Where does Dak Prescott rank among QBs in NFL?

Irvin88_4life

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I just watched the replay of the Seattle playoff game. What a great throw to Gallup in the end zone.
Dak can make all the throws you need. People say he can't throw a back shoulder fade tell them to go watch him throw one to Gallup against the Jags last season who have 2 very good CBs
 

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Stafford and Mayfield ahead of Dak.
Dak is NFL average. A middle of the pack short-range flinger who will give us many years of 8-8 and 9-7 records. Man, we are headed to averageville.
Dak has never had a 8-8 season, he isn't Romo who did it 3 straight years. Dak has never had a losing record in the NFL and averages 11 wins a season.
 

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Dak has never had a 8-8 season, he isn't Romo who did it 3 straight years. Dak has never had a losing record in the NFL and averages 11 wins a season.
You can always count on the irvin88_4life troll to crank out an embarrassing take...
 

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Dak has never had a 8-8 season, he isn't Romo who did it 3 straight years. Dak has never had a losing record in the NFL and averages 11 wins a season.
I like your enthusiasm for Dak.
But Dak really is a middle of the pack QB. Count on it, lad.
 

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Right, with this OL and RB, any QB could dump it off, hand it off, and basically just avoid mistakes for three quarters. Dak's value lies in his ability to respond late in close games -- and to do this while his defense is basically in full collapse.

TD per Drive (NFL rank)
2016-18
1st-3rd qtr
1 NE
2 NO
3 Atl
4 KC
5 SD

11 Dal

4th qtr/OT
1 NO
2 Sea
3 Dal
4 GB
5 TB

OPPONENT TD per drive (NFL rank)
2016-18
1st-3rd qtr
1 Min
2 Jax
3 NE
4 Chi
5 Bal

10 Dal

4th qtr/OT
28 Dal
29 Oak
30 NYJ
31 SF
32 Atl

Without Dak's clutch factor (or whatever you want to call it) over the last three years, this is a .500 team at best.

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For Four Seasons I've been begging for a defensive tackle because you can't win in this league without middle pressure. Mahomes was particularly vulnerable with middle pressure. I've Been a Cowboy fan since day one. How could you not love the star and what it represents. I also know what we have in a quarterback the potential. The Giants game the Ravens game they put the ball in his hands and he was brilliant. The Green Bay playoff game he matched Aaron Rodgers throughout the entire game. We play Smash Mouth football because we don't want to overexpose leave this young defense on the field too long. Yes I believe Prescott is a top 10 quarterback
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Right, with this OL and RB, any QB could dump it off, hand it off, and basically just avoid mistakes for three quarters. Dak's value lies in his ability to respond late in close games -- and to do this while his defense is basically in full collapse.

TD per Drive (NFL rank)
2016-18
1st-3rd qtr
1 NE
2 NO
3 Atl
4 KC
5 SD

11 Dal

4th qtr/OT
1 NO
2 Sea
3 Dal
4 GB
5 TB

OPPONENT TD per drive (NFL rank)
2016-18
1st-3rd qtr
1 Min
2 Jax
3 NE
4 Chi
5 Bal

10 Dal

4th qtr/OT
28 Dal
29 Oak
30 NYJ
31 SF
32 Atl

Without Dak's clutch factor (or whatever you want to call it) over the last three years, this is a .500 team at best.

Again, this seems like an attempt to give credit to a team stat to an individual. There are other factors at play. Dallas' huge offensive line and Zeke pound on people all game long. By the 4th quarter, they start to break down and Zeke starts getting his big runs.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ezekielelliott/2555224/situationalstats?season=2018

They effectively have "clutch" stats for RB's too. Zeke is a monster when the game is close late.

I can say that without Zeke's clutch factor over the last three years, this is a 0.500 team at best too. The thing is, without Zeke, the Cowboys really are a 0.500 team without him.
With Zeke 29-13
Without Zeke 3-3
This really happened.

I would go further and point out that a lot of Dak's stats this past year were really short throws to Coop that he busted it long. Those yards go to Dak but the real playmaker there was Cooper.

Again, I'm not completely trying to denigrate Dak. I just think that giving Dak the lion's share of the credit for wins is completely unfair to his teammates. Based on all the stats, Zeke, Cooper and the defense have the biggest impact on winning or losing.
 

