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He's a more forward moving version on Barry.
Barry danced and he was transcendant at it.
I have seen no player that has his here-we-go moment like him and then go through circus moves to get there like Barry.
And that's no dog on Barkley.
One thing about Barkley, and I hate to admit this, is that he’s similar to Emmitt in that he never takes a hit. Very valuable trait as he has a chance to have a long career. Good thing he plays for the dysfunctional Giants.
 

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One thing about Barkley, and I hate to admit this, is that he’s similar to Emmitt in that he never takes a hit. Very valuable trait as he has a chance to have a long career. Good thing he plays for the dysfunctional Giants.
You won't see me dogging Barkley. I know the weapon he presents.
Maybe the Giants should get rid of him now because Toruk thinks RB's are a dime a dozen.
Maybe a 4th rounder?
 

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That is what the Rams signed up for this time last year.

And now....



The point?

RB is the most wasteful position to invest heavily in. Period.

The Rams are 1 year into a new deal for Gurley and in their heart of hearts they're counting down the days until 2022 when they can get out from under the it.

And I think, using a team that just participated in a Super Bowl was probably not the best team to make your point with ... :grin:
 

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Except, that's not what is really happening here. Your argument would need to be that he was getting long homerun runs every game - that's not exactly what was happening, now was it? Again, you don't end a career averaging 5.0 a carry if you're not putting up a ton of positive yards on the majority of carries.

And I will like to point out, that's still just a claim. There is no original source that you're linking me to.

I'm open minded but will choose believe the two Barry Sanders negative yardage records linked in this thread over your opinion for the time being. Feel free to disprove them, though. I'll be anxiously awaiting your findings.
 

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And I think, using a team that just participated in a Super Bowl was probably not the best team to make your point with ... :grin:
NO!
You write giant, multi-thousand word posts!
That's your place!

I swoop in and steal your eggs, like a disgusting vulture! Or Fox... which is much more visually appealing, right @Furboy ? We like our furries...
 

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You won't see me dogging Barkley. I know the weapon he presents.
Maybe the Giants should get rid of him now because Toruk thinks RB's are a dime a dozen.
Maybe a 4th rounder?
:lmao: He would do it for a 5th :lmao2:
 

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And I think, using a team that just participated in a Super Bowl was probably not the best team to make your point with ... :grin:
No actually was perfect. Who was their most effective rb in the postseason?
 

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1. How many franchise QBs would you say are out there in the NFL in any given year? Yet that is easier than putting together an elite defense? Interesting.

2. I would not call either defenses elite either, but both were Top-10 in scoring D, which is pretty darn good. Good enough to win anyways.

3. You know the biggest single reason why the Cowboys have had cap issues in the past are attributed to? Injuries. Not bad signings, but guys they signing or trading for that ending up having severe or career ending injuries.

4. Yet without that pairing taking up almost half of the Super Bowl spots during their time together, there is a chance that a Top WR and/or Top RB, two positions that the Patriots do not value, could have won a Super Bowl. Just like when the Cowboys were winning in the 90's, it was "clear" you needed a Top WR (Irvin) and Top RB (Smith) to win it all. Trends come and go man, especially when there is a dynasty driving those trends.

5. Despite being the best QB in the league, lets look at all the Patriot Super Bowls
  1. Patriots defense holds one of the Greatest Offensive teams of all time to just 17 points to allow the FG Kicker to win it at the last minute
  2. Brady had a great game, and the defense did not hold. Again, needing a FG Kicker to win it all in the last minute, again
  3. The Patriots win again, but not at the last minute this time. I wonder if the 3 point win had anything to do with McNabb choking (or puking) the game away with 3 Ints
  4. Arguably the biggest choke in NFL history as the undefeated Patriots, with their all-time great offense, put up a mere 14 points in a 17-14 loss to Eli
  5. The "revenge" Super Bowl were "The GOAT" Tom was only able to put up 17 points against Eli's 21
  6. Patriots win due to Seattle's stupidity at refusing to run it on 2nd and Goal, from the 1, with 1 TO left, and "Beast Mode" as the RB for the GW TD, only to have the Defense bail Tom out again
  7. I could call this a choke job by Atlanta, but I will give full credit to Tom for leading the offense back from being down 21-3 at half time to make an historic comeback
  8. Was able to cap off his largest margin of victory in his SB history (at least so far) but it was far less about the offensive output (13 points) and more about defensive domination (3 points allowed)
Some may look at that list and think "damn, SackMaster is a Tom Brady hater" and the list would be a great argument for that take. BUT .... what I am HOPING what people will see is that despite being the G.O.A.T. NFL QB, without
  • a iron nerved kicker
  • a defense that held great offenses in check multiple times
  • and arguably the most idiotic coaching decision in NFL history
Even with the GOAT QB, the Patriots could EASILY be 1-7 in the Super Bowl with the only "Tom carried the team" Super Bowl win being against the Falcons.

