but is definitely being questioned now)

Foles, who has better resume than Dak, signed a four-year, $88 million deal with $50 million guaranteed.

I agree that quality QB demand outpaces supply but to simply throw money at the position without consideration of value received is just poor decision making.

I wouldn't commit to Dak at this point, regardless of the amount. If he improves his play, then I can feel better about whatever amount I spend on him.

 

[dogunwo]

Let him play out his contract. I think there is a way to pay him more money guaranteed and a lower dollar figure. 3 years 66 million.

66 million guaranteed is laughable itself when Russell Wilson just received a contract that includes 107 in guaranteed money and Kirk Cousins just signed for 84 million guaranteed. There's no way you have had any basics economics classes ever.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

How did the deals for Cousins, Osweiler & Keenum work out? That is what more people should really consider. (Cousins might still work out but is definitely being questioned now)

Foles, who has better resume than Dak, signed a four-year, $88 million deal with $50 million guaranteed.

I agree that quality QB demand outpaces supply but to simply throw money at the position without consideration of value received is just poor decision making.

I wouldn't commit to Dak at this point, regardless of the amount. If he improves his play, then I can feel better about whatever amount I spend on him.

Dak has a better resume than Cousins - who is at $28 million. That's where negotiations will start and someone will give it to him. And most QBs don't stop improving after three seasons.

 

[Flamma]

You forget one option that seems to be all over this board.

6. Let him play out the contract and hope he is bad to fit your agenda over the good of the team and release him.


Your options 1-5 are very realistic though.

Another option is to let him play out this season then Transition tag him. This will allow other teams to offer him contracts that Dallas would have to match in order to keep him. Then we'd see his true value because teams wouldn't lose anything like with the franchise tag. It would also cost much less than the franchise tag. So the Cowboys have to weigh what the highest offer would be in the open market to what he'll accept now. Pick the lower of the two. Make sense?

 

[Sydla]

Of course you do. You say that about anything the Cowboys do. Who you trying to fool, yourself?

LOL.

Another fine contribution by Rockport.

 

[Sydla]

Dak is much more than “meh”. He’s 32-16 in 3 yrs and hasn’t missed a game. The first year he was a rookie.

Only the ignorant spout out a record as the best stat for a QB.

Think about it this way. You are giving him credit for winning a game against the Oakland Raiders in 2017 where he played putridly and the defense bailed him out. How he should get a gold star for that game simply because it was a win shows the stupidity in arguing record as the best measure of Dak's worth.

 

[Sydla]

Considering what was paid for Cousins and Foles, I'd say this is demonstrably false. Hell, look what was paid for Osweiler without really playing. Case Keenum was much, much less established and he got 2 years at $18 million per. You underestimate the desperation for quality QB play.

It doesn't matter anyway. The Cowboys can just tag him and that pretty much ends the possibility of him going anywhere else in FA. Unless you think some team is going to not only pay him like $30MM+ a year but also give up two first round picks for him.

Contrary to what that twit Rockport is spouting, I am not opposed to paying Prescott a long term contract. I just don't believe now is the time to do it. With the tag, you can allow him to play out his current contract and see if he does make that next step in 2019. If he does, great, try to sign him next year on a premium but knowing that you are far more confident in the type of QB you have. Or................. he struggles in 2019, the team doesn't reach the lofty expectations that they apparently have, and you now have the flexibility to make a franchise decision on whether you should start to plan for another QB, etc. without being handcuffed to a decent or average QB making $30MM+ a season for the next 3-4 years.

 

[dckid]

66 million guaranteed is laughable itself when Russell Wilson just received a contract that includes 107 in guaranteed money and Kirk Cousins just signed for 84 million guaranteed. There's no way you have had any basics economics classes ever.

The incentive would be for Dak to perform and hit free agency again in three years. Fully guaranteed!

 

[dogunwo]

Once again, the incentive has to be better than current options. He will already be in the market for more guaranteed money that $66 million. So there is no player incentive to sign a deal like that, only the team benefits.