Video: Fair and balanced analysis of Dak Prescott

[Qcard]

And what limitations would those be? I always get a kick out of the QB experts that know that a 1st, 2nd, 3rd year QB doesn't improve.

Seems like the complaints have been footwork, reading defenses, anticipation, consistency on accuracy when pressured.

That list right there is a text book list of things QB's typically can improve upon with coaching, repetition, and experience.

Here is a list of things that you rarely see a QB improve on:

Leadership, clutch, work ethic, dual threat, toughness, intangibles, poise, durability, heart, competitiveness.

All these things Dak is already top notch at from day 1.

Its seems like the Romo cry babies have it all backwards. Its going to be a difficult year for the haters.

I have a feeling the narrative, like with Romo, will fade from individual statistics to "team accomplishments"

"they will never win a SB with Dak" "They will never beat Brady", "Daks salary will cripple the team" ect…...ect….

Saw it with Romo and it will be the same with the Dak trolls.

Great Post. Fair and Balanced

The Romo haters kept moving the bar. I believe Romo was poised for an MVP season with Zeke but Romo's back couldn't hold up to a regular NFL tackle.

I agree with Dak it will be the same. They'll die on the Dak hate island no matter what he does... if Cowboys with Dak QB1 win Superbowl, the Haters will claim it's the best team ever and Garrett is a genius...

 

[Kevinicus]

It doesn't explain why those young QB's aren't sitting atop all of those lists.





No, they're not. Here are the actual, unfudged, numbers:

https://www.pro-football-reference....toyear_3=2018&player_id3=PresDa01&idx=players



Sorry, the guy you're attempting to minimize has only been in the league 3 years.



Anyone else seeing this? The blatant hypocrisy being clearly shown here?

Someone who says that "using a 3 year sample size is foolhardy" and then trying to use a 1 year (2018) "sample size"?

You're just making things look worse and worse for you. You should just let it go and quit while you're behind.

You're clearly not understanding what is being talked about here.

Do you know what a trend is? Your link is not a trend. Trend involves change over time. Your link is just a compilation.

Yes, I'm minimizing he has only been in the league 3 years...The most recent 3 years as these numbers for QBs keep going up at a fast rate (Did you miss percy's post?). I'm also minimizing Wentz, Goff, Mahomes (and I guess Watson too). That's the logical thing to do.

If we want to go with your argument, then I guess Roger and Troy and Montana, and Elway, and Marino, and Unitas, etc. etc. all sucked. Have you seen their numbers?

2018 is today. 2018 is the most current. 2018 is where the current trend of increasing numbers (again, see percy's post) has brought us. Now, if it makes you feel better, you can take the combined 2016-2018 years and see where things go. Dak is still farther down that list than he is on the all-time list in those categories.

 

[Kevinicus]

Great Post. Fair and Balanced

The Romo haters kept moving the bar. I believe Romo was poised for an MVP season with Zeke but Romo's back couldn't hold up to a regular NFL tackle.

I agree with Dak it will be the same. They'll die on the Dak hate island no matter what he does... if Cowboys with Dak QB1 win Superbowl, the Haters will claim it's the best team ever and Garrett is a genius...

Which "regular NFL tackle" was that?

 

[pansophy]

Aikman certainly didn't mean that QB's cant improve from college with accuracy. Not his intention at all.

He actually did. He likes Dak but has also said that you'll have to live with some of the inaccuracy issues and that in his opinion guys are either accurate or they aren't. He referenced guys like Mahones who throws the ball from all kinds of crazy angles and is still very accurate, so in Aikman's opinion it isn't all about perfect mechanics.

By more of the same what do you mean? Pro bowls, playoffs, clutch QB play, game wining drives? That sort of thing?

On the one hand you say that young QBs all have areas they can improve on, but when I point out what some of things are you respond as if he is the best passer in the league. Dak had a pro bowl season his rookie year. He was not one of the top 2 QBs last year and was in the 'pro bowl' after several QBs ahead of him dropped out.

