The NFL is headed for no salary cap

[big dog cowboy]

I think they should have 2 salary caps. One gap for players the team drafts and grooms. Ala, Prescott, Jaylon, DLaw, Zeke, etc. Then they should have another cap for FA signees like Cooper. The team drafted salary cap would be more forgiving then the FA salary cap. I think it sucks you get punished for drafting well and getting great players only to lose them or sacrifice the rest of the team for a couple players. Just my opinion.

Interesting concept. BTW Cooper was traded for not a FA signing.

 

[Cowboy06]

With today's QBs making $120 million plus, teams can't afford to surround their stars with talent. These billionaires will have to go back to the old days and outselling your opponent. Lucky for us....our owner is a master.

 

[SoupcanSam]

We will just get beaten by Brady and billycheat every year in the SB and their shoe string spending because we’re just not as smart.

You know at some point those two will have to die off. No way they continue winning the way they do.

 

[cern]

Yep, the teams most likely to overpay in FA would just do more of that and right now the NFLPA knows the existence of the cap, and requirement to meet a % of that over a 3 year running total, keeps the playing field even for the players. No cap and no requirement of how much should be designated for player salaries and they know they are vulnerable to an owner like Bidwell, the reason for that minimum.

The teams that make mistakes with player acquisitions would just be making more expensive ones and I do not underestimate the greed factor with this group not to have a gentlemen's agreement about how much they will spend. Collusion? Sure, think they've never done that before?

It is pure myth that no cap means the Cowboys win it all or even field a better team. What you might have would be another Marlins fiasco, go for the gold one year and dismantle the team the next.

The NFL is smart, they know so goes one, so goes all in the increasing value of their league and individual teams. And what better way to allocate the players salaries than a % of the TV take and establish a hard cap?

ABSOLUTELY.

 

[John813]

I really doubt some rich owners would blow up salaries to the point where it would hurt profits.

They can claim it all they want for fan talk, but IMO it's all bark and no bite .

After winning the Superbowl Jerry Jones was willing to let the Smith holdout affect the first two games of the 93 season . There was no cap back then. Smith was a verified stud back then .

The cowboys in 1993 of August had 24 mil in accounted cap. 10 mil under the proposed 34 mil cap coming in 94.

And In 94 aikmans new contract(50 mil over 8 years) had a cap hit of 1.75 mil

Source for 24mil
https://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/20/sports/pro-football-1994-cap-is-influencing-1993-giants.html

Aikmans cap hit
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-12-24-sp-5081-story.html

 

[cern]

some years back the florida marlins mlb team went all out, spent the dollars, and put together a team that won the world series. but they lost money that year and immediately began to dismantle the team. ever since free agency in mlb, the nfl owners have used it as a guide how not to do things.

 

[CouchCoach]

You know at some point those two will have to die off. No way they continue winning the way they do.

I think I saw this post 5 years ago.

Until someone else figures out how to manage a team with these limitations, I don't care who he has at QB, NE will be a contender.

The difference between Belichick and other team builders is that they look at the starters as level 1 and backups at level 2 and Belichick has his backups at 1A. There is no level 1 player he is married to and has such power with his owner that the QB some feel is the GOAT and like family to Kraft had to take half the going rate for a Tier 1 QB or play elsewhere and he realizes that his legacy would not be what it will be with any other man in the NFL.

He's the best D mind in NFL history and has built his team for whatever kind of battle a team wants. Want a shootout or a D game, he can play either with equal aplomb.

I gave up on that "just wait" thinking about him after being wrong for the 3rd time in a row. He trades Chandler Jones and I think he's made a mistake, he trades Jamie Collins and I think he's made a mistake, he trade Brandin Cooks and I think he's made a mistake and then it dawns on me, me thinking he's made a mistake, that's the mistake!

I think the Cowboys are in the process of doing exactly what Belichick would not do. The best they can hope for is they get that ring before they have to dismantle it. Which is fine if that's the thinking, just get a ring. The difference is he thinks like that every year and he's the only one that can. He never finds himself in a must pay situation with multiple players.

He's also smarter than most because he has the best OC and OLC in the NFL and let's them do their thing while he masterminds his D.

 

[cern]

I think I saw this post 5 years ago.

Until someone else figures out how to manage a team with these limitations, I don't care who he has at QB, NE will be a contender.

The difference between Belichick and other team builders is that they look at the starters as level 1 and backups at level 2 and Belichick has his backups at 1A. There is no level 1 player he is married to and has such power with his owner that the QB some feel is the GOAT and like family to Kraft had to take half the going rate for a Tier 1 QB or play elsewhere and he realizes that his legacy would not be what it will be with any other man in the NFL.

