Where does Dak Prescott rank among QBs in NFL?

ghst187

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How would you rank Dak Prescott among the better QBs in the NFL ?

(in my book)
1 Tom Brady NE
2 Pat Mahomes KC
3 Aaron Rodgers GB
4 Drew Brees NO
5 Russell Wilson Sea
6 Jared Goff LARa
7 Matt Ryan ATL
8 Phillip Rivers LAC
9 Carlson Wentz Phil
10 Andrew Luck Indy
11 Ben Roesthlisberger Pitt
12 Deshaun Watson Hou
13 DAK PRESCOTT Dal * *
14 Matthew Stafford Det
15 Baker Mayfield Clev
16 Derek Carr Oak
17 Cam Newton Car
18 Mitch Trubisky Chic
19 Nick Foles Jax
20 Kirk Cousins Minn

Technically there are probably 10 QBs or so better than Dak, but if I need to win a playoff game there are only about 6-7 guys I take over Dak...Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roth, Luck, Mahomes, and give it a year or two maybe Mayfield. Also, notice only 3 of those I named are on the right side of youth the rest are twilighting. A lot of guys like Wilson, Stanford, Ryan, Rivers, Goff, Wentz, May better better pure passers but I don’t like them over Dak because I consider them either overrated, oft injured, chokers, or just generally not the leader and overall winner Dak is. When the game is on the line I just always feel like Dak will pull it out. Can Atlanta fans say that? San Diego? JMO.
 

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I'd consider the following QBs on my list

Jonathon Moxon
Shane Falco
Willie Beamen
Seth Maxwell
Frank Cushman
Ronnie “Sunshine” Bass
Paul Blake

The following QBs have too many issues

Lance Harbor is always hurt
Bo Callahan has questions about his toughness and leadership
Jimmy Dix has attitude problems and drug issues

I might take a flyer on "Bird" who was young and seemed to be pointed in the right direction after some early trouble with the law
Shane Falco is the goat
 

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How many starting QB's got signed for a long term deal this off-season and who are they? Before the 2018 off-season, who would've thought that QB's like Cousins or Garoppolo would set the "average QB" market in the upper 20's (Cousin's is like close to or at $29M)? Who would've thought that Wilson would be making $35M a year average in his deal to be the highest paid QB? Is he worth it being paid that much? Sure. That's the market. In the 2020 offseason, don't be surprised if a very good QB gets a $36-37M contract.

Cap goin' up, so contracts goin' up. It would be nice if they were all like Brees or Brady.

Getting a quality QB like Dak for $25M was a pipe dream. He ain't 40 years old chasing his 2nd Lombardi at all costs or 41 year old QB with 6 rings, and a multi-millionaire wife, that's trying to hang around the league as long as his wizard coach keeps conjuring HFA playoff trips...

True or not, the original statement made was inaccurate. I mean, I can't seriously believe you are arguing that point with me. Was the statement correct or not? It's yes or no.
 

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Possibly all the way down to 27 huh? You have journeymen, guys that throw as many INTs as TDs, has beens and never were's ahead of him do you?
I have him ahead of Keenum, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins, the Bengals' Ginger, Winston, Mariota, Rosen, Fitzpatrick, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and a few others
 

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My post was in English so it is totally understandable that you couldn’t comprehend it

Oh, I comprehended. You said those guys are better than Dak but can't win as much as Dak because they don't have a good head coach. Accordingly, you have to be saying Dak does have a good head coach - good enough in fact to allow Dak to win more than those guys despite not being as good.

If you dispute that and instead claim Dak also has a bad coach then you are defeating your argument.
 

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Oh, I comprehended. You said those guys are better than Dak but can't win as much as Dak because they don't have a good head coach. Accordingly, you have to be saying Dak does have a good head coach - good enough in fact to allow Dak to win more than those guys despite not being as good.

If you dispute that and instead claim Dak also has a bad coach then you are defeating your argument.

There was a time when they taught reading comprehension is school

Must be before your time

Show mommy my post and ask her to help you
 

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1) Brady
2) Mahomes
3) Brees
4) Rodgers
5) Wentz
6) Luck
7) Rivers
8) Goff
9) Stafford
10) Ryan
11) Roethlisberger
12) Garoppolo
13) Wilson
14) Carr
15) Mayfield
16) Cousins
17) Foles
18) Manning
19) Flacco
20) Trubisky
21) Newton
22) Watson
23) Prescott
24) Mariota
25) Darnold
26) Keenum
27) Allen
28) Jackson
29) Winston
30) Dalton
31) Rosen
32) Murray
 

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I don't understand the "Dak is a winner" mantra. Last year, when the Cowboys gave up a future first rounder for Coop, that pick looked like a top 10 pick. The team played much better after they got Cooper. The year before, Zeke was out and the team played better with him than without him. Since Dak has been QB, the team is 2-8 when the team gives up more than 24 points and 30-7 when they give up 24 or less (for reference Drew Brees won 8 games were his team gave up 24 over that stretch).

Basically, factors outside of Dak determine the outcome of games. He is a bus driver type that isn't going to lose you the game but if the rest of the team performs poorly (Rams game), Dak isn't saving you. If you look through the game log, the defensive performance is really what determines wins and losses.
 

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Not exactly true.

The three years of defensive play under Prescott have been better than just one year(2009) during Romo's entire career.

Romo started 10 years and only one year the defense was better than what Prescott has received, that's huge.

I'm telling you, Prescott has been quite fortunate. If Prescott had the defense Romo had during his career we wouldn't be having discussions about a new contract. The discussion would be about the "next" QB.

Your comment was that Dak has enjoyed a top 5 defense while leading a middle of the pack offense. My response was directed to that, not to how it compares to Romo's situation.

