Do you guys really think a new coaching staff is going to fix everything within one offseason?

[CouchCoach]

I don't have the answer but I do know it doesn't matter now, change is necessary and this has gone too far down this road to turn back.

Schramm was a far better and smarter GM because when this unrest was circling about his HC, he responded with a new 10 year contract and shut it down immediately. He was also all about keeping distractions out of Landry's locker room and would go as far to keep things some of the players had done from Landry so Landry wouldn't have to act on that.

This GM creates and invites distractions to the point the only time these players know they're on a football team is when they're in a game and even then, we can't be sure. Think Schramm would have called it a sign of leadership if Hardy slapped the clipboard out of Landry's STC or the sign of passion if a player walked off the field before the gun?

So, before I can answer the OP's question, tell me, will this be the players' team or a HC's?

 

[atlantacowboy]

Hypothetically speaking, lets say Dallas gets your dream staff (HC, DC, OC, and ST coordinator). Rather it be Riley, Rivera, Rhule, Meyer, etc.

Do you really believe they can change this team within an offseason?
The new HC will have to bring a modern playbook and a new scheme. That is not easy in itself. After that, comes the players....

As we all know, the culture of the Cowboys is a major problem. A new HC may help with this, but it will not solve the problem completely, especially not in one offseason. Think about it. What is one thing our players lack? Leadership. Brotherhood. Wills to win. Compassion for the game. Thinking as a unit/team rather than an individual.

You look at the Ravens and you see a classic football team. A team that has each others backs (brotherhood). Everyone in that locker room gets along. Everyone in that locker room plays for the team rather than themselves. Everyone in that locker room has energy, passion, and most of all, they have fun at the end of the day. Even though all these players chase money, contracts, and likes on social media, they don't put it ahead of football.

Our players do NOT do this. Rather it be because Jason Garrett allows it, or the culture of Jerry Jones, it will not be an easy fix AT ALL. Look at Jaylon Smith or even Zeke this season. Shannon Sharpe made a good point on Undisputed Today when talking about Le'Veon Bell and his stupid bowling situations. He said "Players today don't care about winning. They could care less about winning. They care about social media and likes." That perfectly represents our team.


Not only does the new HC have to create a new playbook, gameplan, and scheme, along with changing the culture and attitudes of our players, they have to adjust to the team themselves. Settling into a new team is very hard, especially if we grab a college HC. On top of that, our players will have to adjust as well. Some players struggle more than others when it comes to change. That will be our team next year.


On top of THAT, we have like 20 or 30+ players to resign or let go of. That likely means we will likely have a lot more new players on our team through the draft, free agency, or trading. This team may look very different from what we see today (hopefully for the better).


New players, new HC, new scheme, new culture, new attitude, new gameplan, etc. 2021 may be our year, but along with our schedule (we play the NFCW (YIKES), the NFCN (Browns may improve, Steelers look good even with injuries, and the Ravens may still be redhot), possibly the Saints if we win our division, Packers or Vikes, and more, 2020 does not look like our season at all.


I would NOT raise my expectations beyond anything we feel right now for 2020 no matter what HC or player we pick up. If you do, you will be disappointed.

The team just needs a new messenger. JG and this coaching staff have gone stale. The next coach might not have to make any major changes. Hell, we'd have 9-10 wins right now if our HC made better in-game decisions and could get the team going out of the locker room.

 

[LocimusPrime]

No

 

[ICP]

Absolutely not, but at least I won't have to look at that dufus Garrett anymore

 

[DogFace]

When and if we get a good staff it will almost immediately be apparent exactly how bad Garrett was and how much he’s been a major part of holding back several good teams over the past 10 years.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't have the answer but I do know it doesn't matter now, change is necessary and this has gone too far down this road to turn back.

Schramm was a far better and smarter GM because when this unrest was circling about his HC, he responded with a new 10 year contract and shut it down immediately. He was also all about keeping distractions out of Landry's locker room and would go as far to keep things some of the players had done from Landry so Landry wouldn't have to act on that.

This GM creates and invites distractions to the point the only time these players know they're on a football team is when they're in a game and even then, we can't be sure. Think Schramm would have called it a sign of leadership if Hardy slapped the clipboard out of Landry's STC or the sign of passion if a player walked off the field before the gun?

So, before I can answer the OP's question, tell me, will this be the players' team or a HC's?

I agree . Change is necessary now.

And yes, Jerry created this toxic atmosphere that only He could have stopped with resigning or firing.

But he wanted to look smart publicly by leaving it out there like he was waiting on the results this year cause that was playing to fans. Now it’s too late to go back and it’s of his doing.

It’s worrisome that he thinks he can wait and see how it ends cause it’s ruined the season and you cut loose. Which means he could still attempt to resign him. As crazy as that sounds.

