Where does Dak Prescott rank among QBs in NFL?

[Whirlwin]

I get that. I was just laying that info out for people that said it's because of the defense. My thing is the defense isn't getting turnovers or getting points on the board. People want to say KC or Philly were scoring 30 points per game but that wasn't all offense. Special teams and defense were getting scores.

If the Dallas defense and special teams can start scoring or getting with big plays and turnovers then ppg will go up a ton.

Example. In the 17 season folks want to talk about how Wentz was MVP favorite. If you watched the games then you would see that their defense would get turnovers and Wentz got the ball in the redzone or within 30-40 yards of the endzone. Special teams were getting big plays allowing Wentz to have very short fields.

I can't wait for football my cowboy brother family. I don't think we leave points on the board this season. It should be exciting go Cowboys. They cant expect me to give Patrick Mahomes any more love than Prescott LOL

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I don't recall if we lost that game because of it

That's the one they said Dak missed wide open Gallup but if you rewatched the play Dak knew he had Gallup but looked off the safety and seen a guy free blitzing untouched so Dak tried to get away. Gallup didn't come open until after Dak seen the delay blitz. He wasn't totally Daks be fault but he can't fumble right there. If I'm not mistaken that's the one Dak hit Cooper for those long TDs to win the game.

 

[Whirlwin]

I think Rodgers is the best QB in the league or at worst top 3. I didn't like his attitude but I try and not use bias in my rankings.

You being a teacher explains the well thought out write up you gave. Enjoy the last few days of vacation.

You are wrong about Wentz haha

I don't like Aaron Rodgers. I don't think he's that great of a quarterback the last 5 Seasons. He's relied so much on the Hail Mary. And that's luck in my opinion. Andrew Luck Tom Brady Roethlisberger Brees. Other than that I don't believe in Elite any longer. You truly need a team to win today. The days of Rodger Staubach taking over a game are going

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I can't wait for football my cowboy brother family. I don't think we leave points on the board this season. It should be exciting go Cowboys. They cant expect me to give Patrick Mahomes any more love than Prescott LOL

I agree with you. Mahomes had a fantastic season no doubt but he has 1 year starting experience. Yes he sat on the bench but I want to see him do it again before I say Mahomes is top 3-5. I think he takes a step back, especially without Hill and Hunt.

 

[Whirlwin]

That's the one they said Dak missed wide open Gallup but if you rewatched the play Dak knew he had Gallup but looked off the safety and seen a guy free blitzing untouched so Dak tried to get away. Gallup didn't come open until after Dak seen the delay blitz. He wasn't totally Daks be fault but he can't fumble right there. If I'm not mistaken that's the one Dak hit Cooper for those long TDs to win the game.

60 years too many games how to remember them all LOL thank you

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I don't like Aaron Rodgers. I don't think he's that great of a quarterback the last 5 Seasons. He's relied so much on the Hail Mary. And that's luck in my opinion. Andrew Luck Tom Brady Roethlisberger Brees. Other than that I don't believe in Elite any longer. You truly need a team to win today. The days of Rodger Staubach taking over a game are going

I can't disagree with you there. He does rely on Hail Marys but he is also pretty decent in 2 minute situations.

I wouldn't trade Dak heads up for Rodgers though. Rodgers is getting up there in age

 

[Whirlwin]

I can't disagree with you there. He does rely on Hail Marys but he is also pretty decent in 2 minute situations.

I wouldn't trade Dak heads up for Rodgers though. Rodgers is getting up there in age

That's the main reason why I would keep Prescott over Rogers I was thinking of age when I said it. But there's so much and so little space to write it. Little blurbs LOL

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

I don't think Carson Wentz bounces back I don't think he was that great to bounce back from. And no Aaron Rodgers has not been good for at least four seasons now. Prescott played him nose-to-nose in the playoff game

You bring up a fair argument I'll give you that. Dak did play as well as he did for sure. Bottom line: NFC North is a winable division. I think he can lead Green Bay to a division title. Definitely not a Super Bowl.