Dak does NOT have an accuracy problem. That has been overblown. What he has needed to work on was accuracy in certain situations when he is pressured and his mechanics have come into play. Or you could say consistency.

He does have an accuracy problem, but plays within himself and doesn't try to do things he can't do well. So he has done well on the passes he completes, but he absolutely has trouble throwing into tight windows. Two of his INTs last year were in the end zone to WRs who were wide open, but instead of darting the ball in he lobbed it so that he wouldn't miss the guy. Both times the CB was able to close the gap and intercept the ball. Actually watch the video and see how many passes down field he misses and how badly he misses them.

Having said all that Dak has a chance to put it all together this year. It definitely seemed like he was turning the corner at the end of the year. 3rd and long and red zone offense will be the sign -- many guys want to blame the play calling but both situations expose Dak's inaccuracy issues having to throw downfield and/or into tight windows.

So we'll see. If he is anywhere near as improved as people are saying from the OTAs we will be in good shape.

 

[Bizwah]

This was a pretty good video. Dak does have some issues with accuracy.

But when he gets rolling, he can put in on a dime. I think he relishes the end of game situation. It seems he really dials in when the game gets intense. That throw to Beasley against the Giants was beautiful.

 

[CowboyRoy]

He actually did. He likes Dak but has also said that you'll have to live with some of the inaccuracy issues and that in his opinion guys are either accurate or they aren't. He referenced guys like Mahones who throws the ball from all kinds of crazy angles and is still very accurate, so in Aikman's opinion it isn't all about perfect mechanics.

On the one hand you say that young QBs all have areas they can improve on, but when I point out what some of things are you respond as if he is the best passer in the league. Dak had a pro bowl season his rookie year. He was not one of the top 2 QBs last year and was in the 'pro bowl' after several QBs ahead of him dropped out.

He does have an accuracy problem, but plays within himself and doesn't try to do things he can't do well. So he has done well on the passes he completes, but he absolutely has trouble throwing into tight windows. Two of his INTs last year were in the end zone to WRs who were wide open, but instead of darting the ball in he lobbed it so that he wouldn't miss the guy. Both times the CB was able to close the gap and intercept the ball. Actually watch the video and see how many passes down field he misses and how badly he misses them.

Having said all that Dak has a chance to put it all together this year. It definitely seemed like he was turning the corner at the end of the year. 3rd and long and red zone offense will be the sign -- many guys want to blame the play calling but both situations expose Dak's inaccuracy issues having to throw downfield and/or into tight windows.

So we'll see. If he is anywhere near as improved as people are saying from the OTAs we will be in good shape.

What was that you said about tight window throws? Facts are stubborn things:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...matthew-stafford-among-top-10-tightwindow-qbs

What was that you said about Dak's deep passes? Facts are stubborn things:

https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/04/dak-prescott-accurate-deep-passers/

More exagerations and false claims. Best passer in the league? Yah right, show me where I said that.

Some inaccuracies is different then being inaccurate.

LOL...….so Mahones is MORE accurate? No kidding is that your point?

More hypercritical nonsense.

Dak's season will make another mockery out of the trolls.

You trolls are left to quip about Mahones and Brady.

The ONLY thing that YOU will have to get used to is another 5-7 years of Dak leading the frachise and making pro bowls.

ENJOY!!!

 

[xwalker]

I have no idea what those numbers mean. I see a 15 on the outer edge, is that yards down field? And what are the numbers in the bubbles?

I thought the diagram would be self-explanatory.

The numbers are QB rating.

The diagram divides the field into 6 areas:
Left: Less than 15 yards
Left: More than 15 yards
Middle: Less than 15 yards
Middle: More than 15 yards
Right: Less than 15 yards
Right: More than 15 yards

 

[xwalker]

The Season has already started. He's not a third year QB. He's a 4th year QB but whatever, I don't believe that I need a dictionary to help me understand the difference. He's not a third year guy.