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Number 15 I have Newton, Stafford and Mayfield ahead of him. Stafford has great touch I wish Dak had. Mayfield does too. Newton is just a Freak of Nature. Dak is in the middle
Stafford is 6-46 vs teams over .500.....Stafford had arguably the greatest WR in last 15 years and has 0 playoff wins....Stafford puts up big yards all 4th Q because they are down by 20...Stafford isnt good
 

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Well Dak has all the intangibles you want a QB to have....poor coaching & playcalling have hurt him...He also hasnt had a #1 WR except for last 9 games....Dez was a shell....Dak also played in a offense built for Romo & dispite what people say our Oline has not been good..Dak running for his life every play...w a full camp with new WRs and return of our pro bowl Center..this is Daks best chance to show us
 

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Again, this seems like an attempt to give credit to a team stat to an individual.
Remember what you posted in the first place:

"Basically, factors outside of Dak determine the outcome of games. He is a bus driver type that isn't going to lose you the game but if the rest of the team performs poorly (Rams game), Dak isn't saving you. If you look through the game log, the defensive performance is really what determines wins and losses."

Now you've moved away from "defensive performance determines wins and losses," and "factors outside of Dak determine the outcome" to "Dak's performance isn't the only factor that determines the outcome."

I agree 100% with your new take.
 

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My only question about rankings is why does it matter if Dak Prescott is a top 5 QB? In two-three years he will be outside the top ten in highest paid QBs...I think he can easily be anywhere from 6-12 in his prime. Here is a list of guys in the last 20 that won a Super Bowl and weren't top 5 QBs that year:
2000 Dilfer
2001 Brady
2002 Johnson
2005 Roethlisberger
2007 Manning
2008 Roethlisberger
2011 Manning
2012 Flacco
2013 Wilson
2015 Manning
2017 Foles

So of the last 19 Super Bowls 11 QB's were outside of the top 5 that season and about 8 were top 5 QBs. You don't need an All-Pro QB to win a Super Bowl, heck maybe not even a Pro-Bowl QB. Have a good roster around you, which Dallas does.
 

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Let's review:





You're certainly not wrong because we haven't had many if any average QB's signed this offseason (at least long term contracts). I wasn't calling your reply into question...just informing you about this crazy thing called inflation. Like I pointed out, GOING FORWARD, $30M for an "average" QB will not be breaking the norm. If a perennial scrub like Cousins and an unproven QB like Jimmy G got almost $30M APY just last offseason, then $30M is going to be the standard going forward. Once again, for the sake of this argument, we haven't had a lot of QB contracts this offseason to back my hair-brain theory up, but I'm kinda confident that it'll come. Russell just took the top off the ceiling with his $35M APY contract, and a fragile Wunderkind like Wentz got $32M.

Don't start with this. Cousins is not a scrub and that situation is unique because of the teams but who cares, Cousins didn't make 30 so he's not in the discussion. Jimmy G didn't either so you have no point. Russell has won a Super Bowl and is flat better then any of thes other QBs. Dak aint Russell. So lets review. The statement was that Dak was 30 because it's the going rate. Well, we'll see but to this point, I haven't seen it yet and lastly, if no average QB is making 30 a year, then you can't make that statement because it isn't true. That's it, there is no middle ground there. No more reviews, there is nothing to review. That's the truth and unless you have credible evidence to refute that, there is nothing to review.
 

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Don't start with this. Cousins is not a scrub and that situation is unique because of the teams but who cares, Cousins didn't make 30 so he's not in the discussion. Jimmy G didn't either so you have no point. Russell has won a Super Bowl and is flat better then any of thes other QBs. Dak aint Russell. So lets review. The statement was that Dak was 30 because it's the going rate. Well, we'll see but to this point, I haven't seen it yet and lastly, if no average QB is making 30 a year, then you can't make that statement because it isn't true. That's it, there is no middle ground there. No more reviews, there is nothing to review. That's the truth and unless you have credible evidence to refute that, there is nothing to review.
You’re right that those guys aren’t the standard - the market has increased Since Garopplo and Cousins signed. As for Garoppolo, sure he was short of $30MM, but he also only had something like 80-90 regular season NFL passes under his belt.
 

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Don't start with this. Cousins is not a scrub and that situation is unique because of the teams but who cares, Cousins didn't make 30 so he's not in the discussion. Jimmy G didn't either so you have no point. Russell has won a Super Bowl and is flat better then any of thes other QBs. Dak aint Russell. So lets review. The statement was that Dak was 30 because it's the going rate. Well, we'll see but to this point, I haven't seen it yet and lastly, if no average QB is making 30 a year, then you can't make that statement because it isn't true. That's it, there is no middle ground there. No more reviews, there is nothing to review. That's the truth and unless you have credible evidence to refute that, there is nothing to review.

You.Just.Don't.Get.It.

Stay dense, Ponyboy...stay dense..
 
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