Trysten Hill

[xwalker]

And lining him up there is an embarrassing waste. Take a look at how many sacks Crawford has against starting offensive tackles from RDE over the past two years. I'll save you the trouble, it rhymes with hero.

Any mention of Crawford at defensive end is this team tying one arm behind its back. He is a total liability there. Go back and watch him getting bashed all game long against the Rams. It's a disgrace.



I certainly think that between the three, Hyder, Armstrong, or even Taco can Man the RDE spot for two games. And who knows? One of them might actually get you a sack or two there?

I very much hope you are right on this talk of a potential cut, but I'll believe it when I see it. This team gets all too emotionally attached to its "team guys" and has trouble letting go, even when they very clearly should.

I hopefully await another Dan Bailey type show of guts, where a formerly sacred cow is ultimately sent packing.

I've spent a lot of time reviewing the Rams game.

Crawford played his assignments (outside contain against the run).

Belichick changed the Pats defense and gave the RDE inside run responsibility (B gap) by moving a LB outside of the RDE. The Rams blocking scheme collapsed with 62 total rushing yards.

The one thing Crawford definitely has the ability to do is play run defense from the DE spot.
1 DE run defense
2 DT pass rush
.
3a DE pass rush
3b DT run defense

Crawford as a starter at either DE or DT needs to be upgraded.

Crawford at 2M per as the 8th DL would be a solid player.

Crawford as a backup at 7M per is not a perfect scenario but is way down the list of issues the team needs to worry about.

 

[Pantera_Cowboy69]

Just another wasted Cowbpys 2nd round pick.

What's new?

Sean Lee
Jaylon Smith
Connor Williams
Bruce Carter
Chidowe Awuzie
Demarcus Lawrence
Gavin Escobar
Randy Gregory
Tyrone Crawford (Technically our second pick)
How many wasted picks do you believe are on this list since 2010?

 

[buybuydandavis]

There was no reason to take Hill in round 2. Round 2 players should be more ready to upgrade a position and contribute as rookies. Projects like Hill should come later in the draft. He looks nowhere in the ball park of being good, and its not like he's competing against a bunch of pro bowlers for time. We might have have the least talented interior DL in the NFL.

DLaw was at the *top* of the 2nd. He didn't have a sack til the 4th game of his second season. Project.

Whether Hill stinks or not now, or always will, is undetermined at this point. But expecting late 2nd round players to contribute instantly on the dline just isn't how it works. Taco is still a *detriment* from the 1st.

 

[buybuydandavis]

For what price? One year deals?

It's a total blind spot for this franchise.......... it's why they still continue, to this day, struggle to field a complete roster. They simply don't understand how to use FA to their advantage because they have an aversion to stupid stuff like age.

The team had a need at DT. They basically admitted that. So they drafted a "project" in the 2nd round, who now the front office apologists are saying shouldn't be expected to contribute right away, and brought in a retread in Covington.

That's hardly fixing the DT spot. This team would be so much better off if they had gotten Suh or McCoy on the one year deals they signed. Both could play the 1 or 3T. Both would have provided insurance against what is happening right now................ Hill isn't ready to contribute right away.

Building a team is a marathon, not a sprint. Trying to "fix" every spot each year in free agency is how you piss away your cap and don't have the money to sign the guys you want to keep long term. It's Snyderball. How has that worked out?

We didn't build a young, deep, promising team by throwing money at old guys in free agency.

 

[buybuydandavis]

And yet you'll talk about non-starter, role player Crawford?

A year younger than McCoy? Two years younger than Suh? An iron man in the league when it comes to health and availability?

Suh is being paid $250,000 more than Tyrone "where do we play him?" Crawford. And McCoy $1 million less.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/defensive-tackle/

It's a joke how this team chooses to waste its money and roster space.

I'm not thrilled with Crawford. He's at least the devil we know. Guys who hit free agency often have a big drop.

And you're wrong on the finances. Crawford is only 7, cheaper than both. His prorated signing bonus and restructure are sunk costs. They're more expensive *and* more uncertain.

 

[buybuydandavis]

We have one of the 5 worst DT tackle rotations in the NFL. That whole group is predicated on cheap contracts and Marinelli getting them to play above their pay grade.

I don't see that plan changing much with the money we're throwing around elsewhere. But we have at least spent a real pick on DT. Maybe we'll get another one next year.

 

[Sydla]

Building a team is a marathon, not a sprint. Trying to "fix" every spot each year in free agency is how you piss away your cap and don't have the money to sign the guys you want to keep long term. It's Snyderball. How has that worked out?

We didn't build a young, deep, promising team by throwing money at old guys in free agency.

This is such a ridiculous comment.

The best teams use FA to plug holes all the time because they know it’s unlikely they can draft for every position. They find a key FA or two to fill a specific hole. No one said go hog wild in FA, but that doesn’t stop guys like from thinking what people are saying is just blow all your money in FA. It’s a straw man argument pushed by apologists because they have no real defense for those arguing strategic FA.

Further a guy like McCoy signed a one year deal, so he would hardly kill this team’s cap, etc.

 

[Sydla]

I'm not thrilled with Crawford. He's at least the devil we know. Guys who hit free agency often have a big drop.

And you're wrong on the finances. Crawford is only 7, cheaper than both. His prorated signing bonus and restructure are sunk costs. They're more expensive *and* more uncertain.

Who is more uncertain than Crawford?

McCoy? Surely you jest. McCoy is a better DT.

