Recap: Cowboys Defensive Linemen Drafted since 2010

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

That's how you read the post?

Seems to me what needs to come from that data and when you look at the FAs we've tried, the Cowboys philosophy of trying to build a DL, and more specifically DT, through lower picks and bargain bin FAs doesn't work.

Bingo, even Steve Wonder see's that. Our draft and FA Goodwill pickups are not cutting it on the DL.

 

[Sydla]

They have a philosophy where they value LBs, CBs and DE more than DTs and Ss. I think that's fairly obvious when you look at the resources both in FA and in the draft, that the team has spent at each position.

Marinelli has an influence in how they value certain positions, for sure.

And this doesn't even begin to take into account whether or not he's even doing a good job coaching the DL anymore.

 

[Sydla]

Exactly, it is an organizational philosophy. No doubt Marinelli has some input, but the buck stops higher than his pay grade - even on DL picks.

I think you underestimate his influence on the DL picks. I think the Cowboys have built their philosophy in recent years based on Marinelli basically telling them he can mold limited assets into great DL play.

It's not working. Either they need to change how they acquire DL talent, specifically DTs, or they have a coaching issue. Because there is no question that year in and year out, DL play is anywhere from average to maybe slightly above average.

If this team still can't get after the QB consistent with Quinn back in the lineup, at some point, you have to look at the DL coach. People should stop being loyal or nostalgic for this guy.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

And it was you defending Linehan. "Which is still true".

Another stash misrepresentation. Like clock work. I don't know if it's a reading comprehension thing with you or if you just are so worried about being proven wrong that you will bend any bit of information to fit your argument - regardless of how its actually framed and stated.

 

[Stash]

Maybe for a weakness do not start looking from round 4 to 7. 1 to 3 like we have seen is not a sure find either but they need help when it comes to the DL. The whole group must have been drunk draf


This, the problem is that guy, he has too go.

Yes he does. But sadly it won't happen soon enough. He can only be marginalized so much this far into the season. Just hope he doesn't cost us again in the playoffs like last year. But hope isn't something to count on.

 

[Stash]

Another stash misrepresentation. Like clock work. I don't know if it's a reading comprehension thing with you or if you just are so worried about being proven wrong that you will bend any bit of information to fit your argument - regardless of how its actually framed and stated.

Still can't admit the truth about it? That was the very first one I dug up!


Where you tried to blame Austin for the fact that the rightfully unemployed, moron of an offensive coordinator never put him on the field. Another classic take of yours. Now go blame another player for the coaches not putting him on the field.

 

[Montanalo]

Taco was a 1st round pick. Marinelli's first round pick.

And his most recent inactive player is a 2nd round pick.

Yes, I agree and in both cases, both were viewed as being drafted much higher than expected... Despite devoting a recent 1st and 2nd round pick to the DL, I still maintain that the expectation was for Marinelli to create more value from these players than most thought.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Yes he does. But sadly it won't happen soon enough. He can only be marginalized so much this far into the season. Just hope he doesn't cost us again in the playoffs like last year. But hope isn't something to count on.

Agree, you will hear we held the skins to under 50 yards rushing, but could not get a passrush on Case nor sacks nor get off the field on 4th and 7. No way a good D allows that to be made. This week will probably be the same because the phins are not trying to win and everyone will think the D is fine.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I think you underestimate his influence on the DL picks. I think the Cowboys have built their philosophy in recent years based on Marinelli basically telling them he can mold limited assets into great DL play.

It's not working. Either they need to change how they acquire DL talent, specifically DTs, or they have a coaching issue. Because there is no question that year in and year out, DL play is anywhere from average to maybe slightly above average.

If this team still can't get after the QB consistent with Quinn back in the lineup, at some point, you have to look at the DL coach. People should stop being loyal or nostalgic for this guy.

Is it possible that DL play is overrated? I'm not saying completely unimportant, just maybe overrated. I only ask because the Patriots just won a Super Bowl and they had a total of 30 sacks in the regular season - second worst in the league. Also, six of the top nine teams in sacks missed the playoffs. Maybe the Cowboys have spent too many resources on the DL with Laws contract and Taco's 1st round status.

