Video: Fair and balanced analysis of Dak Prescott

[Stash]

Those passer ratings and completion percentages may be good over the entire history of the nfl, but today, in this modern era, they are extremely pedestrian.

If that’s the case, why isn’t everyone else up there?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So a rookie to 3rd year QB's need to improve? LOL

Wow, glad we have a bunch of high flying idiots on this site to state the obvious. LOL

a rookie 3rd year QB!!??

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So a rookie to 3rd year QB's need to improve? LOL

Wow, glad we have a bunch of high flying idiots on this site to state the obvious. LOL

but that has been the point all along. all the people who criticize his short comings point to his need for improvement in some areas...yet Dak Lovers call them haters..... so he does need to improve.....let me ask the Dak Lovers what's wrong with saying that?

 

[8FOR!3]

I thought about posting this yesterday, I think this guy played quarterback in college football and he is knowledgeable and passionate about the sport. I think he tries very hard to not have a strong bias one way or another.

 

[HungryLion]

Back at the end of the 2016 I was skeptical seeing that Vikings game and then the Giants game at the end of the season. So yeah I saw it coming. I actually noticed during the season he was throwing a lot of short balls but thought oh they are just keeping things simple because he is a rookie. Yes Dak will throw those deep no risk balls once in a while but where he is extremely questionable is the middle of the field 20 yds crossing and outs. Those are the difficult type throws that requires velocity and accuracy and I dont think Dak will ever be throwing those. On the flip side Wentz was throwing those type of passes his first season but his WRs were all dropping them and he didnt have a #1 guy to throw to.

Yes. By all means mention the Vikings game and giants game but not the Bucs or lions or eagles or the playoff game where he was completing deep balls to Dez consistently.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I get what you are trying to do here, but the list of QBs you have given here, are nowhere similar to Dak Prescott.

• Tim Tebow at least had a positive TD-to-Int ratio (the only guy on your list)
  • Unfortunately that came with
    • less than 48% completion percentage
      • Dak is nearly 20 percentage points higher than that. AKA Huge Difference
    • About 151 yards per game per start
      • Again, a huge difference when compared to Dak
        
      • To show how big of a difference that is, you are talking about
        • Tebow throwing for under 2,500 yards in a season
        • To Dak's 3,600+ yards in a season (225+ ypg)
  • Yet Dak's TD-to-Int ratio is well over +2.5
    • Seriously, I can't believe ANYONE truly believes Dak is anything like Tebow as a passer

• Most of the guys on this list failed due to maturity issues (Young, Leaf, and Carter)
  • Leaf's arm was second to none
    • Yet with all that "arm talent", he failed in the NFL because he could not handle the job or the scrutiny
  • Young had the arm, just terrible mechanics
    • Unfortunately he was drafted by a team with a HC that could not make him better (See Jared Goff)
    • Even with that, it was his inability to handle early failures that lead to him not succeeding in the NFL
  • Carter had a good arm, just bad decision making
    • Both on and off the field
  • And I think even Dak Haters can agree, lack of maturity is not an issue for him

• Mark Sanchez may be the closest to Dak from your list, but even then it's not close in any regard ...
  • Despite given plenty of opportunity (Mark had two 500+ pass attempt seasons in first 3 years compared to Dak's having just one)

• Passing Yards
  • Only Topped Dak in passing yard in a season once.
    • Mark's best year = 3,474
    • Dak's worst year = 3,324
  • Passing Yards per game
    • Mark's years as full time starter = 195 ypg (or 3,120 yards per year)
      
    • Dak's years as a full time starter = 226 ypg (or 3,610 yards per year)

• Passing TD production
  • Outside of 26 in 2011, Mark never reached 18 Passing TDs in any other year
  • Full Time Starter
    • Mark = 68 Passing TDs in first 4 years
    • Dak = 67 Passing TDs in just 3 years

• Interceptions
  • Mark doubled Dak's Int Production in his first 3 years (51 to 25)
  • As Full Time Starter
    • Mark's lowest Int in a year = 13
      
    • Dak's highest Int in a year so far = 13

• Completion Percentage
  • As Full Time Starter
    • Mark did not pass 57% completion percentage in a year
      
    • Dak has not gone below 62% in a year so far

• QB Rating
  • As Full Time Starter
    • Mark did not pass a 79 QB Rating in a year
      
    • Dak has not been below a 86 QB Rating in a year so far

I get it, some don't like Dak and that is your right. But can we stop with the completely abstruse comparisons to QBs that show virtually nothing in common with Dak?