Correct Sentence:
"Most rookie to 3rd year QBs improve as they get more experience."

Incorrect Sentence:
"Most rookie 3rd year QBs improve as they get more experience."

 

[CowboyRoy]

This was a pretty good video. Dak does have some issues with accuracy.

But when he gets rolling, he can put in on a dime. I think he relishes the end of game situation. It seems he really dials in when the game gets intense. That throw to Beasley against the Giants was beautiful.

So like any QB, Dak misses some throws? But when the game is on the line he is one of the best?

Yah, lets all complain about that one. LOL

More laughable troll nonsense.

 

[Stash]

You're clearly not understanding what is being talked about here.

Oh I understand quite clearly.

Do you know what a trend is? Your link is not a trend. Trend involves change over time. Your link is just a compilation.

"Trend" is just an easy place to attempt to hide clear bias. To cherry pick. And it also fails. If you want to focus on "trends", tell us how Prescott "trended" once he got a quality receiver in Amari Cooper?

It's OK, I don't expect an answer here.

Yes, I'm minimizing he has only been in the league 3 years...The most recent 3 years as these numbers for QBs keep going up at a fast rate (Did you miss percy's post?). I'm also minimizing Wentz, Goff, Mahomes (and I guess Watson too). That's the logical thing to do.

While trying to misrepresent a trend as more important? No, there nothing "logical" about that at all.

If we want to go with your argument, then I guess Roger and Troy and Montana, and Elway, and Marino, and Unitas, etc. etc. all sucked. Have you seen their numbers?

2018 is today. 2018 is the most current. 2018 is where the current trend of increasing numbers (again, see percy's post) has brought us. Now, if it makes you feel better, you can take the combined 2016-2018 years and see where things go. Dak is still farther down that list than he is on the all-time list in those categories.

It has nothing to do with feeling better, it has everything to do with being honest.

 

[InTheZone]

I thought the diagram would be self-explanatory.

The numbers are QB rating.

The diagram divides the field into 6 areas:
Left: Less than 15 yards
Left: More than 15 yards
Middle: Less than 15 yards
Middle: More than 15 yards
Right: Less than 15 yards
Right: More than 15 yards

Thanks. Didn't see qbr posted anywhere.

As for my V statement this might clear up what I said. Look at where the throws went, you can see a pattern. It can suggest multiple things, such as Dak is only comfortable throwing short, throwing outside towards sideline or can't consistently attack midfield. There may be other reasons but the pattern is there, regardless of whatever QBR is for each area.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/dallas-cowboys/season/week

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

His performance to date is from up to his 3rd year.

According to reports, that's what I hear but the problem is that until we actually see it, and more importantly, NFL teams see it, we are still going to see the same things. I mean, I hope Dak gets it down. I hope he does overcome his issues there and if he does, then I have no problem paying him 30 plus. To me, that's really all that's holding him back. He fixes that and he can win more then just a couple of Championships, with the right people.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Did you actually watch the video?

The guy says that Dak is backwards because he has the hard stuff down already but needs to improve his accuracy in small windows downfield, which he says can be improved by repetition. Most young QBs have the opposite problem, according to this guy, in that they have raw arm talent but can’t figure out the mental parts of the game that Dak already has down.

It’s okay to acknowledge that Dak has areas to improve on. He shows in video the blueprint the colts used to shut us down in week 15 by making Dak try to beat them over the top in man coverage. He couldn’t do it.

From OTA reports it sounds like this is an area Dak has improved on so maybe we will see Dak’s game really elevate this year if that’s true.

I thought the video had excellent analysis. He puts things into focus as to Dak's strengths and weaknesses. It's encouraging that his strengths are the mental side of the game -- reading defenses, protecting the ball. But that weakness of being inaccurate on the outside throws is a big one. So the million dollar question is will he improve in that area? If he gets better in that area, then we've got our man, no doubt. If not, then this team is living with a big limitation.

Do you believe he'll get better in that area?

 

[Kevinicus]

Oh I understand quite clearly.