I’ll wait until I see who he names as HC and how he allows him to surround himself with his own staff, the off season moves and drafts before I begin forming any opinions. And of course the results on the field.

Unfortunately it’s very difficult for me to assume a change will necessarily bring about more favorable results even if we see some notable improvement.

I still feel while Jason was given ample time was under appreciated for his influence on the Beast and Son along with McClays added role. We’ve looked more like a normal franchise under his tenure except for the frustrations on the field which I’m not sure are all on Garrett.

But I understand at some point a change is warranted and HC are fired for much more or less success than Garretts had here. I always assumed it wouldn’t end well with the Cowboys. And I figured Jerry was Dug In with all the lives he’s given Jason barring a collapse . I guess this is the collapse. A collapse I’d argue more of Jerry’s doing than his but nonetheless a collapse .

 

[Diehardblues]

When and if we get a good staff it will almost immediately be apparent exactly how bad Garrett was and how much he’s been a major part of holding back several good teams over the past 10 years.

Could be but Garrett should also be credited for his vision and influence in helping build those better teams which he possibly didn’t have the ability to maximize.

Much like Bill built a better team for Wade which he couldn’t maximize . Time will tell pending who our new HC is and if we can hold this core of talent together while adding to it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Hypothetically speaking, lets say Dallas gets your dream staff (HC, DC, OC, and ST coordinator). Rather it be Riley, Rivera, Rhule, Meyer, etc.

Do you really believe they can change this team within an offseason?
The new HC will have to bring a modern playbook and a new scheme. That is not easy in itself. After that, comes the players....

As we all know, the culture of the Cowboys is a major problem. A new HC may help with this, but it will not solve the problem completely, especially not in one offseason. Think about it. What is one thing our players lack? Leadership. Brotherhood. Wills to win. Compassion for the game. Thinking as a unit/team rather than an individual.

You look at the Ravens and you see a classic football team. A team that has each others backs (brotherhood). Everyone in that locker room gets along. Everyone in that locker room plays for the team rather than themselves. Everyone in that locker room has energy, passion, and most of all, they have fun at the end of the day. Even though all these players chase money, contracts, and likes on social media, they don't put it ahead of football.

Our players do NOT do this. Rather it be because Jason Garrett allows it, or the culture of Jerry Jones, it will not be an easy fix AT ALL. Look at Jaylon Smith or even Zeke this season. Shannon Sharpe made a good point on Undisputed Today when talking about Le'Veon Bell and his stupid bowling situations. He said "Players today don't care about winning. They could care less about winning. They care about social media and likes." That perfectly represents our team.


Not only does the new HC have to create a new playbook, gameplan, and scheme, along with changing the culture and attitudes of our players, they have to adjust to the team themselves. Settling into a new team is very hard, especially if we grab a college HC. On top of that, our players will have to adjust as well. Some players struggle more than others when it comes to change. That will be our team next year.


On top of THAT, we have like 20 or 30+ players to resign or let go of. That likely means we will likely have a lot more new players on our team through the draft, free agency, or trading. This team may look very different from what we see today (hopefully for the better).


New players, new HC, new scheme, new culture, new attitude, new gameplan, etc. 2021 may be our year, but along with our schedule (we play the NFCW (YIKES), the NFCN (Browns may improve, Steelers look good even with injuries, and the Ravens may still be redhot), possibly the Saints if we win our division, Packers or Vikes, and more, 2020 does not look like our season at all.


I would NOT raise my expectations beyond anything we feel right now for 2020 no matter what HC or player we pick up. If you do, you will be disappointed.

I never had the expectation for it all to be fixed in one off season. that's why I also don't want a college coach try out. trying to fix the culture, deal with jerry and learn the NFL and in the end its a lower probability of success than an NFL trained coach.....meyer, riley and whomever from college as successful as they were at NCAA level, many with similar credentials before them made the jump to HC in NFL and failed. very few succeeded and none in the past 20 years....which is an eon in the NFL.

the problem is the cultural changes will take some time, some house cleansing and some discipline from Jerry not to meddle and allow the coach to do his thing. that's also the issue with a college coach coming in, jerry would see it as a necessity to meddle to help him along.

in the end, all jerry does is create HOPE. we buy into it and few years later, same thing and same process. he has been doing that since 25 years ago. the challenge with garrett for him has been two folds, it has felt that we are always on the verge or there has been good reasons like a bevy of injuries to create the natural excuses for him to stay with garrett. he has run out of excuses and as in the previous 6 coaches, its imploding yet again. and that's exactly what I expect with any other coach for it to implode. its inevitable.

yes, to your point. no matter who the head coach is, including bilicheck...I have no superbowl aspirations for 2020. if we have bilicheck, then its 2021 at best any other coach, probably 2022 and a college coach, if everything works out, all the stars align, then 2023. and probably by then its all going to implode and we will be having the same debates about who should be the next coach.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It is possible, yes. We are a good team, and really are not far off from being a super bowl contender.

you are a great example of someone who buys into Jerry's hope-selling.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think if we get a coach with NFL HC experience the curve will be shorter. Getting Ron Rivera for example, will probably lead to a winning season not not necessarily a championship season. If they pick a college coach with no NFL experience, I think it will take an extra year to two to see results and there is a great potential for a Chip Kelly type downside.