That's why the NFL is so great. It is the one major American sport where a single player CANNOT carry a team for an entire season. Without a good kicker, good luck. Without a good defense, nice try. Without a good offense, fat chance. Without a good coach, bahahahahaha.

That is why a Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco and Nick Foles can be Super Bowl winning QBs, while guys like "Record Breaking" Tom Brady, Payton Manning, John Elway and Dan Mario are Super Bowl losing QBs.

It is NOT all about the QB.
But how many Super Bowls does the Patriots have without Tom Brady?

It is NOT all about the RB.
But how many Super Bowls does the Cowboys have without Emmitt Smith?

It is NOT all about the WR.
But how many Super Bowls does the 49ers have without Jerry Rice?

It is NOT all about the Defense.
But how many Super Bowls does the Steelers have without the Steele Curtain?

Yet take away the Defense or Kicker from Tom Brady's Patriots, do they withstand the offensive powerhouses they faced?

Take away Aikman-to-Irvin from the Cowboys offense, is the offense nearly as potent and deadly?

Take away the west-coast offense that the 49ers perfected, can they win SBs with two different QBs?

Take away Steelers' amazing WR catches (Swann and Holmes), would their defense have been enough?

I know at this point, I beat a dead horse to death, but some people just don't get it.

In closing, if you want to cry that
  • "there's no way we can win a Super Bowl because me made Zeke the highest paid RB in the NFL"
  • "how can we pay Amari so much because top WRs don't win Super Bowls"
  • "the Jones' cursed the Cowboys by signing Dak to a top-5 QB deal"
I served 5 years in the military to protect your right to whine like a baby (although JOKINGLY I do regret that sometimes)

But that does not mean that any single, combination of, or all of them happening automatically keeps the Cowboys from being able to compete for a Lombardi.

Yet by stating so, all you are doing is giving yourself a 31 of 32 chance about bragging how you were right all this time every single year. So I will say, congratulations for sticking your neck out there against such "terrible" odds.

As for me? The Cowboys are going to do what the Cowboys do regardless of what a "internet troll" thinks. That is part of the reason they make millions and I have yet to hit 6 figures a year. And when the season comes, I will root for them, even for the guys I don't particularly like *cough* Garrett *cough* and deep down, truly hope that he can figuratively tell me to "**** Internet Troll, let the coaches coach, and let what ever people like you do, continue to do". I will still walk around with a smile on my face happily displaying Cowboys colors and any Super Bowl winning merchandise.

And for the sake of your well being, I hope you can do the same.

Dang you came out guns blazing, lol you need to post more.
 

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NO!
You write giant, multi-thousand word posts!
That's your place!

I swoop in and steal your eggs, like a disgusting vulture! Or Fox... which is much more visually appealing, right @Furboy ? We like our furries...
Furries can be fun...

 

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But sure keep dumbing down my argument so that you can process it easily.

Or I could read the post you made to start this thread, where that was your entire point. We are 13 pages into your butthurt over being wrong on the Zeke pick (I was too, but I can admit it) so its really not about my reading comprehension.
 

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Yeah... goofy poops like to relate the tale of RB's can come and go.
This team tried that. Remember Randall? Remember Hambrick?
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The funny thing is that the last time a cheap plug-and-play RB did work for this team it was Darren McFadden in his first year - and 90% of this board roasted Jerry for the move.
 

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It's not the 90s.

Its not the 90's, its much easier to spend money on a RB now. The Salary Cap is five times as much as it was when it took effect with Emmitt Smith's extension, but the highest paid RB in the league only makes twice as much.
 

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Only if you don't have an elite RB do you take that approach
Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith didn't have RB by committee for a very good reason

well, they did play behind awesome OLs

BTW, Tony never had anywhere near the load of Emmitt (but there was a guy named Preston Pearson who spotted him from time to time :)

the best backfield I've ever seen included Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, and Walt Garrison ... all 3 were critical pieces and cost a pretty penny. Garrison was a PB when the Boys spent a top pick on Hill, a year later another top pick on Thomas. They stomped Miami that year for their first SB win ... arguably the best team in NFL history.

The Dolphin learned their lesson, added Mercury Morris to a tandem of Kick and Csonka ... the only undefeated team every.

I thought Zeke was not worth a the #4 pick. I'd have traded down for more picks and drafted Henry in R2.

That said, investing in a RB is not dumb, but overworking them is real dumb.
 

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Or I could read the post you made to start this thread, where that was your entire point. We are 13 pages into your butthurt over being wrong on the Zeke pick (I was too, but I can admit it) so its really not about my reading comprehension.
What exactly was I wrong about on Zeke. I said great player. Terrible resource allocation.

Where are the holes in this argument?
 

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Its not the 90's, its much easier to spend money on a RB now. The Salary Cap is five times as much as it was when it took effect with Emmitt Smith's extension, but the highest paid RB in the league only makes twice as much.
This is... Wow. Just wow.

You can't think this way. I don't believe it. You're trolling.
 
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