Garrett’s strengths and weaknesses-Can he improve as a HC?

Typhus

Captain Catfish
Messages
19,558
Reaction score
22,450
No he has hit his ceiling. But Moore can take control of the Offense and Richard the Defense and can make him look less predictable.
The true question will be control.
Does Garrett have true autonomy, does Garrett posses total control over his coordinators, or will Stephen or Jerry recognize the power play at the appropriate time, if and when Garrett begins to initiate his personal agenda.. conspiracy? Some will say that,, but I can see that very scenario looming, even if its at the expense of this teams success.
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
29,956
Reaction score
29,842
The true question will be control.
Does Garrett have true autonomy, does Garrett posses total control over his coordinators, or will Stephen or Jerry recognize the power play at the appropriate time, if and when Garrett begins to initiate his personal agenda.. conspiracy? Some will say that,, but I can see that very scenario looming, even if its at the expense of this teams success.
I think if the Offense doesn’t produce the way JG wants then there could be a issue where JG will want the power to over ride the playcall. I think he had taken that control over Linehan at one point. JG now has to trust in the process Moore is trying to establish. Lol

I don’t think there will be a huge change in our Offense other than more motion and different ways they line up to call some of the same plays. If Moore is smart he won’t put to much on the players to have to learn. They have to execute the plays without drawing flags.
 

Typhus

Captain Catfish
Messages
19,558
Reaction score
22,450
I think if the Offense doesn’t produce the way JG wants then there could be a issue where JG will want the power to over ride the playcall. I think he had taken that control over Linehan at one point. JG now has to trust in the process Moore is trying to establish. Lol

I don’t think there will be a huge change in our Offense other than more motion and different ways they line up to call some of the same plays. If Moore is smart he won’t put to much on the players to have to learn. They have to execute the plays without drawing flags.
Exactly on point about the motion, and fans will be immediately attracted to that aspect.
A full motion offensive scheme has to be orchestrated much like a precision symphony, every note has to be perfect or its a failure.
Much more at stake to truly execute Moores scheme effectively, coaching is at an all time imperative this season offensively.
 

Diehardblues

Well-Known Member
Messages
55,143
Reaction score
36,328
I don't think Jerry hinders him nearly like the Garrett fans claim. Jerry certainly wasn't the one botching clock management like in the vid I posted earlier or against the Cards when he Ice Iced Bailey. Execute just average clock management to win either of those games and we're in the playoffs. Instead, the Garrett fans get to claim this narrative that those three 8-8 teams were maxed out win-wise.

And do you really think Garrett would have disciplined Greg Hardy when he slapped the clipboard out of that coach's hand? No way. Nothing about Garrett's personality suggests that.

Besides, you give Garrett credit for the roster, culture, etc. So he obviously isn't as powerless as you claim.
I didn’t give Garrett credit for the roster , etc. I gave him credit for the influence in a better culture. And I credited a collaborative effort in building a more talented roster.

You only quoted a part of my post. It’s all about influencing Jerry to go against his instincts. That doesn’t mean you have the power to win all of those arguments.

And if you’ve noticed I’ve focused on Garretts positive influence and contributions not his coaching ability which isn’t his strength asset he brings to our organization.

But I’ll take the good with the bad since I don’t believe we can resolve our concerns with normal solutions.
 

glimmerman

Well-Known Member
Messages
29,956
Reaction score
29,842
Exactly on point about the motion, and fans will be immediately attracted to that aspect.
A full motion offensive scheme has to be orchestrated much like a precision symphony, every note has to be perfect or its a failure.
Much more at stake to truly execute Moores scheme effectively, coaching is at an all time imperative this season offensively.
If Moore could help produce 3 or 5 points per game more than last season and get some of the red zone problems fixed. Which if he helps the red zone problem then the points per game will fix itself. This Offense will be much improved. Am guessing Moore might use Daks legs more than Linehan did. Maybe more designed rollouts. I certainly don’t want him running the ball to much. If he gets injured we don’t have much backing him up.
 

ArtClink

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,347
Reaction score
3,453
Kellen Moore is the wildcard. We hope he has off coordinator talent, but we have no idea if he is up for the challenge. His predicessor was so bad, Moore has to be an upgrade. Hopefully Moore will blow our tendancies and mk us as unpredicable as Saints & Rams.
 

xwalker

Well-Known Member
Messages
56,925
Reaction score
64,354
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
As we near the 2019 season, hope for us Cowboys fans is high. And it is not unfounded. This year’s roster is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball. We may have the most talent we’ve had since the 90s.

We start 2019 with Jason Garrett entering his 9th full season as head coach of the Cowboys. Only 5 other current NFL head coaches have a longer tenure: Bill Belichick, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh and Pete Carroll. All 5 of those HCs have won a Super Bowl. Garrett does have a decent record, at 77-59 and has won 3 NFC East divisional titles. But it’s the playoffs where he has struggled.

