Recap: Cowboys Defensive Linemen Drafted since 2010

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Oooopppppphhhhhhh worst part is we havent addressed it free agency either

Pull up that list of failures and things look even worse.

The fraud of Rod Marinelli's 'greatness' is being exposed. He's finished after this year, but we have to overcome it for the rest of this season. It then he will be 'retired' whether he likes it or not. It's just a shame that as with Linehan we have to wait another season for the inevitable.
 

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Here you go, May of this year. You tried to absolve your boy of not using Tavon Austin at all last year





I'm sure that you'd like to think so. It's obvious that the truth really hurts you. You'll try anything to revise history.

I personally don't care whether you believe me or not. I know the truth and now so do you and now you can't unsee it.
That was a post about you overrating Austin. Which is still true.
 

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You have no idea how the selections are made and how a larger philosophy is at play here. As an organization they don't value DT and S as high as other positions and it's been proven over and over again. That's going to effect a lot of those decisions you disagree with. Are you sure that philosophy starts with Rod?

There is enough circumstantial evidence to formulate an opinion that this team has largely built a defensive philosophy that trickles down into drafting and player personnel decisions based on the whims of Marinelli. ere.

It might be time for a new voice along the DL. Quinn comes back this week. If this team still can't be anything more than a middling pass rush team like they have for the last few years, at some point you have to look at the DL coach, correct?
 

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Pull up that list of failures and things look even worse.

The fraud of Rod Marinelli's 'greatness' is being exposed. He's finished after this year, but we have to overcome it for the rest of this season. It then he will be 'retired' whether he likes it or not. It's just a shame that as with Linehan we have to wait another season for the inevitable.
Yes sir. Ive been calling marinelli a fraud since he was with the lions lol
 

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Viewed from a distance, it appears our strategy has been bargain basement hunting or expecting Marinelli to make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
 

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There is enough circumstantial evidence to formulate an opinion that this team has largely built a defensive philosophy that trickles down into drafting and player personnel decisions based on the whims of Marinelli.

It might be time for a new voice along the DL.
So we'll just ignore the picks of LVE and Jaylon Smith and Chido and X Woods and Lawrence since they must be a product of the whims of Marinelli (an assertion that we have yet to see proof of, btw)?
 

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Now do OL. And LB. And CB. I'm not trying to put lipstick on a pig, we haven't been as successful on DL and that's plainly obvious. But I don't know what this thread is getting at. Should we fire Will McClay? He'd have his pick of NFL jobs if we did.
Marinelli needs to go, not McClay . McClay has done a great job. Remember the terrible drafts from the Romo years? The Cowboys biggest draft busts in the last few years have been Marinelli approved draft picks. Hill looks like another Marinelli failure at this point.
 

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You have no idea how the selections are made and how a larger philosophy is at play here. As an organization they don't value DT and S as high as other positions and it's been proven over and over again. That's going to effect a lot of those decisions you disagree with. Are you sure that philosophy starts with Rod?

Ok let’s fire Garrett
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So we'll just ignore the picks of LVE and Jaylon Smith and Chido and X Woods and Lawrence since they must be a product of the whims of Marinelli (an assertion that we have yet to see proof of, btw)?

What do taking LBs and CBs have to do with how the team has approached building a DL, specifically DT? That's the issue here - the defensive line and specifically DT. Marinelli has been here since 2013. 6 years later, we still have a DL that has some questions, can't rush the passer at a high level, and continues to throw limited assets at the DT position.

And Woods actually fits precisely into what this team's philosophy seems to be - don't use a lot of premium assets on DT or S. Woods was a 6th round pick that they hit on. That fits precisely in with the organizational philosophy of using limited assets on the S position. I mean our safety depth chart is nothing but late round draft picks, UDFAs, garbage bin retreads.
 

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So we'll just ignore the picks of LVE and Jaylon Smith and Chido and X Woods and Lawrence since they must be a product of the whims of Marinelli (an assertion that we have yet to see proof of, btw)?
The Marinelli picks are the defensive line picks. I don’t remember Marinelli being involved in drafting anything other than DL and he was not involved until the last few years. I don’t remember Marinelli being involved in the Lawrence pick .
 

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Now do OL. And LB. And CB. I'm not trying to put lipstick on a pig, we haven't been as successful on DL and that's plainly obvious. But I don't know what this thread is getting at. Should we fire Will McClay? He'd have his pick of NFL jobs if we did.

I think the point is whoever is doing DL evaluations both for the draft and FA isn't doing a good enough job. You yourself just said that we haven't been successful along the DL.

OK, so let's fix that. Where do you want to start? To me, it seems obvious that maybe we should be looking at the technically replaced defensive coordinator and current DL coach.

And go beyond the talent acquired. What about the coaching? Since he's been here (2013), we have never really had an upper echelon DL. We've churned the DE position for example and we still end up being a middling, average, pass rushing team. As I said above, we get Quinn back. If the pass rush is still as middling as it has been, at what point do you begin to wonder if what we are doing coaching and scheme wise from the DL is working?
 

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There is enough circumstantial evidence to formulate an opinion that this team has largely built a defensive philosophy that trickles down into drafting and player personnel decisions based on the whims of Marinelli. ere.

I've got better than 'circumstantial', it's just that the it's more awful truth that the homers can't accept. And why they feel compelled to try to make excuses for this colossal draft screwup. They can take the good all day long, but the bad?

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It might be time for a new voice along the DL. Quinn comes back this week. If this team still can't be anything more than a middling pass rush team like they have for the last few years, at some point you have to look at the DL coach, correct?

In my opinion, "might be" was several years ago. They've done everything short of throwing the old man out of the building already. But this I should more mishandling of business for the sake of 'feelings'. Just like they couldn't actually just fire Monte Kiffin for being terrible. Just like they couldn't even admit it when they FIRED Scott Linehan. It's ridiculous, and another contributing factor to the team's struggles.
 

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Factual information like this will just go in one ear and out the other for all the haters.

Yep. We're "haters" because we can actually be critical. How does it feel to go through life with zero accountability?
 

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Factual information like this will just go in one ear and out the other for all the haters.

That's how you read the post?

Seems to me what needs to come from that data and when you look at the FAs we've tried, the Cowboys philosophy of trying to build a DL, and more specifically DT, through lower picks and bargain bin FAs doesn't work.
 

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Maybe for a weakness do not start looking from round 4 to 7. 1 to 3 like we have seen is not a sure find either but they need help when it comes to the DL. The whole group must have been drunk draf
Taco was a 1st round pick. Marinelli's first round pick.

And his most recent inactive player is a 2nd round pick.

This, the problem is that guy, he has too go.
 

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What do taking LBs and CBs have to do with how the team has approached building a DL, specifically DT? That's the issue here - the defensive line and specifically DT. Marinelli has been here since 2013. 6 years later, we still have a DL that has some questions, can't rush the passer at a high level, and continues to throw limited assets at the DT position.

And Woods actually fits precisely into what this team's philosophy seems to be - don't use a lot of premium assets on DT or S. Woods was a 6th round pick that they hit on. That fits precisely in with the organizational philosophy of using limited assets on the S position. I mean our safety depth chart is nothing but late round draft picks, UDFAs, garbage bin retreads.
Exactly, it is an organizational philosophy. No doubt Marinelli has some input, but the buck stops higher than his pay grade - even on DL picks.
 
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