In any case, Romo played the first 4 seasons he started with defenses that were easily in line with the defenses Dak's first 3 years - mostly middle of the pack, with one very good season. Yes, Dak, had the benefit of a much better defense last year than the 1st two, but Romo had the benefit of the 2nd best scoring defense in the NFL in his 4th season.

As for the defensive drop off in 2010 and beyond, you can't compare that to Dak's situation, because he has only played 3 years, whereas Romo at that time was getting into his 5th year and beyond.
 

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I don't understand the "Dak is a winner" mantra. Last year, when the Cowboys gave up a future first rounder for Coop, that pick looked like a top 10 pick. The team played much better after they got Cooper. The year before, Zeke was out and the team played better with him than without him. Since Dak has been QB, the team is 2-8 when the team gives up more than 24 points and 30-7 when they give up 24 or less (for reference Drew Brees won 8 games were his team gave up 24 over that stretch).

Basically, factors outside of Dak determine the outcome of games. He is a bus driver type that isn't going to lose you the game but if the rest of the team performs poorly (Rams game), Dak isn't saving you. If you look through the game log, the defensive performance is really what determines wins and losses.
Excellent post overall, but the bolded part isn't always true -- he darn near lost us the Saints game despite the defense playing out of their minds
 

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There was a time when they taught reading comprehension is school

Must be before your time

Show mommy my post and ask her to help you

As I would expect from you, insults but no content. Explain what I said that was incorrect, otherwise you are just acting like a butthurt child trying to cover for what you said.
 

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Watson 12th??? :huh:


1 Tom Brady NE
2 Aaron Rodgers GB
3 Drew Brees NO
4 Pat Mahomes KC
5 Russell Wilson Sea
6 Jared Goff LARa
7 Matt Ryan ATL
8 Phillip Rivers LAC
9 Ben Roesthlisberger Pitt
10 Matthew Stafford Det
11 Baker Mayfield Clev
12 Carlson Wentz Phil
13 Andrew Luck Indy
14 Derek Carr Oak
15 Cam Newton Car
16 DAK PRESCOTT Dal * *
17 Deshaun Watson Hou
18 Mitch Trubisky Chic
19 Nick Foles Jax
20 Kirk Cousins Minn
 

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and a horrible washed up/injured Oline that year

They did have 2 O-Linemen that made the Pro-Bowl that year, and another that had made the Pro-Bowl the 3 previous years ...

But sure there are other factors that play into the success of the team, but the comment I was responding did not purport to cover all factors, and I was only responding to the comment as it was presented. And as it was presented it was false to say Romo only had one year playing with a defense that was as good as any of the defenses since Dak has been QB.

Dak has only had one season with a top defense himself, and just as with Romo in 2009 there were mitigating circumstances that year (last year) in that Frederick went down, they had virtually no experience at TE and they had a very shallow WR group before acquiring Cooper mid season. Romo, on the other hand, in 2009 had a strong running game and a very good group of receivers, including two 1,000+ yard receivers.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that Dak is a better QB than Romo. I don't think he is. But I do think we should be fair when making comparisons, and I don't think the post I responded to was fair.
 

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1 Tom Brady NE
2 Aaron Rodgers GB
3 Drew Brees NO
4 Pat Mahomes KC
5 Russell Wilson Sea
6 Jared Goff LARa
7 Matt Ryan ATL
8 Phillip Rivers LAC
9 Ben Roesthlisberger Pitt
10 Matthew Stafford Det
11 Baker Mayfield Clev
12 Carlson Wentz Phil
13 Andrew Luck Indy
14 Derek Carr Oak
15 Cam Newton Car
16 DAK PRESCOTT Dal * *
17 Deshaun Watson Hou
18 Mitch Trubisky Chic
19 Nick Foles Jax
20 Kirk Cousins Minn

To me this isn't an out of line list, however I would say that the guys listed from 10-20 could reasonably be put in almost any order. Regarding Dak, I think a person could reasonably put him as high as 11-12 or as low as 18.
 

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To me this isn't an out of line list, however I would say that the guys listed from 10-20 could reasonably be put in almost any order. Regarding Dak, I think a person could reasonably put him as high as 11-12 or as low as 18.
also he completely left out Jimmy G. Wilson is way overrated and way too high. All he does is scramble around and take sacks. Not that far off from Dak tbh just a lot higher than him because of the SB ring his defense carried him to.
 

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Constructive criticism is not ripping a quarterback. It was just the first game I saw him play where he was totally out of sync. The Patriots rattled him consistently. I can't wait to see what happens this season. Will he grow from it.
So Mahomes gets criticized for being "rattled" by a Belichick defense as a first year starter in a conference championship game while throwing for more yards, more td's and a higher rating then Dak did in his playoff loss at the end of his third full year as a starter.

Mahomes gets blame while Dak gets praise.

If Dak had put up the same numbers as rattled Mahomes did the Cowboys win.

There isn't a coach or GM on the planet that wouldn't take Mahomes over Dak.

Come on man.
 

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I guess I just understand the game more than most. I'm tired of eating my words in the first second third quarter. Only come the fourth quarter and he's brilliant. That's when bowl games are won and lost. Go Cowboys
This is why I don't rank him higher. If He was dominatevor even slightly capable then he wouldn't have to be so great in 4th quarter. What's wrong with 35-14 scores
 

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Didn't I say that. If the defense doesn't show up, Dallas loses. The reason I say that is because the offense is not good enough to overcome bad defensive performances.

Prescott is a winner when all falls into place. Prescott will truly be a "winner" when everything fails and Dallas still wins.

When Prescott can put the offense on his shoulders and carry it by himself. This is what makes all elite top QBs. The ability to be the straw that stirs the drink.
You are totally wrong
 
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