Jason Garrett has some strengths. There’s no way you can have a winning record as a HC over nearly a decade without having some strengths. IMO, here are Garrett’s strengths as a HC:
  • He motivates his teams to play hard. I’ve never seen a Garrett team just quit.
  • He is a decent judge of talent. Garrett has to be given some credit for increasing the talent level here since he became HC.
  • He has a consistent model of team processes. We laugh at his “process” but he is consistent with how he prepares his team, using most of the stuff used by Nick Saban.
  • He does not make excuses. Unlike his boss, Garrett doesn’t blame injuries or make other excuses like blaming the refs for losses.
  • He somehow manages to get decent results with the most meddlesome owner in sports.
With those strengths also come his weaknesses. In fact, if Garrett cannot improve some of these areas of weakness, I believe we have probably seen all we will ever see from his teams. Here are his weaknesses:
  • A lack of adaptability. Garrett’s greatest weakness is his inability to adjust on the fly, either in game or even in season. This is what has killed us in the playoffs.
  • Stubborn adherence to his schemes and philosophies, even when they don’t work. He will stick to a game plan or player even when it’s getting pummeled. (See Atlanta, 2017, or rams playoff game last year)
  • He is a poor in game manager. We have seen this over and over since 2010. He consistently does not manage the clock, timeouts, or situational decisions well. This is another area that can absolutely kill you in the playoffs. (See GB playoff loss in 2016)
  • He is not creative. Being creative with schemes and use of personnel is critical in today’s game. Because of the salary cap, talent margins among all teams is much thinner than in the 90s. Creativity is a major skill needed in today’s game.
As a whole, Jason Garrett is a better than average NFL HC, as his record indicates. But if we are going to ever see what we all hope as Cowboys fans- that we finally at least have another deep playoff run, then those consistent problems with adaptability, creativity and in-game management must change. Without those changes, we may have gone as far as we can with Garrett.

Can Garrett improve in these areas? Your thoughts?

Wrong question.

Better question: Can the Cowboys hire a better Head Coach than Jason Garrett ?

Obviously that means better for the Cowboys which includes working with Jerry as the owner.

It also means can they get a better Offensive or Defensive Coordinator if they hire a Head Coach that is an Offensive or Defensive guru?
 

Idgit

Fattening up
Staff member
Messages
58,971
Reaction score
60,826
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Point being, we start off as a hot mess in the first quarter many times. False starts, wrong personnel, and wasting TOs. If you can't acknowledge that you are watching with your homer glasses on. We all realize the cowboys organization can do no wrong in your eyes. That's fine, but don't call me a liar, maybe it's time to check your staff member badge at the door, because as usual, you're wrong.

You’re pulling things out of your butt. If you have evidence to show we’re underperforming the rest of the league early in games, consistently, I’m happy to take a look.

And I didn’t call you a liar. I said you believe something that isn’t true. I don’t think you’re lying. I think you don’t require much evidence to believe something is right or wrong. You go with what feels right.

Saying that I think the Cowboys organization “can do no wrong in my eyes” is another example of this. It’s demonstrably wrong. There are plenty of posts that make this obvious. You don’t care, because being accurate about the things you believe clearly isn’t all that important to you. That’s fine. A lot of people operate that way. It just means your assessment of situations is more likely to be based off of your feelings than it is off of what’s really going on.
 

Idgit

Fattening up
Staff member
Messages
58,971
Reaction score
60,826
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Well, 3 kinds of people still support Garrett

1. Stupid and ignorant people

2. People who know he’s incompetent but aren’t willing to admit it publicly because they have told everybody ‘they know football’ and have supported Garrett and will look foolish (although they don’t realize they look foolish anyway)

3. Garrett’s mother

I don’t know you personally so I assumed you were Garrett’s mother but if you’re not, my apologies, and you can let us know which of #1 or #2 you are

Cool. What I said earlier still stands if and when you’re capable of having a sensible conversation.
 

Bobhaze

Staff member
Messages
16,412
Reaction score
62,474
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Kellen Moore is the wildcard. We hope he has off coordinator talent, but we have no idea if he is up for the challenge. His predicessor was so bad, Moore has to be an upgrade. Hopefully Moore will blow our tendancies and mk us as unpredicable as Saints & Rams.
One of the most interesting questions of the season: How much freedom does Kellen Moore have?
 

Fire407

Well-Known Member
Messages
596
Reaction score
517
Shorter: Garrett collects good players and helps develop them only to set them up to lose on the field with poor scheme and poor game management.

