Is Garrett the problem with character issue players?

CowboyRoy

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Garrett can't seem to handle any mental make-up issue type players.

Jimmy got to Super Bowls by handing Charles Haley.

Taco
  • Taco failed because he was or became uncoachable.
  • He did NOT fail due to a lack of physical ability.
  • Dorance Armstrong does not have more physical ability than Taco.
Was it the Pick of Taco that Failed or did Garrett fail to make Taco accountable?

Has Garrett handled any character issues players?
- They kept Dez happy by force feeding him the ball.
- Zeke has only been in limited trouble.


Garrett as Head Coach:
Taco
Greg Hardy
Josh Brent
David Irving
Dez (eventually)
Rolando McClain
Jay Ratliff
Ahmad Dixon
Joseph Randle
Rico

Others that had issues:
Beasley - Complained on twitter while he was here.
Ryan Switzer - Openly complained to the media.
T.Williams - The 2018 move to IR seemed to be more of a flake out and an long term injury.
Kyle Orton - Faked injury or illness to get cut (I forget the details).

Garrett as the OC, not HC:
TO
Patrick Crayton
MartyB

I can honestly say that Jones is the problem with troubled players. I really feel like Garrett, if he had those kind of controls, wouldnt waste any time with these types. His RKG is genuine, its just he doesnt have the power to follow through on it.
 

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All coaches deal with these players its not their job to get them under control or make them do their job

You either show up ready to play or you find yourself somewhere else to play just like in the working world
 

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Garrett can't seem to handle any mental make-up issue type players.

Jimmy got to Super Bowls by handing Charles Haley.

Taco
  • Taco failed because he was or became uncoachable.
  • He did NOT fail due to a lack of physical ability.
  • Dorance Armstrong does not have more physical ability than Taco.
Was it the Pick of Taco that Failed or did Garrett fail to make Taco accountable?

Has Garrett handled any character issues players?
- They kept Dez happy by force feeding him the ball.
- Zeke has only been in limited trouble.


Garrett as Head Coach:
Taco
Greg Hardy
Josh Brent
David Irving
Dez (eventually)
Rolando McClain
Jay Ratliff
Ahmad Dixon
Joseph Randle
Rico

Others that had issues:
Beasley - Complained on twitter while he was here.
Ryan Switzer - Openly complained to the media.
T.Williams - The 2018 move to IR seemed to be more of a flake out and an long term injury.
Kyle Orton - Faked injury or illness to get cut (I forget the details).

Garrett as the OC, not HC:
TO
Patrick Crayton
MartyB

Taco never had the talent. Those are the facts.
 

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They may not have the organizational success that New England does, but I think the reason the Cowboys are so quick to ship the "headaches" out of town is they're trying to mold their team/culture in the Patriot cloth.

Either mold your behavior to the "Cowboy way", or you're done. I think in theory, that's a great plan. But you need that dominant and respected figurehead in charge in order for guys to fully buy in. Obvious problem there, though, is that Jason Garrett is no Bill Belichick.
In order to have that dominant and respected figurehead, you HAVE to have an owner who will stand by his HC 100% and not waiver at all. If the owner did that, perhaps Garrett would be more like Bill? It is hard to say because Jerry has never stood behind any HC (Initially he did with JJ) but after that, Jerry undermies his HC's all the time. No HC for Dallas will ever be like Bill Belichick and we have Jerry to thank for this.
 

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It was great that Garrett pushed for a focus on obtaining RKG types.

They focused on drafting team captains and put a much bigger emphasis on character issues before investing in players.

The ones they did acquire like Greg Hardy were very low risks. Hardy's contract basically only paid him if he was active for games.

Taco was not a significant character issue player in the draft. There were some questions about his consistency but he was really a character red flag player.

What I did NOT realize at the time that the RKG term became much discussed is that acquiring RKG players is the only way Garrett can coach them.

Just based on random happenstance they should have had success with a few borderline character issue players but they really have not had success with any.
The right kind of guy is not just a JG thing. Every coach has a right kind of guy for his team. Let Taco go to NE and he doesnt buy in then he will get the boot just like he did in Dallas. You can say this about every team in the NFL except maybe the Dolphins.
 

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Garrett can't seem to handle any mental make-up issue type players.

Jimmy got to Super Bowls by handing Charles Haley.

Taco
  • Taco failed because he was or became uncoachable.
  • He did NOT fail due to a lack of physical ability.
  • Dorance Armstrong does not have more physical ability than Taco.
Was it the Pick of Taco that Failed or did Garrett fail to make Taco accountable?

Has Garrett handled any character issues players?
- They kept Dez happy by force feeding him the ball.
- Zeke has only been in limited trouble.


Garrett as Head Coach:
Taco
Greg Hardy
Josh Brent
David Irving
Dez (eventually)
Rolando McClain
Jay Ratliff
Ahmad Dixon
Joseph Randle
Rico

Others that had issues:
Beasley - Complained on twitter while he was here.
Ryan Switzer - Openly complained to the media.
T.Williams - The 2018 move to IR seemed to be more of a flake out and an long term injury.
Kyle Orton - Faked injury or illness to get cut (I forget the details).

