Marinelli’s DT< NT

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Marinelli needs to watch Playoff game against the Rams and get a reality check. His defense was trash and DT were non existent, that whole squad choked like a little *****.

We need a true NT if this team ever wants to make it to NFC championship let alone win the SB.

 

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Marinelli is poor at developing DTs , Jerry Jones need to be scouting for a NT after roster cut or acquire one via trade for mid round pick. (Chicago Bears)

 

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Marinelli needs to watch Playoff game against the Rams and get a reality check. His defense was trash and DT were non existent, that whole squad choked like a little *****.

We need a true NT if this team ever wants to make it to NFC championship let alone win the SB.



The Rams won with their blocking scheme.

Switch defensive rosters with the Pats and the Pats still win and the Cowboys still lose those playoff games.
 

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if we need a true NT (and what determines a true NT?) doe that mean that we also need to change the DL coach that apparently does not care for the traditional, true NT in his DL ?
 

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if we need a true NT (and what determines a true NT?) doe that mean that we also need to change the DL coach that apparently does not care for the traditional, true NT in his DL ?
Marinelli is the DC who doubles as the DL coach, and he needs to be overruled.
 

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Ironically, contrary to what many still believe, Marinelli only holds the title of DC, but his sole responsibility is the front four, while Richard actually calls the defensive signals and takes responsibility for the back seven ,..the LBs and secondary. During the rams game, we saw Richards getting in the face of the LBs,.. not Marinelli.
anything that goes down on the defensive side of the ball- all eyes point towards

As far as the DT role goes, Rod has always more preferred movement over bulk. Which is not unusual, as Jimmie Johnson's DT was the same. He didn't want DT that just take up space, (ala Freddie Gilbert, GB) he wanted his DTs moving and penetrating. and if you think about Jimmies DTs ( Lett, Maryland, Casillas, henning, jones) were actually even lesser bulk than the current Marinelli DTs (Woods, Collins) who are in the 310 pound range.

Interesting enough, reports were at draft time that the Cowboys were seriously considering mammoth DT Vita Vea (Bucs) and even at 330+ pounds the Cowboys brass considered him a 1 tech that had 3- tech traits, the " quick-twitch " as I've heard the Marinelli term called.

Imo, if you can find the smaller DT that plays stronger than what his size suggest, then i'm all for it, If you keep finding your 1 techs and 3 techs still getting wipe out vs the run (especially on the Road!!) as well as we keep rolling with these just decent/ok 1 techs every other year (Hayden, McClain, Paea, Thorton, Woods, etc. etc) then we are going to remain limited and it's only a matter of time before it comes back to hurt us. (ala Indy, Rams-playoff game)
That's not going to change until we change the preference of the DL coach, as I see it.
 

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Ironically, contrary to what many still believe, Marinelli only holds the title of DC, but his sole responsibility is the front four, while Richard actually calls the defensive signals and takes responsibility for the back seven ,..the LBs and secondary. During the rams game, we saw Richards getting in the face of the LBs,.. not Marinelli.
anything that goes down on the defensive side of the ball- all eyes point towards

As far as the DT role goes, Rod has always more preferred movement over bulk. Which is not unusual, as Jimmie Johnson's DT was the same. He didn't want DT that just take up space, (ala Freddie Gilbert, GB) he wanted his DTs moving and penetrating. and if you think about Jimmies DTs ( Lett, Maryland, Casillas, henning, jones) were actually even lesser bulk than the current Marinelli DTs (Woods, Collins) who are in the 310 pound range.

Interesting enough, reports were at draft time that the Cowboys were seriously considering mammoth DT Vita Vea (Bucs) and even at 330+ pounds the Cowboys brass considered him a 1 tech that had 3- tech traits, the " quick-twitch " as I've heard the Marinelli term called.

Imo, if you can find the smaller DT that plays stronger than what his size suggest, then i'm all for it, If you keep finding your 1 techs and 3 techs still getting wipe out vs the run (especially on the Road!!) as well as we keep rolling with these just decent/ok 1 techs every other year (Hayden, McClain, Paea, Thorton, Woods, etc. etc) then we are going to remain limited and it's only a matter of time before it comes back to hurt us. (ala Indy, Rams-playoff game)
That's not going to change until we change the preference of the DL coach, as I see it.
Yes, however, Jimmy did the one thing that allows you to get by w/o that size in the middle: Acquire a pack of talented DT's. He kept them fresh. He also continuously drafted them. Heck, Jimmie Jones would've started for the majority of NFL teams.
 