 

[Whirlwin]

You bring up a fair argument I'll give you that. Dak did play as well as he did for sure. Bottom line: NFC North is a winable division. I think he can lead Green Bay to a division title. Definitely not a Super Bowl.

I use speak in text. My fingers Sting from neuropathy. Sometimes my posts get gobbled I apologize that my cowboy brother. Enjoy reading well-thought-out post like the one you presented

 

[Irvin88_4life]

60 years too many games how to remember them all LOL thank you

I can't remember them all either but I do like the fact that Dak doesn't make mistakes much in crunch time. His mistakes come in the first half or 3rd quarter when he can overcome them. Romo on the other hand, his mistakes came at the worst time.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

That's the main reason why I would keep Prescott over Rogers I was thinking of age when I said it. But there's so much and so little space to write it. Little blurbs LOL

I figured that's what you were saying. I said it before that I would only take Baker and Trubisky over Dak at this moment...... But that was last year. Now I'm not sure I would take them over Dak. Those 3 will be the future of the NFL.

That being said I can't wait for this season so people can finally see Dak can be that great passer that some of us have seen and this has been a coaching and scheme issue more so than an ability issue.

I will say it now and people can screen shot it, save it and take it to the bank.......Dak will be in MVP conversation this season. Bet.

 

[IndianaCowboys1994]

I use speak in text. My fingers Sting from neuropathy. Sometimes my posts get gobbled I apologize that my cowboy brother. Enjoy reading well-thought-out post like the one you presented

I'll bring them all season long!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

How would you rank Dak Prescott among the better QBs in the NFL ?

(in my book)
1 Tom Brady NE
2 Pat Mahomes KC
3 Aaron Rodgers GB
4 Drew Brees NO
5 Russell Wilson Sea
6 Jared Goff LARa
7 Matt Ryan ATL
8 Phillip Rivers LAC
9 Carlson Wentz Phil
10 Andrew Luck Indy
11 Ben Roesthlisberger Pitt
12 Deshaun Watson Hou
13 DAK PRESCOTT Dal * *
14 Matthew Stafford Det
15 Baker Mayfield Clev
16 Derek Carr Oak
17 Cam Newton Car
18 Mitch Trubisky Chic
19 Nick Foles Jax
20 Kirk Cousins Minn

Dak is better than 4th quarter choker Wentz. Why is he in the top 10? lol. Goff too, no way he is better than Dak.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

How would you rank Dak Prescott among the better QBs in the NFL ?

(in my book)
1 Tom Brady NE
2 Pat Mahomes KC
3 Aaron Rodgers GB
4 Drew Brees NO
5 Russell Wilson Sea
6 Jared Goff LARa
7 Matt Ryan ATL
8 Phillip Rivers LAC
9 Carlson Wentz Phil
10 Andrew Luck Indy
11 Ben Roesthlisberger Pitt
12 Deshaun Watson Hou
13 DAK PRESCOTT Dal * *
14 Matthew Stafford Det
15 Baker Mayfield Clev
16 Derek Carr Oak
17 Cam Newton Car
18 Mitch Trubisky Chic
19 Nick Foles Jax
20 Kirk Cousins Minn

Stafford and Mayfield ahead of Dak.
Dak is NFL average. A middle of the pack short-range flinger who will give us many years of 8-8 and 9-7 records. Man, we are headed to averageville.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Trust me your book won't be a best seller!
From the above list I'd place Dak at # 21 and falling fast....from your list Dak is not better than any of them!

21???
Egads! I protest, rural man, Dak is easily an 18. But for camaraderie I give him a 15.

 

[JW82]

I’d put ahead of Watson and Wentz and maybe Goff too.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

True or not, the original statement made was inaccurate. I mean, I can't seriously believe you are arguing that point with me. Was the statement correct or not? It's yes or no.

Let's review:

30 mil is what average QB’s are making now.

Really, which ones?

Any starting QB that is signing a long term contract (4+ years) after this off-season.