He's the best D mind in NFL history and has built his team for whatever kind of battle a team wants. Want a shootout or a D game, he can play either with equal aplomb.

I gave up on that "just wait" thinking about him after being wrong for the 3rd time in a row. He trades Chandler Jones and I think he's made a mistake, he trades Jamie Collins and I think he's made a mistake, he trade Brandin Cooks and I think he's made a mistake and then it dawns on me, me thinking he's made a mistake, that's the mistake!

I think the Cowboys are in the process of doing exactly what Belichick would not do. The best they can hope for is they get that ring before they have to dismantle it. Which is fine if that's the thinking, just get a ring. The difference is he thinks like that every year and he's the only one that can. He never finds himself in a must pay situation with multiple players.

He's also smarter than most because he has the best OC and OLC in the NFL and let's them do their thing while he masterminds his D.

you raise some very good points. in truth, that is what i'm hoping Stephen is setting up to do strengthening our backups on the lines. there will come a time when the greatest value for zack, freddy and others is by virtue of a trade and acquiring draft picks. same or d-backs and wr's. Stephen seems to have the cut throat attitude. the needs of the team outweigh the needs of the individual. but belichik has the trump card in that any vet or free agent truly wanting a chance at a ring will want to play for the pats.

 

[CouchCoach]

some years back the florida marlins mlb team went all out, spent the dollars, and put together a team that won the world series. but they lost money that year and immediately began to dismantle the team. ever since free agency in mlb, the nfl owners have used it as a guide how not to do things.

But there are some here that would prefer that to get that 6th ring because I have asked that on both forums. And there's nothing wrong with that at all. I am more of being a contender and not getting a ring because the SB just isn't that big of a deal to me. But I do understand the other side of that and it is helpful to know where a poster is coming from and the clue phrase is "pay the man".

Some seem to feel these are a bunch of fantasy owners, they are not, they are businessmen and understand the ledger and that's their game, not football. The other thing they understand is public perception and pressure. If the cap were gone, how long before owners get called out for not spending? Hell, if the Cowboys didn't sign every expensive player they'd be calling Son a cheap skate even more, which I'll never get.

One of the reasons Bill Bidwell wanted to leave St. Louis was because of the cheap skate label, that he earned. Now, teams can get called out for making the wrong decisions about players and a lot of that is paying too much because of the cap.

 

[SoupcanSam]

I agree with most and also agree the cowboys are doing the opposite of BB.

With that said, all things must come to an end.

 

[CouchCoach]

you raise some very good points. in truth, that is what i'm hoping Stephen is setting up to do strengthening our backups on the lines. there will come a time when the greatest value for zack, freddy and others is by virtue of a trade and acquiring draft picks. same or d-backs and wr's. Stephen seems to have the cut throat attitude. the needs of the team outweigh the needs of the individual. but belichik has the trump card in that any vet or free agent truly wanting a chance at a ring will want to play for the pats.

The definition of a coach, one who puts his player in his best possible position to succeed, is what brings those vets. Hell, he even got Collins back from CLE as he was a disappointment and it wouldn't surprise me for him to make the PB.

 

[OmerV]

They aren’t going to eliminate the salary cap and let small market teams fail to compete. Owners know the NFL needs competition to survive, and they don’t want to be forced into unlimited spending to compete. Over time teams will adjust - if the big QB salaries start killing their ability to compete they will quit paying them.

 

[tyke1doe]

If there is no salary cap, the Cowboys will rule the NFL.

 

[lockster]

I've. Been saying this forever

 

[atlantacowboy]

He's dead, so barring a zombie apocalypse, we don't have to worry about that.

I've always said the only thing worse than an uber wealthy NFL owner poaching good players is an uber rich competitive zombie.

 

[charron]

Having the cap in place helped shape the competitive nature of the NFL and it's not going anywhere.

 

[JD_KaPow]

With today's QBs making $120 million plus, teams can't afford to surround their stars with talent. These billionaires will have to go back to the old days and outselling your opponent. Lucky for us....our owner is a master.

The salary cap is holding QB (and all other players') salaries down.

 

[CouchCoach]

If there is no salary cap, the Cowboys will rule the NFL.

Please elaborate on that.

 

[plymkr]

Interesting concept. BTW Cooper was traded for not a FA signing.

That's right, I forgot Coop was a trade.

 

[wssaustin]

Jerry is not that rich comparing to some other NFL owners.