Video: Fair and balanced analysis of Dak Prescott

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This isn't true. Lots of people did. It's just that it's hard to have those discussion on this board because a lot of people like Dak. They defend him, regardless. Not saying that's wrong or that I don't understand it. I'm just saying that those issues were brought up by certain posters previously, they just weren't paid attention to much because he had such a great Rookie season.
It’s the one having the discussions that are the problem. Offering nothing but “he sucks” type commentary.
 

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And? This is somehow supposed top be some sort of a liability against them? If they're better, it simply gives them that much more time to show it.



Who's "trending better"? Show your work here and back up what you're claiming. I'm not expecting anything because this entire argument has been poor from the get-go.





Oh brother, so there's simply no comparison that's applicable for some people, especially one that shows that Prescott is actually good. Any data which dares to show that is somehow disregarded. What a joke.

The only fact I see is you embarrassing yourself here.
no one has argued that Prescott is bad....if that's the angle your are going for. the challenge is most DakFanatics take anything that's slightly sounds negative or critical as they are saying he is bad...they are very sensitive to this type of comments. and most dak fanatics call anyone who criticizes anything about Dak as HATERS....to some, you either fawn and foam at the mouth for Dak or you must be ahater.....

everyone says he is good. most of the people I have seen on this board, including me have commented about his positives, the question is. how many better QBs than him are there? he is not very good, or elite depending on your point of view. I think even dak fanatics (at least most semi-sensible ones) agree he is not elite. and most agree that he has room to grow, things he needs to improve....but somehow that gets misinterpreted for him not having the potential or ability to do so....and you get called a hater.
 

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He made the pro-bowl because he replaced a guy after two others replaced guys. He was actually the 3rd alternate. Meaning 6th out of 16 NFC QBs.

Agree with the playoffs comment but wish people would stop talking about the pro-bowl like it means anything anymore.
yeah, probowls these days are like participation trophy kids get in kiddie leagues...totally meaningless
 

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Well every time we ask you guys to show us you never do. So it didn’t happen until proven otherwise.
like I said, selective memory. its been shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...Dak is a middle of the pack QB in the NFL at this point...there are about 982734 other threads that have all the data and links and yet, your selective Alziemer's ridden memory is asking to prove it...again....

believe what you want, fantasy is an awesome thing. facts never change....you should seek the facts
 

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no one has argued that Prescott is bad....if that's the angle your are going for. the challenge is most DakFanatics take anything that's slightly sounds negative or critical as they are saying he is bad...they are very sensitive to this type of comments. and most dak fanatics call anyone who criticizes anything about Dak as HATERS....to some, you either fawn and foam at the mouth for Dak or you must be ahater.....

I’ve not called anyone a “hater”. So kindly don’t lump me in.

everyone says he is good. most of the people I have seen on this board, including me have commented about his positives, the question is. how many better QBs than him are there? he is not very good, or elite depending on your point of view. I think even dak fanatics (at least most semi-sensible ones) agree he is not elite. and most agree that he has room to grow, things he needs to improve....but somehow that gets misinterpreted for him not having the potential or ability to do so....and you get called a hater.

Again a false narrative. If you’re going to try to make that case, quote someone actually doing it.
 

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Passer rating is too influenced by completion % IMO.
Everything that goes into passer rating has exploded in the last decade, and especially the last five years.

Best Seasons since 1973 (passer rating invented)
bold = last five seasons
completion %
1 2018 (64.9)
2 2016 (63.0)
3 2015 (63.0)
4 2014 (62.6)
5 2017 (62.1)


yards per attempt
1 2018 (7.4)
2 2015 (7.3)
3 2016 (7.2)
4 2014 (7.2)

5 2011 (7.2)

INT% (lower is better)
1 2016 (2.3)
2 2015 (2.4)
3 2018 (2.4)
4 2017 (2.5)
5 2014 (2.5)


TD%
1 2018 (4.8)
2 2015 (4.6)
3 2014 (4.5)

4 2004 (4.5)
5 1987 (4.5)

In 2018, TD% (4.8) doubled INT% (2.4). First time that's happened in the 100-year history of the league.
 

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like I said, selective memory. its been shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...Dak is a middle of the pack QB in the NFL at this point...there are about 982734 other threads that have all the data and links and yet, your selective Alziemer's ridden memory is asking to prove it...again....

believe what you want, fantasy is an awesome thing. facts never change....you should seek the facts

And you refer to them while not actually bringing any? There’s quite a nice double standard you’ve got going there.
 

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like I said, selective memory. its been shown over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...Dak is a middle of the pack QB in the NFL at this point...there are about 982734 other threads that have all the data and links and yet, your selective Alziemer's ridden memory is asking to prove it...again....

believe what you want, fantasy is an awesome thing. facts never change....you should seek the facts
First off, Alzheimer’s is not selective memory. Try googling it. Secondly, you guys are liars. You are creating a bogus narrative that doesn’t exist. If it does post it. If not....quit creating it.
 

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Those passer ratings and completion percentages may be good over the entire history of the nfl, but today, in this modern era, they are extremely pedestrian.

Football is football, there are no asterisks in the stats.
Fans wants to compare era's to cherry pick stats. But Dak's numbers are actually up there with many "modern" day QB's.

If you go by the stats, Joe Namath should never sniff the HOF. Should he be removed because he does not fit the agenda of modern day fans?
 

