News: Troy Aikman doubles down

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Aikman is right, mostly.
However, I do think Jerry has steadily loosened the grip over the last several years.

McClay is pretty much the GM on the personnel side and Stephen on the financial side.

The problem is that Jerry occupies so much press time that it can undermine his coach.
 

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Aikman is right, mostly.
However, I do think Jerry has steadily loosened the grip over the last several years.

McClay is pretty much the GM on the personnel side and Stephen on the financial side.

The problem is that Jerry occupies so much press time that it can undermine his coach.

Jerry undermines his coach by letting the players get their way by complaining directly to him...

Meh
 

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Aikman: “I believe it’s unlikely that Jerry will ever bring anybody in that can help this football team in that regard just because he’s been real stubborn and steadfast in that he’s the one in charge. I think, in a lot of ways, until that changes this team is going to have some problems.”

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Wow! If statements like this don’t phase Jerry, then we as a fan base might as well just accept mediocrity (if we haven’t already). Greatest QB of your organization implying that you’re the reason for the team’s lack of success— things are getting bleak.
 

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baby steps

took 10 years to hopefully get rid of JG

maybe another 10-15 to get rid of Jerry

maybe by the time i'm an old man, we'll be contenders
 

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no 100% right.

If you want to argue he quit/retired because he was sick of Jerry, go right ahead.

The tension was building. Jimmy, while being Dallas' Head Coach, was openly talking about how cool it'd be to go back to Florida and coach/GM the new Jacksonville franchise. Jerry thought that was disloyal.
On the other hand, Jerry was spewing stuff about any number of coaches could win a Super Bowl with their roster. Which would piss anyone off.

But Jimmy DID NOT get fired.
That's is irrefutable. Just a plain fact.
 
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Troy was kind of a grouchy, persnickety old man when he was 31. Now that he's in his mid-50s, he's really not giving a S.

Plus of course his buddy has been taking it in the shorts, so Troy takes this more personally.
That's a good point. I wonder if Garrett is relaying some dirt to him.
 

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Aikman is probably just saying this as a cover for the intensifying talks he is having with the organization.
 

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Aikman is right, mostly.
However, I do think Jerry has steadily loosened the grip over the last several years.

McClay is pretty much the GM on the personnel side and Stephen on the financial side.

The problem is that Jerry occupies so much press time that it can undermine his coach.
GM also selects the coaches, it's not just about personnel decisions. The way Jerry has handled the defense has been an unmitigated disaster.
 

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One thing about Jerry, he doesn’t hold grudges it seems and he don’t take criticism personal. If he did, he would not be on speaking terms with anybody that has anything to do with the league or media.
He absolutely holds grudges and takes criticism personally. He'd had people fired and thrown his weight and clout around for decades. Not unlike many rich powerful men do, but still, he is thin-skinned and vindictive.

I don't know if I have ever disagreed with a post more.
 

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no 100% right.

If you want to argue he quit/retired because he was sick of Jerry, go right ahead.

The tension was building. Jimmy, while being Dallas' Head Coach, was openly talking about how cool it'd be to go back to Florida and coach/GM the new Jacksonville franchise. Jerry thought that was disloyal.
On the other hand, Jerry was spewing stuff about any number of coaches could win a Super Bowl with their roster. Which would piss anyone off.

But Jimmy DID NOT get fired.
That's is irrefutable. Just a plain fact.

WRONG AGAIN!

Jerry fired Jimmy AINEC

We can equivocate all we want about how Jimmy was planning on leaving, Jimmy goaded jeri into firing him, Jimmy and jeri weren’t getting along, etc, etc, etc but the bottom line is jeri fired him and gave Jimmy 2 million to leave. The straw that broke Jeri’s back was the non-toast where jeri tried to toast a table of people jeri had fired (Bob Ackles, Brenda Bushnell, etc) that Jimmy was also at. Jeri being his typical tone deaf, self absorbed, insecure a-hole self got his panties in a bunch when they didn't smooch his butt and gave a tepid response to his drunken toast.