This doesn't appear to be the case based on your comments. Sorry.

"Trend" is just an easy place to attempt to hide clear bias. To cherry pick. And it also fails. If you want to focus on "trends", tell us how Prescott "trended" once he got a quality receiver in Amari Cooper?

It's OK, I don't expect an answer here.

No, trend is a useful tool in analysis to see how players are progressing. Are they getting better? Are they getting worse? Are they more inconsistent? Are they just about the same? Etc. It is certainly not the end all be all, but it absolutely, without a doubt has value, and to ignore it is foolish.

And the short trend on Dak's numbers does trend better after Cooper. Hopefully, that turns into a long term trend.

While trying to misrepresent a trend as more important? No, there nothing "logical" about that at all.

Never did that. It was a caveat. A note to acknowledge that there is a decent chance...should the trend continue, that they would not only be towards the top of the list when they got enough attempts, but that they would be above Dak. It is extremely logical.

It has nothing to do with feeling better, it has everything to do with being honest.

And I have been nothing but honest. Are you honest enough to admit that the sample size is small? Are you honest enough to admit that the game changes over time and the stats for QBs overall continues to rise, especially in more recent years? Are you honest enough to admit that Dak being farther down the QB list in those rankings in just the years he has played than he would be on the all-time list kind of showcases the point that using the all-time list is not a very good guage for these things?

Do you realize that 19 of the top 30 on the all-time list are active players, and the vast majority of the remaining 30 are relatively recently retired (Romo, Manning, Warner, etc.)?

I mean, we can say, Chad Pennington is the all-time Dolphins leader in passer rating, and we can say Ryan Tanehill is 2nd all-time. Clearly, they are so much better than Dan Marino. Or, we can be honest, and recognize that the game changes, the eras are different, and the pure numbers look better for more recent QBs.

 

[InTheZone]

tell us how Prescott "trended" once he got a quality receiver in Amari Cooper?

It's OK, I don't expect an answer here.

Had our first shutout since Quincy Carter, just saying.

 

[kskboys]

Except everyone that has watched him in practice say the opposite. He is no longer throwing knuckleballs or overthrows.

A ton of misinformation is being passed around this board about Dak. I finally got to where I just ignored it because it was so lame.

This vid brings out the reasoning behind a lot of what people are seeing and are mislabeling.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Correct Sentence:
"Most rookie to 3rd year QBs improve as they get more experience."

Incorrect Sentence:
"Most rookie 3rd year QBs improve as they get more experience."

Is he a Rookie? Is he a third year QB? What's your point?

You wanna defend Roy, that's fine with me but you aren't going to hold my interest in a word smithing discussion.

 

[speedkilz88]

 

[Stash]

Had our first shutout since Quincy Carter, just saying.

True, but that was one game in a bigger sample size. But they do need to counter against the way the Colts played them and were able to shut them down.

 

[pansophy]

What was that you said about tight window throws? Facts are stubborn things:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...matthew-stafford-among-top-10-tightwindow-qbs

What was that you said about Dak's deep passes? Facts are stubborn things:

https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/04/dak-prescott-accurate-deep-passers/

More exagerations and false claims. Best passer in the league? Yah right, show me where I said that.

Some inaccuracies is different then being inaccurate.

LOL...….so Mahones is MORE accurate? No kidding is that your point?

More hypercritical nonsense.

Dak's season will make another mockery out of the trolls.

You trolls are left to quip about Mahones and Brady.

The ONLY thing that YOU will have to get used to is another 5-7 years of Dak leading the frachise and making pro bowls.

ENJOY!!!

Don't mistake statistics that are subject to interpretation for facts. Does that stat really reflect accuracy, or does it just reflect who has to throw to WRs that are unable to get much separation. If you watch the actual video that is the source of this thread you'll see that he has been in accurate on specific kinds of throws downfield that is having a big impact on how defenses are playing him. He is compensating by making throws he is good.

Don't mistake his ability to stick with what he does well with being an accurate passer.