 

[ondaedg]

So we'll just ignore the picks of LVE and Jaylon Smith and Chido and X Woods and Lawrence since they must be a product of the whims of Marinelli (an assertion that we have yet to see proof of, btw)?

Those guys are good players with our fan base but if we have so many good young players why is our defense so soft? My point is maybe these picks aren't as good as we fans are biased to think.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Still can't admit the truth about it? That was the very first one I dug up!


Where you tried to blame Austin for the fact that the rightfully unemployed, moron of an offensive coordinator never put him on the field. Another classic take of yours. Now go blame another player for the coaches not putting him on the field.

Still can't admit that you take things out of context, huh? The whole argument was based on Austin's incompetency - I even said in that same argument that Linehan was rightfully let go. Austin's usage wasn't the reason.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Those guys are good players with our fan base but if we have so many good young players why is our defense so soft? My point is maybe these picks aren't as good as we fans are biased to think.

The jury is still out on how soft our D is. Two games is hardly a large enough sample size. But you could be right.

 

[kskboys]

Is it possible that DL play is overrated? I'm not saying completely unimportant, just maybe overrated. I only ask because the Patriots just won a Super Bowl and they had a total of 30 sacks in the regular season - second worst in the league. Also, six of the top nine teams in sacks missed the playoffs. Maybe the Cowboys have spent too many resources on the DL with Laws contract and Taco's 1st round status.

You can only get by w/ less of a DL if you have a genius running the D. Seriously, any attempt to use the Pats as a point of comparison is a lesson in futility. I still cannot comprehend what they did to the Rams.

However, on the flip side of the ball, the Rams stellar DLine held Brady to 13 points, so maybe the DL play is much more important than you're thinking.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Now I see why Aero and Cpanther live on this board, it's the best in the league hands down. Love it!

 

[ondaedg]

Is it possible that DL play is overrated? I'm not saying completely unimportant, just maybe overrated. I only ask because the Patriots just won a Super Bowl and they had a total of 30 sacks in the regular season - second worst in the league. Also, six of the top nine teams in sacks missed the playoffs. Maybe the Cowboys have spent too many resources on the DL with Laws contract and Taco's 1st round status.

The Pats have always taken an inside-out strategy which is stout up middle (nt, ilb, safety) forcing the ball to go laterally. JJ on the other hand loves outside rushers. The real stat you need to look at is the takeaways. Pats were studs in that area while we were awful.

 

[Sydla]

You can only get by w/ less of a DL if you have a genius running the D. Seriously, any attempt to use the Pats as a point of comparison is a lesson in futility. I still cannot comprehend what they did to the Rams.

However, on the flip side of the ball, the Rams stellar DLine held Brady to 13 points, so maybe the DL play is much more important than you're thinking.

I mean is that where we've come at this point? Argue that maybe DL play isn't that important as a way to defend Marinelli?

 

[kskboys]

Yes, I agree and in both cases, both were viewed as being drafted much higher than expected... Despite devoting a recent 1st and 2nd round pick to the DL, I still maintain that the expectation was for Marinelli to create more value from these players than most thought.

Taco had a 1st round grade. If anything, he slipped further down the 1st round than expected.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

You can only get by w/ less of a DL if you have a genius running the D. Seriously, any attempt to use the Pats as a point of comparison is a lesson in futility. I still cannot comprehend what they did to the Rams.

However, on the flip side of the ball, the Rams stellar DLine held Brady to 13 points, so maybe the DL play is much more important than you're thinking.

The Patriots were were only part of that point. I agree, they have a genius running the D - a genius that also makes mistakes in the draft at a higher rate than the Cowboys.

 

[ondaedg]

The jury is still out on how soft our D is. Two games is hardly a large enough sample size. But you could be right.

On game day I am loving our guys through my beer goggles. But last year we were soft especially in the playoffs and I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise.

 

[RodeoJake]

Yep. We're "haters" because we can actually be critical. How does it feel to go through life with zero accountability?

Y'all ain't haters, just as I ain't a blind homer. Debate is good and healthy, but making things personal never makes a point.

In my view, Taco was a fail, but not colossal. Now if we had made that trade to move up for Lynch, that would have been colossal and would have set back the organization for years. The Taco miss hasn't set us back much except for the compensation we gave up for Quinn.