Garrett as the OC, not HC:
TO
Patrick Crayton
MartyB
Way off base here in my opinion. Jimmy didn’t put up with any player’s crap unless he was a super star, and with Haley, he came in at halftime one game, flushed the toilet, and told Haley that was his career as motivation. Taco is not Haley. Garrett put up with a lot of Hardy’s crap until it was obvious Hardy was no longer a difference maker. To identify Garrett as the problem, you’ve got to show some guys he dumped who went on to star elsewhere. I think most of them were just bums after Dallas. No work for Hardy, no work for Dez.

Taco is likely to get signed somewhere, but he’s the definition of JAG at best.
 

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Garrett is the problem with 90% of things. Player attitudes are all player issues.
 

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Garrett can't seem to handle any mental make-up issue type players.

Jimmy got to Super Bowls by handing Charles Haley.

Taco
  • Taco failed because he was or became uncoachable.
  • He did NOT fail due to a lack of physical ability.
  • Dorance Armstrong does not have more physical ability than Taco.
Was it the Pick of Taco that Failed or did Garrett fail to make Taco accountable?

Has Garrett handled any character issues players?
- They kept Dez happy by force feeding him the ball.
- Zeke has only been in limited trouble.


Garrett as Head Coach:
Taco
Greg Hardy
Josh Brent
David Irving
Dez (eventually)
Rolando McClain
Jay Ratliff
Ahmad Dixon
Joseph Randle
Rico

Others that had issues:
Beasley - Complained on twitter while he was here.
Ryan Switzer - Openly complained to the media.
T.Williams - The 2018 move to IR seemed to be more of a flake out and an long term injury.
Kyle Orton - Faked injury or illness to get cut (I forget the details).

Garrett as the OC, not HC:
TO
Patrick Crayton
MartyB
Seems to be a pattern.
 

Whirlwin

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Way different eras to even try to compare what Jimmy could do versus what Garrett could do with problem players.
I am far from a Garrett supporter but I think Garrett has done pretty well with player-coach relationships, massaging player egos, disciplining players, etc.
I completely support Jason. But you have to see there's a definite pattern here
 

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I'd start by looking at how many of those problem children went on to have success elsewhere, maybe. From your list, I'd say Ratliff, Martellus Bennett, and TO had any measure of success outside of Dallas.

TO was TO, but he was also a problem at every single stop. He was gone in 2008, and he had problems with everybody, though Garrett was included in that group because he thought Garrett leaked whatever to the press about whatever.

Ratliff had money issues, and he went kind of nuts after he left Dallas anyway. Not really a Garrett thing.

Martellus and Garrett didn't have much mutual respect, but Martellus left for money and playing time behind Witten at the end of his prime. Witten's still playing and Marty is done, so it was probably the right choice for both parties.

The other guys on that list either had no real issues with Garrett or went on to do nothing after they left, meaning the issue wasn't our coach's ability to motivate them as much as it was really their ability to play in the first place.
 

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I'd start by looking at how many of those problem children went on to have success elsewhere, maybe. From your list, I'd say Ratliff, Martellus Bennett, and TO had any measure of success outside of Dallas.

TO was TO, but he was also a problem at every single stop. He was gone in 2008, and he had problems with everybody, though Garrett was included in that group because he thought Garrett leaked whatever to the press about whatever.

Ratliff had money issues, and he went kind of nuts after he left Dallas anyway. Not really a Garrett thing.

Martellus and Garrett didn't have much mutual respect, but Martellus left for money and playing time behind Witten at the end of his prime. Witten's still playing and Marty is done, so it was probably the right choice for both parties.

The other guys on that list either had no real issues with Garrett or went on to do nothing after they left, meaning the issue wasn't our coach's ability to motivate them as much as it was really their ability to play in the first place.

Bill Parcell's, "the player." Can't remember one time he used the guy's name. LOL
 

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I'm not a Garrett hater.

I've defended Garrett often. I've said dozens of times that he is a better HC than Wade Phillips was as the HC.
Pointing out Garrett > Wade Phillips as a HC is not saying much. You seemed to be trying to be making a point in this thread that Garrett had a hand in Taco's failure.
 

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Garrett is not a true head coach.......just someone holding the title due to our high maintenance owner/gm.

Straight up, I'd rather have Garrett than a shelf full of 'gangster' players who can single handedly downgrade respect from the start.

You really like New England with Gordon and Brown? Introduce them to your Mom...
 

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Let's not forget, back in the days of Landry, Jimmy, etc., there was no internet to report every little incident. Guys back then were as bad, if not worse at times. You just didn't hear about it as much. IIRC, the Jimmy Johnson era SB teams pretty much ran roughshod over Dallas and got away with it, because of who they were.
 

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Garrett is the problem with players just in general. No need to single anybody out. He sucks.
 

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Straight up, I'd rather have Garrett than a shelf full of 'gangster' players who can single handedly downgrade respect from the start.

You really like New England with Gordon and Brown? Introduce them to your Mom...
Along with Hernandez...oh wait.
 

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Charles Haley worked his *** off and would take to task anyone who didnt..

He kind of toned down when Chad Hennings picked him off his feet and slammed him up against wall lockers.
 

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Way different eras to even try to compare what Jimmy could do versus what Garrett could do with problem players.
I am far from a Garrett supporter but I think Garrett has done pretty well with player-coach relationships, massaging player egos, disciplining players, etc.

Better to compare what the players did after they were here. That's the more relevant comparison. Besides Mary B., I don't see any producers. Beasley and Switzer still have the jury out ... but Beas was productive here, we just didn't think he was worth a 3rd contract. Also recall that when he arrived, he quit the team but was convinced to come back and made a nice career of it.
 
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