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Yes, however, Jimmy did the one thing that allows you to get by w/o that size in the middle: Acquire a pack of talented DT's. He kept them fresh. He also continuously drafted them. Heck, Jimmie Jones would've started for the majority of NFL teams.

You need size in the playoffs, especially in the NFC.
 

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The Lions gave up a 5th for Snacks Harrison which was a steal, and here we are with our lunch pail guys.

And they signed CJ Anderson in the offseason and we play them again this year. Hope we can break the curse.

Someone is gonna be available, a lot of hidden talent always get cut. I have more optimism since Dallas scouting department has been coming through with recent drafts.
 

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Someone is gonna be available, a lot of hidden talent always get cut. I have more optimism since Dallas scouting department has been coming through with recent drafts.

frankly I'm not the least worried about CJ Anderson who was a fat out of work RB off the street. The problem was we couldn't get our DTs off the blocks of the Rams OL.
Note how all those gigantic holes and lanes were totally cogged up when the Rams played both Saints and Patriots. Rams RBs made ineffective then.
Personally we really need some newcomers who will change the dynamics of the starting DTs. i'd hope it'd only be a matter of time before Hill breaks into the starting lineup over oft injured Maliek Collins.
I'm very much hoping Covington is a pleasant surprise candidate that can actually overtake Woods role.

But we clearly struggle vs the run while On the Road is several games in '19. .. and it came to the biggest blow vs the Rams. I don't want to have to await and go thru that all over again.
 

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You need size in the playoffs, especially in the NFC.

Not that simple, though I'm sure you weren't saying that all the Cowboys have to do is plug in some 330 lb DT in the game and it's instant success.

The Rams starting DTs in the 2019 playoff game were 320 and 300 lbs, total 620 lbs. Dallas' starters, Woods and Collins were 312 and 308, total 620 lbs. Gee, same difference. And 320 is 8 lbs more than Woods, I hardly think 8 lbs is a huge difference maker.

The best DT in the league right now, by most sites, is Aaron Donald, 6-1 and 280 lbs, by NFL.com. Gee, how come the Rams don't get blown out in the running game? Some here wanted Suh, he's 313 lbs, one more than Woods. Whoopee.

Point is size is nice, BUT you have to have more than size, no point in putting a 330 lb lump out there who can't run 2 feet in less than 2 seconds, they just run past him.

Of course it's easier to find a heavyweight than a Donald, no question. But I don't think the Cowboys' DTs are just too light to do the job, coaching probably has more to do with lack of playoff success than lack of size on the DL...
 

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The Lions gave up a 5th for Snacks Harrison which was a steal, and here we are with our lunch pail guys.

And they signed CJ Anderson in the offseason and we play them again this year. Hope we can break the curse.

I betcha a mere 5th round pick would've never been a factor with the cowboys.
If anything,other factors it would have been:

1 Snack is an not marinelli type 1.tech
2 cowboys were not going to take on his existing salary
3 hes into his 30s years now, and Stephen is committed more to youth.
 

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I think we all better get comfortable with the fact that nickel defense is base, and nickel does not use a NT. If Dallas was running a defense with a NT against LAR's S11, they'd get thrown on at will.

NTs, like blocking FBs are dead.
 

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Marinelli needs to watch Playoff game against the Rams and get a reality check. His defense was trash and DT were non existent, that whole squad choked like a little *****.

We need a true NT if this team ever wants to make it to NFC championship let alone win the SB.


To be fair....




We did lose Antwuan Woods that game
 

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Not that simple, though I'm sure you weren't saying that all the Cowboys have to do is plug in some 330 lb DT in the game and it's instant success.

The Rams starting DTs in the 2019 playoff game were 320 and 300 lbs, total 620 lbs. Dallas' starters, Woods and Collins were 312 and 308, total 620 lbs. Gee, same difference. And 320 is 8 lbs more than Woods, I hardly think 8 lbs is a huge difference maker.

The best DT in the league right now, by most sites, is Aaron Donald, 6-1 and 280 lbs, by NFL.com. Gee, how come the Rams don't get blown out in the running game? Some here wanted Suh, he's 313 lbs, one more than Woods. Whoopee.

Point is size is nice, BUT you have to have more than size, no point in putting a 330 lb lump out there who can't run 2 feet in less than 2 seconds, they just run past him.

Of course it's easier to find a heavyweight than a Donald, no question. But I don't think the Cowboys' DTs are just too light to do the job, coaching probably has more to do with lack of playoff success than lack of size on the DL...
Rams actually had a poor rush defense last year. Was a serious failure on our part not to be able to exploit it
 
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