Twitter: Archer: Breakdown of Zeke's Contract

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This man gets it. I've seen it several times, but my other half hasn't.
I'm not sure she would have as good a time as I would though...
I mean... Jane Fonda in her prime...

Sounds like it will get you going for sure, and maybe she might enjoy it as well. You never know... :thumbup:
 

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https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/to...019-franchise-tag-numbers-transition-tag/amp/

And the 2nd tag is always 1.2x the 1st franchise tag

Right. Let's check this one out, and the projected tag cost for 2020:

https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders/

That says $12,509,000 for 2020, an increase of $1.3 million over this year's $11,214,000. Based on that same level of increase, 2021's tag would be nearly $14 million, and 1.2x that would be $16.8 million for 2022. That's pretty close, and actually $1 million more than the $30 million I suggested for those two years.
 

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Almost every person looking at this from the outside says the cowboys got played, that Elliot destroyed the Jones’ and that this is going to be an awful contract.

No one from the outside looking in has said, “what a great job by the team.” They pretty much unanimously agree it is a terrible contract and that the team gained nothing and bowed down to Elliot’s demands.

Except for CowboysZone, where the overwhelming consensus is that this is a great deal.

You can criticize the contract and want the player to do well.

None of those people looked at the details. They simply reacted to the gaudy initial numbers. We now know the details and structure and it is a very reasonable deal with easy outs as he reaches old age for a RB.
 

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Right. Let's check this one out, and the projected tag cost for 2020:

https://overthecap.com/franchise-transition-and-rfa-tenders/

That says $12,509,000 for 2020, an increase of $1.3 million over this year's $11,214,000. Based on that same level of increase, 2021's tag would be nearly $14 million, and 1.2x that would be $16.8 million for 2022. That's pretty close, and actually $1 million more than the $30 million I suggested for those two years.

Theres no reason to assume itll be $16.8M or $14M.

The RB franchise tag was LARGER in 2017 and 2016 than this year. It won't be a lateral increase of $1.3M every year. Assuming a 50% increase in the runningback franchise tag three years from now is not at all reasonable.

But even if it was, that's still less than 31.5M of the two franchise tags, then add the $6.5M dead cap, and it's a really bad deal.
 

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Theres no reason to assume itll be $16.8M or $14M.

The RB franchise tag was LARGER in 2017 and 2016 than this year. It won't be a lateral increase of $1.3M every year. Assuming a 50% increase in the runningback franchise tag over three years is not at all reasonable.

It's certainly more "reasonable" than your attempts to use 2019 numbers for 2021, two years later! Come on!

:laugh:
 

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Well, you had him under contract for 2 years and then 2 franchise tags were possible, so you gave him a contract with still 4 years of team control left because he pouted.

You can say the contract works in Dallas’s favor, but the whims situation being a great win is a stretch.

It's better not to tag a player two years in a row. Most players do not want to play under the tag. Lawrence did it one year but was not going to do it again this year. Best business is to work out a deal that works for the team and player.
 

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A breakdown of Ezekiel Elliott’s eight-year, $102.9 million deal with the Dallas Cowboys:

Signing bonus - $7.5 million

2019 base salary - $752,137
2020 base salary - $6.8 million ($13 million option bonus)
2021 base salary - $9.6 million
2022 base salary - $12.4 million
2023 base salary - $10.9 million
2024 base salary - $10 million
2025 base salary - $15.4 million
2026 base salary - $16.6 million

Note: The first two years of the deal are fully guaranteed, totaling $28 million at signing. The base salaries in 2021 and 2022 become fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the league years in 2020 and 2021.


this is a very tricky contract to comprehend.

i think the team got a better deal than i expected.

look at the 1st 2 years, he essentially gets a raise of $15 million.
it seems the agent wanted the certainty of getting the near term money.

then the next 3 years (years 3-5), his base salary is only ~11 million.
so essentially zeke is exchanging that $15 million additional salary certainty in exchange for a "discount" in his salary for years 3-5. it is a discount because the average salary is ~$11 million for years 3-5.
if his play falls of during years 3-5, then the team is basically stuck with an extra year of guaranteed salary of ~$11m before cut or renegotiation.
if his performance falls off, he would probably be at least a 2nd tier rb worth about $5-7 million. so the loss is probably about $6 million.

the team is essentially getting a team option for years 6-7 for $16 million average salary
 
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Not only are these deals good for both sides, but the real gem is lowering the cap hits for this year and pushing that extra cap space into next year.