That was the final draw for jeri and he immediately starts talking to various people including reporters about firing Jimmy. He may have sobered up by the time he spoke to Jimmy face to face and offered some kind of BS untenable offer for Jimmy to remain coach, but that wasn't true because he had already called Switzer asking him if he wanted the job and to start considering it. Jeri wanted the satisfaction of firing Jimmy. Jeri was seething and wanted to wake Jimmy up in the middle of the night, jerk him out of bed and fire him on the spot. Jeri was bitter and wanted revenge.

I don't think Jimmy was going to hang around much longer but I believe he was definitely planning to return for an attempt at a 3-peat as evidenced by his comments to Deon during Super Bowl 28 and comments where he didn't think there was any way jeri would fire a 2 time Super Bowl winning coach:



No doubt Jimmy was on his last days in Dallas as he had grown sick and tired of Jeri's meddling and clamoring for credit:



jeri talking out of his backside here and couldn't abide by his own philosophy:



I believe there were growing tensions between the two and the end was drawing near since both were ready to be done with each other.

The "non-toast" was the final draw that lit the fire which caused jeri to fire Jimmy (you can call it a nuanced firing with a caveat but it was still a firing imo)

I believe jeri was pissed and wanted the satisfaction of firing jimmy face to face and did in fact do so (I'm admittedly speculating since I wasn't in there). Jeri may have made Jimmy an offer that he knew Jimmy would never accept to try to soften the blow and give Jimmy a measure of face saving in the public eye. But in reality, jeri only did this to save his own face, not Jimmys, because jeri was so pissed he didn't give two ***** about how Jimmy was perceived and realized he was the one that was going to take the PR hit.

So he paid Jimmy 2 million to leave (Jimmy had a ten year contract and you don't get 2 million when you break your contract and quit). Jimmy went along with it publicly in exchange for the 2 mill but also because I think Jimmy was hurt by the firing and it was a blow to his ego so it not being called a firing is more palatable even if deep down he knew he had just been fired.

Yes, he hadn't stayed long in all his venues but he was the one that got to make the choice to leave in all his previous stops. IIRC, he had never been fired so its a face saving measure to tell the world ex post facto he was going to quit anyway (I said something similar when my junior high girl friend broke up with me). Jimmy was hurt by it and I think it still stings him a little to this day.

So you can call it a "nuanced firing", a "firing with Asterisks" or just call it what it was: A firing triggered by a drunken owners feelings and pride being hurt over an employee who who didn't show him the respect he felt he deserved and because that employee would not also give him credit for things jeri didn't deserve.

That's my take based on living in Dallas while everything went down, following it obsessively and reading several books on the issue with first hand accounts from different sources of the toast incident and subsequent statements by jeri saying he was going to fire Jimmy.

Book Sources:

#1: The Water Boy: From the Sidelines to the Owner's Box: Inside the CFL, the XFL, and the NFL by Bob Ackles

#2: King of The Cowboys: The Life & Times of Jerry Jones by Jim Dent

#3: Greatest Team Ever: The Dallas Cowboys Dynasty of the 1990’s by Ron St Angelo & Norm Hitzges


Screenshots from book #1:

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Screenshots from Book #2

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And if you dont want to accept the above (if you even bother to read it ), here's jeri at the time in an interview discussing this very issue emphatically:

 

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WRONG AGAIN!

Jerry fired Jimmy AINEC

We can equivocate all we want about how Jimmy was planning on leaving, Jimmy goaded jeri into firing him, Jimmy and jeri weren’t getting along, etc, etc, etc but the bottom line is jeri fired him and gave Jimmy 2 million to leave. The straw that broke Jeri’s back was the non-toast where jeri tried to toast a table of people jeri had fired (Bob Ackles, Brenda Bushnell, etc) that Jimmy was also at. Jeri being his typical tone deaf, self absorbed, insecure a-hole self got his panties in a bunch when they didn't smooch his butt and gave a tepid response to his drunken toast.