Garrett screws the team with game management, year in, year out, because he thinks there's nothing to improve. He believes his early press as Ivy League Football Prodigy despite engaging in coaching malpractice, and defending his malpractice after it blows up in our faces.

2016 playoff game. Maybe we should have paid more attention to *not* giving the ball back to Rogers? Nah! "You have to focus on that next score first".

Next year we lose to Rogers again, giving him the ball back with too much time on the clock again. Maybe we should have paid more attention to *not* giving the ball back to Rogers? Nah! "You have to focus on that next score first".

No, you actually have to maximize your chance to win the game, you dolt, not maximize your chance to get the next score. He's convinced as a matter of strategic dogma of something idiotic. Of course we lose. And of course he'll never change. He's convinced he's right on dogmatic grounds impervious to reality telling him he's wrong year after year after year.
We get Green Bay at home again this year. If something similar with the Rodgers comebacks happen again, then Garrett should be fired right after the clock expires.
 

Fire407

Well-Known Member
Messages
596
Reaction score
517
Why would I save the big picture stuff?!? The big picture stuff is what matters.

We both know for a fact the Cowboys teams from 2010-2013 were not remotely close to talented enough to win an NFL championship. Expecting any HC to win a title those seasons is foolishness. From 2014 on we’ve had a contending team. Three division titles. Two different staring QBs. Most wins in the NFC since Dak took over...Dak, who most of us admit is not really an elite QB. An NFL CotY award. And probably his best team yet heading into 2019. Time hasn’t exposed Jason Garrett. Time has proven he actually knows what he’s doing.
So you think he has done an above average job of coaching and that no one would have done better with the rosters we've had. I disagree. I think that ANY coach would have done at least as good as Garrett and a good coach would have a Lombardi or two by now.
 

PA Cowboy Fan

Well-Known Member
Messages
24,587
Reaction score
49,796
We get Green Bay at home again this year. If something similar with the Rodgers comebacks happen again, then Garrett should be fired right after the clock expires.
And it will happen again. I have no doubt on that one.
 

Idgit

Fattening up
Staff member
Messages
58,971
Reaction score
60,826
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
So you think he has done an above average job of coaching and that no one would have done better with the rosters we've had. I disagree. I think that ANY coach would have done at least as good as Garrett and a good coach would have a Lombardi or two by now.

I didn’t say those things.

I do happen to think he’s done an above average job, and that’s supported pretty obviously by the teams’ winning more games than any other team in the NFC over the last three seasons and the winning three of five division titles. It’s pretty hard to make a serious argument otherwise.

I don’t think he’s done a better job coaching the Cowboys in recent years than *anyone* could. But that was never the question.

I think it’s literaly absurd to believe that ANY coach would do as well as Garrett has over this span. And almost as absurd to believe we’ve had two Superbowl championship teams in Dallas in recent years if only for the coaching. In my opinion, you’d have to be a blind homer to overrate the talent on this team that badly relative to all the other teams in the league during that same span.
 

noshame

I'm not dead yet......
Messages
13,609
Reaction score
11,726
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
You’re pulling things out of your butt. If you have evidence to show we’re underperforming the rest of the league early in games, consistently, I’m happy to take a look.

And I didn’t call you a liar. I said you believe something that isn’t true. I don’t think you’re lying. I think you don’t require much evidence to believe something is right or wrong. You go with what feels right.

Saying that I think the Cowboys organization “can do no wrong in my eyes” is another example of this. It’s demonstrably wrong. There are plenty of posts that make this obvious. You don’t care, because being accurate about the things you believe clearly isn’t all that important to you. That’s fine. A lot of people operate that way. It just means your assessment of situations is more likely to be based off of your feelings than it is off of what’s really going on.
Seriously , you don't actually watch the games do you.

That's not fair maybe you do watch, you simply don't understand.
It's ok, carry on with the pom poms .
 

Idgit

Fattening up
Staff member
Messages
58,971
Reaction score
60,826
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
Seriously , you don't actually watch the games do you.

That's not fair maybe you do watch, you simply don't understand.
It's ok, carry on with the pom poms .

Seriously, you don’t read my posts, do you? Or maybe that’s not fair, and you simply don’t understand them. I’m not sure. I’m critical of a lot of things this team does. I just don’t think our issues are primarily with the head coach. But that’s ok, too. Carry on with the complaining about all the stuff you haven’t bothered to think through properly.
 

HungryLion

Well-Known Member
Messages
26,533
Reaction score
60,409
I don’t think it’s a question of blame.

I think it’s hard assembling a world championship roster. It’s a competitive league.

When we don’t advance, though, it’s typically because of an execution breakdown. 36 yards on third and long from Rodgers to Cook rings some bells.

Coming out flat for the start of that game also rings some bells.
 
Top