 

[xwalker]

Building a team is a marathon, not a sprint. Trying to "fix" every spot each year in free agency is how you piss away your cap and don't have the money to sign the guys you want to keep long term. It's Snyderball. How has that worked out?

We didn't build a young, deep, promising team by throwing money at old guys in free agency.

This is such a ridiculous comment.

The best teams use FA to plug holes all the time because they know it’s unlikely they can draft for every position. They find a key FA or two to fill a specific hole. No one said go hog wild in FA, but that doesn’t stop guys like from thinking what people are saying is just blow all your money in FA. It’s a straw man argument pushed by apologists because they have no real defense for those arguing strategic FA.

Further a guy like McCoy signed a one year deal, so he would hardly kill this team’s cap, etc.

buybuy is spot on in this post.

They already did a 1-year 8M on Quinn and 1 year, 5M for Cobb.

Once you start with the "but it's only 1 year, 8M" then where does it stop?

Quinn 1 year, 8M
Cobb 1 year, 5M
.
DT McCoy 1 year, 8M
Upgrade to Heath at Safety 1 year, 8M
Make certain LG is covered 1 year, 8M
Insurance if Zeke holds out 1 year, 8M
Better backup QB 1 year, 8M
DLaw might not be ready, LDE backup 1 year, 8M
TE is uncertain 1 year 8M TE in addition to Witten

 

[atlantacowboy]

DLaw was at the *top* of the 2nd. He didn't have a sack til the 4th game of his second season. Project.

Whether Hill stinks or not now, or always will, is undetermined at this point. But expecting late 2nd round players to contribute instantly on the dline just isn't how it works. Taco is still a *detriment* from the 1st.

Dlaw fractured his right foot in training camp as a rookie. We hardly saw him play in 2014. He was not drafted as a project and was already the best DE on the team by year 2.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I don't see that plan changing much with the money we're throwing around elsewhere. But we have at least spent a real pick on DT. Maybe we'll get another one next year.

The plan isn't working. If we were winning NFC championships, i'd have a different opinion. We continue to invest in the wrong positions and go cheap where it matters most.. You would think after getting gashed by the Rams for almost 300 yards, some attention would have been paid to the DL this off season. Adding a rookie who wasn't even a good college player is hardly addressing the problem.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Who is more uncertain than Crawford?

McCoy? Surely you jest. McCoy is a better DT.

Why wasn't he resigned?

We know guys on our own team better than free agents. That knowledge mitigates risk. Vanderjagt was the greatest of all time. Except he wasn't anymore, and we didn't know it. The Colts knew him and didn't resign him.

Knowledge reduces risk. Ignorance increases it.

 

[dfense]

DLaw had 12 tackles in 7 games as a rook. Just saying.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Quinn 1 year, 8M
Cobb 1 year, 5M

Which were bigger free agent buys than we usually do for 1 year free agent rentals. We'll see how they work out.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Dlaw fractured his right foot in training camp as a rookie. We hardly saw him play in 2014. He was not drafted as a project and was already the best DE on the team by year 2.

His foot was unbroken enough to play 7 games, yet he never started though we bad bupkiss at DE.

Project.

If 0 sacks and never starting will count as "contributing" for half a season of Hill, I think he'll make it.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Name one successful person in the history of the world named Trysten.

Sounds like one of those twilight names

 

[buybuydandavis]

This is such a ridiculous comment.

The best teams use FA to plug holes all the time because they know it’s unlikely they can draft for every position. They find a key FA or two to fill a specific hole. No one said go hog wild in FA, but that doesn’t stop guys like from thinking what people are saying is just blow all your money in FA. It’s a straw man argument pushed by apologists because they have no real defense for those arguing strategic FA.

Further a guy like McCoy signed a one year deal, so he would hardly kill this team’s cap, etc.

There's always another 8 mil free agent to spend cap on. Makes the team better this year, makes the long term cap situation worse.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Sean Lee
Jaylon Smith
Connor Williams
Bruce Carter
Chidowe Awuzie
Demarcus Lawrence
Gavin Escobar
Randy Gregory
Tyrone Crawford (Technically our second pick)
How many wasted picks do you believe are on this list since 2010?

Go back a few more years and this list won't look so good. Convenient you stopped at 2010?

 

[atlantacowboy]

His foot was unbroken enough to play 7 games, yet he never started though we bad bupkiss at DE.

Project.

If 0 sacks and never starting will count as "contributing" for half a season of Hill, I think he'll make it.

He was drafted to contribute day 1. You don't see how missing TC and most of the season may have negatively impacted him? We actually gave up a 3rd round pick to move up for him.

You can use 20/20 hindsight and conclude he didn't pan out until year 4 so he must have been a project no different than Hill, but thats garbage.

 

[Stash]

I've spent a lot of time reviewing the Rams game.

Crawford played his assignments (outside contain against the run).

Belichick changed the Pats defense and gave the RDE inside run responsibility (B gap) by moving a LB outside of the RDE. The Rams blocking scheme collapsed with 62 total rushing yards.

The one thing Crawford definitely has the ability to do is play run defense from the DE spot.
1 DE run defense
2 DT pass rush
.
3a DE pass rush
3b DT run defense

Crawford as a starter at either DE or DT needs to be upgraded.

Crawford at 2M per as the 8th DL would be a solid player.

Crawford as a backup at 7M per is not a perfect scenario but is way down the list of issues the team needs to worry about.

I disagree. When we're talking cap situations with all of these contracts we're not getting done, and worried about how we can keep a young guys with upside like Joe Jackson to keep THIS guy? Yeah, I consider that a problem.