TLDR. I just read the last paragraph. I actually like Dak but I realize no ones perfect. Including Dak. So he'll have his struggles here and there just like everyone else. That's what my original post was about. Just letting everyone know Dak is not a god.

But CowboyRon is just an........let's just say, he call people names and attacks their post like he's the king of Jimmy Johnson Junior or something.

 

[Kevinicus]

If that’s the case, why isn’t everyone else up there?

Everyone else?

Because most other starting QBs have played longer than 3 years. Those that haven't (and are starters) still have way too small of a sample size (so is 3 years), and are on generally pretty bad teams, or they are trending better than Dak (overall - some stats have variances).

It's simply a fact that those numbers are middle of the road in 2018. The numbers are changing quickly for QBs. It used to be you could look at 20 year gaps and still compare somewhat. Then 10 years. Now, a 5 (or now even 1) year gap can have a huge change with how all the rules are going. If the rules continue, then you'll keep seeing the younger generations at the top and Dak will fall lower. It's no coincidence that as the league completion % went up, so did the passer rating. Passer rating is too influenced by completion % IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So a rookie to 3rd year QB's need to improve? LOL

Wow, glad we have a bunch of high flying idiots on this site to state the obvious. LOL

I don't understand this. This guy is almost 100% right about his evaluation of Dak. Why would you call other members idiots on this board because of that? That makes no sense plus, it's a personal attack. Don't need that Roy. If you disagree, just say you disagree and make your case.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Finally......someone with actual criticisms and something to back it up with. Props to him. Hard to disagree with him. I don't even know off its just man coverage. Seems like he doesn't attack the middle of the field often regardless of coverage. Nice video.

I think part of that is because teams recognize that Dak has issues throwing into windows over the top, especially to the sideline. That's essentially what this guy said. They play us inside out and Dak being Dak, he doesn't force the ball to the middle. That might be part of it.

 

[InTheZone]

Hard to disagree with anything he said and explains why some folks love Dak for all of his strengths and why some people are scared to death we are stuck with a dud because of his limitations.

If he really has improved attacking the sidelines downfield then we are going to be in really good shape.

Draw an imaginary V centered on the field. Outside the V is where his passes like to go. I would like to hear more about how he can beat a defense over the middle.

And i can see other responses, excuses excuses excuses blinders blinders blinders. It's ok to root for your team and players btw, just not understanding the complete disregard of what we actually see and get, like the sensitivity from criticism is through the roof. Its not personal, don't make it that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I can't remember any QB with 6 new WRs and a busted OL setting the world on fire with the deep game

funny no one questioned his deep game when Dez and Twill were healthy, and we had a LG

mostly they need to get Dak clean through his second read and get him out of the pocket more often

and a full offense with familiar targets goes a long way

BTW, the big issue I had with Dak was his short touch, that got fixed last off season, seems easier to fix deep touch

This isn't true. Lots of people did. It's just that it's hard to have those discussion on this board because a lot of people like Dak. They defend him, regardless. Not saying that's wrong or that I don't understand it. I'm just saying that those issues were brought up by certain posters previously, they just weren't paid attention to much because he had such a great Rookie season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

a rookie 3rd year QB!!??

Correct. Not only is he not a rookie, he's not in his third year. It is what it is.

 

[Stash]

Everyone else?

Because most other starting QBs have played longer than 3 years.

And? This is somehow supposed top be some sort of a liability against them? If they're better, it simply gives them that much more time to show it.

Those that haven't (and are starters) still have way too small of a sample size (so is 3 years), and are on generally pretty bad teams, or they are trending better than Dak (overall - some stats have variances).

Who's "trending better"? Show your work here and back up what you're claiming. I'm not expecting anything because this entire argument has been poor from the get-go.

It's simply a fact that those numbers are middle of the road in 2018. The numbers are changing quickly for QBs. It used to be you could look at 20 year gaps and still compare somewhat. Then 10 years. Now, a 5 (or now even 1) year gap can have a huge change with how all the rules are going. If the rules continue, then you'll keep seeing the younger generations at the top and Dak will fall lower. It's no coincidence that as the league completion % went up, so did the passer rating. Passer rating is too influenced by completion % IMO.

Oh brother, so there's simply no comparison that's applicable for some people, especially one that shows that Prescott is actually good. Any data which dares to show that is somehow disregarded. What a joke.

The only fact I see is you embarrassing yourself here.