That was the final draw for jeri and he immediately starts talking to various people including reporters about firing Jimmy. He may have sobered up by the time he spoke to Jimmy face to face and offered some kind of BS untenable offer for Jimmy to remain coach, but that wasn't true because he had already called Switzer asking him if he wanted the job and to start considering it. Jeri wanted the satisfaction of firing Jimmy. Jeri was seething and wanted to wake Jimmy up in the middle of the night, jerk him out of bed and fire him on the spot. Jeri was bitter and wanted revenge.

I don't think Jimmy was going to hang around much longer but I believe he was definitely planning to return for an attempt at a 3-peat as evidenced by his comments to Deon during Super Bowl 28 and comments where he didn't think there was any way jeri would fire a 2 time Super Bowl winning coach:



No doubt Jimmy was on his last days in Dallas as he had grown sick and tired of Jeri's meddling and clamoring for credit:



jeri talking out of his backside here and couldn't abide by his own philosophy:



I believe there were growing tensions between the two and the end was drawing near since both were ready to be done with each other.

The "non-toast" was the final draw that lit the fire which caused jeri to fire Jimmy (you can call it a nuanced firing with a caveat but it was still a firing imo)

I believe jeri was pissed and wanted the satisfaction of firing jimmy face to face and did in fact do so (I'm admittedly speculating since I wasn't in there). Jeri may have made Jimmy an offer that he knew Jimmy would never accept to try to soften the blow and give Jimmy a measure of face saving in the public eye. But in reality, jeri only did this to save his own face, not Jimmys, because jeri was so pissed he didn't give two ***** about how Jimmy was perceived and realized he was the one that was going to take the PR hit.

So he paid Jimmy 2 million to leave (Jimmy had a ten year contract and you don't get 2 million when you break your contract and quit). Jimmy went along with it publicly in exchange for the 2 mill but also because I think Jimmy was hurt by the firing and it was a blow to his ego so it not being called a firing is more palatable even if deep down he knew he had just been fired.

Yes, he hadn't stayed long in all his venues but he was the one that got to make the choice to leave in all his previous stops. IIRC, he had never been fired so its a face saving measure to tell the world ex post facto he was going to quit anyway (I said something similar when my junior high girl friend broke up with me). Jimmy was hurt by it and I think it still stings him a little to this day.

So you can call it a "nuanced firing", a "firing with Asterisks" or just call it what it was: A firing triggered by a drunken owners feelings and pride being hurt over an employee who who didn't show him the respect he felt he deserved and because that employee would not also give him credit for things jeri didn't deserve.

That's my take based on living in Dallas while everything went down, following it obsessively and reading several books on the issue with first hand accounts from different sources of the toast incident and subsequent statements by jeri saying he was going to fire Jimmy.

Book Sources:

#1: The Water Boy: From the Sidelines to the Owner's Box: Inside the CFL, the XFL, and the NFL by Bob Ackles

#2: King of The Cowboys: The Life & Times of Jerry Jones by Jim Dent

#3: Greatest Team Ever: The Dallas Cowboys Dynasty of the 1990’s by Ron St Angelo & Norm Hitzges


Screenshots from book #1:

PI3Cp3V.jpg


3xV6oOV.jpg

12ZPrKX.jpg

sFDmQRN.jpg

oRTx3KM.jpg


Screenshots from Book #2

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A lot of text to still be wrong.

He was not fired. he quit
End of story

If someone wants to argue that Jerry indirectly ran him off by being Jerry and making him want to quit, well, that's different.
 

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I wish he had a guy just as bad as he is as Dallas GM running his business. Man. I wish it so bad....He'd go broke and have to sell the team.
 

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Finally.... the real Troy Aikman hate for Jerry surfaces. I'm sure he still blames Jerry for not having more rings than Tom Brady...and deservedly so. :rolleyes:
 

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Jimmy never stayed anywhere very long

Head Coach Ok St....5 years
Head Coach Miami...5 years
Head Coach Cowboys...5 years
Head Coach Dolphins...4 years
 

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A lot of text to still be wrong.

He was not fired. he quit
End of story

If someone wants to argue that Jerry indirectly ran him off by being Jerry and making him want to quit, well, that's different.

:laugh:

as expected and right on Q

pride is a hellova drug, enjoy wallowing in your ignorance, Its obviously a place of comfort for you

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