SpoTrac has us about $78M in free cap space with all current deals factored in.
 

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Almost every person looking at this from the outside says the cowboys got played, that Elliot destroyed the Jones’ and that this is going to be an awful contract.

No one from the outside looking in has said, “what a great job by the team.” They pretty much unanimously agree it is a terrible contract and that the team gained nothing and bowed down to Elliot’s demands.

Except for CowboysZone, where the overwhelming consensus is that this is a great deal.

You can criticize the contract and want the player to do well.
Who exactly from the outside and also I want to hear their explanation of how the Cowboys got played based on the full details of the contract. I’m waiting.
 

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It is what it is, you pay for studs. It could be worse .We could be lining up with Jordan Howard in the backfield lol.

Guaranteed as an eagles fan you dont want to face Zeke this season. Careful, we will bring out the broom and start sweeping up the trash again.
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He's brilliant in what he does, but no writer coming up can get away with his premise.
Not a one could get a producer's ear trying to pitch what he does.

He's in rarefied air that all writers wish they could be reveling in.
 
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Not only are these deals good for both sides, but the real gem is lowering the cap hits for this year and pushing that extra cap space into next year.

SpoTrac has us about $78M in free cap space with all current deals factored in.

They need at least $30 million of that handy to be able to franchise tag the quarterback if it comes to that. But still, thats a lot of cheddar! And with several of the big contracts already accounted for.
 

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Not only are these deals good for both sides, but the real gem is lowering the cap hits for this year and pushing that extra cap space into next year.

SpoTrac has us about $78M in free cap space with all current deals factored in.

Quiet we are enjoying the hysteria :muttley:
 

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https://overthecap.com/looking-at-the-cowboys-contract-with-ezekiel-elliott/

For the most part Elliott will outearn Gurley by $100,000 over the prior existing years of the contract, $50,000 by the 2nd year of the deal, $100,000 by the 3rd year of the deal, and $500,000 by the 4th year of the contract. That is when Gurley’s contract ends. Those two contracts are really in a class all by themselves compared to the other players.

While in most cases I would say that this slight difference in relatively meaningless I look at Elliott similar to the way I look at Le’Veon Bell, although for different reasons. Guarantees in NFL contracts are easily voided in most cases. At the very least a NFL suspension for any reason would void the guarantees in a contract. If Dallas got very aggressive with Elliott you could probably find a way to void a guarantee for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and having an incident reflect poorly on the organization.

If the guarantees do void then Dallas has the potential to escape at an earlier date either via a release or a renegotiation. Again not likely but Dallas has built in a better structure for that purpose than the Rams did./quote]
 

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Elliot can easily void the guarantees if he continues his offseason antics. So the ball is in Elliot's court to remain out of trouble in the offseason and to avoid Emperor Goodell.
 

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Larry David both is my hero and pisses me off.
He's brilliant in what he does, but no writer coming up can get away with his premise.
Not a one could get a producer's ear trying to pitch what he does.

He's in rarefied air that all writers wish they could be reveling in.

Lol, there are a ton of people that dont get his comedy, just like they never understood Seinfeld. A show about nothing and its awesome. There is so much humor in everyday life that gets overlooked. LD finds it, pulls it out, and beats it to a pulp. Lol

I cant imagine his initial pitches and how he was able to get started, but hes pretty, pretty, pretty good.
 
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