You're certainly not wrong because we haven't had many if any average QB's signed this offseason (at least long term contracts). I wasn't calling your reply into question...just informing you about this crazy thing called inflation. Like I pointed out, GOING FORWARD, $30M for an "average" QB will not be breaking the norm. If a perennial scrub like Cousins and an unproven QB like Jimmy G got almost $30M APY just last offseason, then $30M is going to be the standard going forward. Once again, for the sake of this argument, we haven't had a lot of QB contracts this offseason to back my hair-brain theory up, but I'm kinda confident that it'll come. Russell just took the top off the ceiling with his $35M APY contract, and a fragile Wunderkind like Wentz got $32M.

 

[Whirlwin]

I figured that's what you were saying. I said it before that I would only take Baker and Trubisky over Dak at this moment...... But that was last year. Now I'm not sure I would take them over Dak. Those 3 will be the future of the NFL.

That being said I can't wait for this season so people can finally see Dak can be that great passer that some of us have seen and this has been a coaching and scheme issue more so than an ability issue.

I will say it now and people can screen shot it, save it and take it to the bank.......Dak will be in MVP conversation this season. Bet.

I just watched the replay of the Seattle playoff game. What a great throw to Gallup in the end zone.

 

[doomsday9084]

Just scratching the surface, it seems to make sense to conclude that Dallas goes as its defense goes. After all, from 2016-18 the Cowboys rank 4th in points allowed in the regular season, and only 12th in points scored. But that doesn't really tell the story. Offensive ball control is the big reason behind those rankings, as no defense faced fewer opponent's drives over those three years than Dallas. Actually the Cowboys only rank 14th in TD allowed per drive over that time -- the defense just hasn't had to face many drives, because the offense led the league with the longest average possession at 3 minutes even.

In 2018 especially, the team's plan was to play conservative for three quarters to protect its own defense, then let loose in the 4th, when the defense was out of gas. Dak's ability to flip a switch and become much more aggressive late in close games played a big part in this strategy, because it allowed the defense to go all out for three quarters.

Dal OPPONENT drives ending in TD
1st-3rd qtr 17.6% (4th)
4th qtr/OT 31.4% (28th)

4th qtr/OT, margin 8 pts or less
15+yd targets as % of all attempts
Prescott 26%
NFL avg 21%

That's a good reply. I'm not super anti-Dak. I think the team can win with him. That said, while I agree with your comments about ball control, Dak is just part of that. The offensive line and Zeke are a bigger part. Go back and look at that Indianapolis game where the Colts just loaded up the box and played tight man coverage. They took away the running part of that ball control and it worked.

At the end of the day, every QB needs a great team around him to win and Dak moreso than the top guns of the league. Its a team game. Always has been despite over focus on the QB position by the media. Going back decades, Dan Marino and Dan Fouts were two of the best QB's ever but they aren't loaded with rings because they never had the team around them to get there. OTOH, Trent Dilfer has a ring. For Cowboy fans, Danny White was pretty dam good. So was Tony Romo. No big time success for either because of the team around them.

To a large degree, my criticism of Dak is really a criticism of the concept that the QB is far and away more important than every other position as much as it is specifically about Dak.

 

[percyhoward]

That's a good reply. I'm not super anti-Dak. I think the team can win with him. That said, while I agree with your comments about ball control, Dak is just part of that.

Right, with this OL and RB, any QB could dump it off, hand it off, and basically just avoid mistakes for three quarters. Dak's value lies in his ability to respond late in close games -- and to do this while his defense is basically in full collapse.

TD per Drive (NFL rank)
2016-18
1st-3rd qtr
1 NE
2 NO
3 Atl
4 KC
5 SD

11 Dal

4th qtr/OT
1 NO
2 Sea
3 Dal
4 GB
5 TB

OPPONENT TD per drive (NFL rank)
2016-18
1st-3rd qtr
1 Min
2 Jax
3 NE
4 Chi
5 Bal

10 Dal

4th qtr/OT
28 Dal
29 Oak
30 NYJ
31 SF
32 Atl

Without Dak's clutch factor (or whatever you want to call it) over the last three years, this is a .500 team at best.