 

[pansophy]

Draw an imaginary V centered on the field. Outside the V is where his passes like to go. I would like to hear more about how he can beat a defense over the middle.

And i can see other responses, excuses excuses excuses blinders blinders blinders. It's ok to root for your team and players btw, just not understanding the complete disregard of what we actually see and get, like the sensitivity from criticism is through the roof. Its not personal, don't make it that.

Your concern is also explained here. Year 1 defenses played Dak like they would have Romo -- they played a guy over the top of Dez a lot to shut him and the big play down. Dak's record breaking rookie year was made by passes to Witten and Beasley in the middle of the field.

Year 2 opponents realized that Dak had accuracy issues and actually couldn't beat them over the top. So they stopped protecting against the big plays on the outside and instead started to crowd the middle of the field. Suddenly there were conversations about Dez, Witten, and Beasley all 'declining' in the same year. But all that really happened is that defenses started play us totally differently. For the last 2 years I have been clamoring to see throws in the 10-20 yard range near the sidelines. Dak almost never threw them and when he did they were usually off target by quite a bit. So nothing really changed all of year 2.

The plan at the start of year 3 was to add speed to the outside to try to force defenses to defend over the top again. We got rid of Dez who at his best needed balls thrown into tight windows where he could go up and get them. That's not Dak's game so no reason to keep him. First touchdown on preseason was a fly route. At the beginning of the year in particular we took many shots downfield in an effort to force defenses to defend the sidelines, but these throws are lower percentage at baseline and Dak was also not good at them. The video showed that even when guys were coming wide open that Dak was missing them by a lot.

So the plan had to change midseason and we got Cooper. Defenses continued to play us the same way and fortunately Dak and Cooper had immediate chemistry. Two huge games by Cooper finally threw forced defenses to defend the outside again, and then magically we saw Beasley and Jarwin start to show up in the stat line again because the middle of the field began to open up.

All this is to say that if Dak has continued to improve his accuracy attacking the sideline downfield as this video highlights he needs to do and OTA reports suggest he has, you'll see him throwing in the middle of the field again more like he did his rookie year.

 

[pansophy]

Exactly, he has areas to improve like any young QB and all the hard parts are covered.

Shortcomings are things you typically cant get better at. But if that isn't what you meant then never mind.

picking the Colts game as an example seems rather ridiculous don't you think? You could use that to show how ANY player on offense couldn't do something. Zeke got shut out as well. So I guess he cant run then because of that game?

The criticisms of Dak are waaaaayyy toooo overboard and silly. Most young QB's have things to work on and have inconsistencies. Especially when they face good defenses, have injuries to the Oline, bad coaching, and lack of receiving threats they can depend on.

But at least we agree we should see him take the next step. Again, don't like the term "really elevate his game" as that indicated that he has underperformed so far in his career. Which again is laughable.

But maybe Im just too sensitive with all the Romo cry baby trolls mucking up the board.

I guess it depends on who you ask. Aikman has said that guys are either accurate or they aren't. Garrett has said that people who throw the deep ball well practice it a lot, and the guy who did the video seems to believe that it can be improved through repetition. If OTA reports are legit then it sounds like he is throwing the ball more accurately.

We'll know pretty quickly in the preseason if it is going to be more of the same or if Dak takes the next step as a passer.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

If Dak’s actually improving, as is being claimed, then he’ll definitely lead us past the divisional round this season...right?

We still have Garrett.

 

[irishline]

That would be great. Maybe he could make the pro bowl again and lead us into the playoffs. LOL

He made the pro-bowl because he replaced a guy after two others replaced guys. He was actually the 3rd alternate. Meaning 6th out of 16 NFC QBs.

Agree with the playoffs comment but wish people would stop talking about the pro-bowl like it means anything anymore.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Correct. Not only is he not a rookie, he's not in his third year. It is what it is.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't understand this. This guy is almost 100% right about his evaluation of Dak. Why would you call other members idiots on this board because of that? That makes no sense plus, it's a personal attack. Don't need that Roy. If you disagree, just say you disagree and make your case.

ahhh, that's just Cowboysroy, all he does is insult everyone to get into arguments...he needs human interaction through message board....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This isn't true. Lots of people did. It's just that it's hard to have those discussion on this board because a lot of people like Dak. They defend him, regardless. Not saying that's wrong or that I don't understand it. I'm just saying that those issues were brought up by certain posters previously, they just weren't paid attention to much because he had such a great Rookie season.

glad you mentioned it....some dakfanatics have selective memory