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Dak's flat footed over throws are always going to be there. Dak struggling to throw floaters is always going to be there. But his timing with his wide receivers will get better and his downfield accuracy will get better. He really needs to learn how to throw the ball away instead of taking sacks. 26 to 28 a year is fair.

Trevor Lawrence 2021.

Footwork drills demonstrate an improvement in game performance. Consider that Dak has stated he did not work on his foot mechanics very much before going pro due to his college spread shotgun offense..

He has shown improvement in his drop back, follow throw, and stepping around the pocket already. He does not look remotely polished like say Drew Brees. Not saying he has that type of ceiling.

I do agree that the touch throws are likely never going to show up. He tries to throw past defenders with their backs turned but fitting intermediate throws over people has never really been a thing he tries often. He mostly leverages throws in that area.

Cobb, Cooper, Witten, Zeke, Jarwin and Pollard should get decent separation for him. Dak is accurate enough to farm the middle of the field working with them.

His decision making in response to pressure is his biggest weakness right now. The sacks are bad enough but he fumbles the ball a lot too. He needs better discipline handling the ball. I hope the game continues to slow down for him. Staring down routes doesn't help.
 

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And you refer to them while not actually bringing any? There’s quite a nice double standard you’ve got going there.
yeah, I am done posting more links and stats....like I said....you dont' believe me, there is plenty out there, just search for it.

and with that said, turning the tables. where is the proof that he is any good? you haven't provided any.....
 

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First off, Alzheimer’s is not selective memory. Try googling it. Secondly, you guys are liars. You are creating a bogus narrative that doesn’t exist. If it does post it. If not....quit creating it.
read again....I didn't say alziemers is selective....its a double adjective....selective memory, alziemers ridden memory... selective alziemers ridden memory
 

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yeah, I am done posting more links and stats....like I said....you dont' believe me, there is plenty out there, just search for it.

Some of us actually put in the work, funny that you can't and then have the nerve to expect it of others?

Notice your own hypocrisy at work here?

and with that said, turning the tables. where is the proof that he is any good? you haven't provided any.....

https://www.pro-football-reference....toyear_3=2018&player_id3=PresDa01&idx=players

Here's his first three years' worth of numbers and how he comes out ahead of both of his contemporaries. Even for the clearly biased, you're not going to find a more balanced comparison. And Dak has outperformed both of them. One of whom just got paid a boatload of money.

That first one is free, but do the rest of the clearly-needed homework on your own.
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Footwork drills demonstrate an improvement in game performance. Consider that Dak has stated he did not work on his foot mechanics very much before going pro due to his college spread shotgun offense..

He has shown improvement in his drop back, follow throw, and stepping around the pocket already. He does not look remotely polished like say Drew Brees. Not saying he has that type of ceiling.

I do agree that the touch throws are likely never going to show up. He tries to throw past defenders with their backs turned but fitting intermediate throws over people has never really been a thing he tries often. He mostly leverages throws in that area.

Cobb, Cooper, Witten, Zeke, Jarwin and Pollard should get decent separation for him. Dak is accurate enough to farm the middle of the field working with them.

His decision making in response to pressure is his biggest weakness right now. The sacks are bad enough but he fumbles the ball a lot too. He needs better discipline handling the ball. I hope the game continues to slow down for him. Staring down routes doesn't help.
The good out weighs the bad with Dak. So if he can cut down on the bad even a little he'd be pretty dynamic. I looking for us to wake it to the NFC championship game this year, with an improved Dak.
 

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And? This is somehow supposed top be some sort of a liability against them? If they're better, it simply gives them that much more time to show it.
Liability? No, it's simple. Numbers for QBs are up compared to what they were in the past, because the game changes. The rules are different and things are easier for QBs in general. Thus, QBs who have only played more recently with more rules in their favor will tend to have higher numbers.

It's why we don't say Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman sucked based on their passer ratings compared to what we see today.

Who's "trending better"? Show your work here and back up what you're claiming. I'm not expecting anything because this entire argument has been poor from the get-go.

Wentz and Goff are trending better. Mahomes likely will be, but since he really just has one year (+1 game), you can't say there is a trend. But as with Dak, those are also pretty small sample sizes/trends.

Oh brother, so there's simply no comparison that's applicable for some people, especially one that shows that Prescott is actually good. Any data which dares to show that is somehow disregarded. What a joke.

The only fact I see is you embarrassing yourself here.


You can compare him to other players today. But, using a 3 year sample size in the most prolific passing period in NFL history as a basis of historical comparison is just foolhardy.
And no, I provided proof of the fact that in 2018 those numbers are middle of the road. How can you argue they are not? They are hard numbers, nothing more.
 
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Football is football, there are no asterisks in the stats.
Fans wants to compare era's to cherry pick stats. But Dak's numbers are actually up there with many "modern" day QB's.

If you go by the stats, Joe Namath should never sniff the HOF. Should he be removed because he does not fit the agenda of modern day fans?

It is a fact that football has changed greatly over its lifespan, so "football is football" is not really accurate when looking over a certain time period.
 

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It is a fact that football has changed greatly over its lifespan, so "football is football" is not really accurate when looking over a certain time period.

They still have running plays
They still have passing plays
They still tackle

Sounds like it is still football as usual to me. :D
 
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