QB Time to Release (Dak much improved)

Jumbo075

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Been doing so here since Sunday. Lots of it.

But no fan base will overreact to one game like this fan base.

I'm encouraged, but I would like to see something like this against somebody other than a bottom five defense.

And Kellen Moore is an unknown right now. They'll get a book on him soon, and we'll see how he adjusts.

Really? Really?

I've lived in 8 states and another country, and it's my experience that EVERY fan base overreacts both positively and negatively to their team's performance.
 

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Dak said last season Garrett, Moore , and himself came up with that gameplan. It was a game for Dak to show he could put the team on his back when he said it click for him late last season.

I’m not a big Garret fan. As you well know.

That being said. Garret himself was always a better play caller than Linehan. I’ll never understand why they hired Linehan to call plays for him.

Perhaps it was too many responsibilities and overwhelming to be head coach and call plays. But Linehan was a downgrade from Garret in the playcalling department.
 

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I think the use of more motion is what is letting Dak know where he will need to go as it is forcing defense to somewhat show their hand ahead of the snap. I was really happy to see how cleanly the WR, RB and TE did in avoiding illegal man in motion penalties.
Yep. Best way in the world to make the Defense tip their hand.
 

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Saw him stand in, and take a few shots after throws, too. Old Dak would have scrambled awkwardly in to traffic, and taken a sack. He seemed very poised, confident in the scheme, and receivers. It was a very promising game.
 

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Yes, I had no doubt last year that much of the holding the ball too long was due to how he was being coached by Linehan to execute those plays.
I think it was more about the play it safe play calling of Linehan with his all curls routes that the defense was sitting on every game and nearly every play
 

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Sure seems like this particular stat could encourage misleading conclusions. Our excellent O-line of 2014 for example, sometimes Romo had 8, 9, 10+ seconds in a clean pocket. Is that really a bad thing?

If the line is good enough & the QB is good makes the play, it isn't necessarily bad. But it puts a lot of strain on the line.

I would tend to say you would like 90% of your pass plays to be in the 2.5 second range. Negates even the best pass rushes. The remaining 10% for superquick passes like bubble screens & the long developing plays where you are intentionally taking a shot.
 

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I’m not a big Garret fan. As you well know.

That being said. Garret himself was always a better play caller than Linehan. I’ll never understand why they hired Linehan to call plays for him.

Perhaps it was too many responsibilities and overwhelming to be head coach and call plays. But Linehan was a downgrade from Garret in the playcalling department.


He brought Linehan in after he took playcalling back from Callahan. I also do remember him and Jerry say they wanted him to be free to work with all the areas a head coach should
 

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Yes, I had no doubt last year that much of the holding the ball too long was due to how he was being coached by Linehan to execute those plays.

And where did you see that X. From everything I saw written and heard from Dak himself was in college he was coached hard to protect the ball. He also said it was because he wasn't comfortable with his wr group early on in 2018. The disappointing part with Linehan was his chemistry with his players and going over Garrett's head to Stephen to get what he wanted. There was talk by both Mickey and Broaddus about Garrett and Linehan having friction last season.
 

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That, and guys running clear by 10 yards. LOL

We'll really have a good grasp on where he is once they play some legit defenses. The Giants will finish bottom five in the league I bet.


After 1 game against probably one of the worst defenses in the NFL and Dak is Dan Marino+ Tom Brady all of sudden. :muttley:
I understand your pain as your employer (Dak's PR Rep) is still without that "Magic" Massive contract but be patient withing 2 months from now we and the world will know what Dak is and what Dak does...... :popcorn:
 

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The pass to Cobb where Cobb stiff armed the defender to get the 1st is a good example.

Dak could have waited for Gallup who was obviously going to be open but the pass rush was coming. Dak threw the pass to Cobb. Last season he likely would have waited and would have been coached to wait for Gallup but it's 50-50 on whether the pass rush gets there before he can make the throw.
We only threw 3 passes in the red zone. All were successful plays (based on success rate), all were to players not on the team last year.
 

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Oh so Dak is actually capable of improving? If you ask half the fanbase they’d say the opposite
 

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The time from the snap to when the QB releases the ball is a stat that has been tracked in recent years.

Dak has never been in the top 10 in terms of least amount of time holding the ball (based on full season averages).

Dak was 8th for game 1 of 2019 in shortest "hold time".

In 2018 Dak was 30th for the season.
Yup. We got rid of those long developing routes Linny was so famous for.
 

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After 1 game against probably one of the worst defenses in the NFL and Dak is Dan Marino+ Tom Brady all of sudden. :muttley:
I understand your pain as your employer (Dak's PR Rep) is still without that "Magic" Massive contract but be patient withing 2 months from now we and the world will know what Dak is and what Dak does...... :popcorn:
Absolutely. Which is what I've been trying to tell you for 3 years. Give Dak a quality OC, and it won't take long to find out if he can play. Under Linny, we were never going to know.
 

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I’m not a big Garret fan. As you well know.

That being said. Garret himself was always a better play caller than Linehan. I’ll never understand why they hired Linehan to call plays for him.

Perhaps it was too many responsibilities and overwhelming to be head coach and call plays. But Linehan was a downgrade from Garret in the playcalling department.
Because Garret failed as a playcaller, and our O was spinning its wheels. Garrett might have been better than Linny, but if he was it wasn't by much.
 

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I think part of that is knowing where you are going with the ball based on the pre snap read. I saw much less hesitation on the part of Dak. He knew where he wanted to go and ripped it.


Dak had an amazing game, but one thing to say this guys were WIDE open, like literally 3 steps about every throw he made, I would be very interested in yards of separation stat for week one. Dak had one of the greatest games ever, but I do have concerns that the defense they played was flat out terrible after getting rid of 3 their best defensive players.
 

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Dak had an amazing game, but one thing to say this guys were WIDE open, like literally 3 steps about every throw he made, I would be very interested in yards of separation stat for week one. Dak had one of the greatest games ever, but I do have concerns that the defense they played was flat out terrible after getting rid of 3 their best defensive players.

In some cases they were wide open as NY played a lot of Zone but I also saw catches where Dak threaded the ball in with defenders around his WR. I fully expect to see this offense have a harder time vs better defense but I also know we have a lot of weapons that will put a lot of pressure on defense and their coordinators. If teams start to loosen up at the LS Dallas still has a running game that can hurt you and if you play aggressive on our run we have the weapons outside that can make big plays. Hell Dak numbers went way up once Cooper came to Dallas. Now add a much more developed and in sync WR like Gallup and a slot man like Cobb who can take it up field along with Jarwin and Witten. I don't think it will be easy every week but there is a lot of weapons for Dak.
 

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Sure seems like this particular stat could encourage misleading conclusions. Our excellent O-line of 2014 for example, sometimes Romo had 8, 9, 10+ seconds in a clean pocket. Is that really a bad thing?

Yes that is a sign that the line is good, but no it is a bad thing because no play is schemed to last more then a few seconds. As a matter of fact when you hear the term “a long developing play”, that’s usual a play where it takes around four seconds to reached the schemed play. Those plays are almost nonexistent now just because of how good defensive have become. And secondly yes a play will breakdown or be covered up which will lead to holding the ball, but that’s a play are two and not an average for the game.
 
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