What a competent new head coach can bring in his first year is better game management, situational stuff. But we could see confusion early on as the players learn a new system.

 

[Big_D]

Yes.. gameday coaching absolutely sucks here. Can't manage a clock, zero confidence, no balls. A new coaching staff makes a difference when you're old one has zero experience and is outcoached on a regular basis.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We were last year. But then we also were one player away from finishing more like 6-10.

I suspect this roster is over hyped. An aging and battered OL, great WR and RB. Above average QB when everything aligns and a defense over rated without a pass rush which can’t create turnovers or stop the run.

But I would like to see what greater coaching can do. I tend to lean it’s more about the talent since this coaching took us to the brink last year. And in 2014 and 2016.

We’ll see but if Jerry thinks it’s Super Bowl caliber gives me reason to pause. I really don’t think we are better than any of the playoff teams we’ve faced this season. Maybe we’ll upgrade some of the talent next year as well as coaching.

aging? Smith perhaps, the rest are in prime. Williams is in his second year.....

battered...perhaps....

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Look what the rams has done with a good coach.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

Hypothetically speaking, lets say Dallas gets your dream staff (HC, DC, OC, and ST coordinator). Rather it be Riley, Rivera, Rhule, Meyer, etc.

Do you really believe they can change this team within an offseason?
The new HC will have to bring a modern playbook and a new scheme. That is not easy in itself. After that, comes the players....

As we all know, the culture of the Cowboys is a major problem. A new HC may help with this, but it will not solve the problem completely, especially not in one offseason. Think about it. What is one thing our players lack? Leadership. Brotherhood. Wills to win. Compassion for the game. Thinking as a unit/team rather than an individual.

You look at the Ravens and you see a classic football team. A team that has each others backs (brotherhood). Everyone in that locker room gets along. Everyone in that locker room plays for the team rather than themselves. Everyone in that locker room has energy, passion, and most of all, they have fun at the end of the day. Even though all these players chase money, contracts, and likes on social media, they don't put it ahead of football.

Our players do NOT do this. Rather it be because Jason Garrett allows it, or the culture of Jerry Jones, it will not be an easy fix AT ALL. Look at Jaylon Smith or even Zeke this season. Shannon Sharpe made a good point on Undisputed Today when talking about Le'Veon Bell and his stupid bowling situations. He said "Players today don't care about winning. They could care less about winning. They care about social media and likes." That perfectly represents our team.


Not only does the new HC have to create a new playbook, gameplan, and scheme, along with changing the culture and attitudes of our players, they have to adjust to the team themselves. Settling into a new team is very hard, especially if we grab a college HC. On top of that, our players will have to adjust as well. Some players struggle more than others when it comes to change. That will be our team next year.


On top of THAT, we have like 20 or 30+ players to resign or let go of. That likely means we will likely have a lot more new players on our team through the draft, free agency, or trading. This team may look very different from what we see today (hopefully for the better).


New players, new HC, new scheme, new culture, new attitude, new gameplan, etc. 2021 may be our year, but along with our schedule (we play the NFCW (YIKES), the NFCN (Browns may improve, Steelers look good even with injuries, and the Ravens may still be redhot), possibly the Saints if we win our division, Packers or Vikes, and more, 2020 does not look like our season at all.


I would NOT raise my expectations beyond anything we feel right now for 2020 no matter what HC or player we pick up. If you do, you will be disappointed.

No, but I also don't think this coaching staff can fix anything no matter how long we give them.

 

[5Stars]

If the Cowboys get a new coach he will have to trade Dak to Minny for 8 players and 12 draft picks.

 

[nightrain]

Fix everything? Define what that means.

Do I think a good coaching staff can get more out of the current group of players and be in the playoff mix without depending upon outside help? Absolutely!

 

[Stash]

Hypothetically speaking, lets say Dallas gets your dream staff (HC, DC, OC, and ST coordinator). Rather it be Riley, Rivera, Rhule, Meyer, etc.

Do you really believe they can change this team within an offseason?
The new HC will have to bring a modern playbook and a new scheme. That is not easy in itself. After that, comes the players....

As we all know, the culture of the Cowboys is a major problem. A new HC may help with this, but it will not solve the problem completely, especially not in one offseason. Think about it. What is one thing our players lack? Leadership. Brotherhood. Wills to win. Compassion for the game. Thinking as a unit/team rather than an individual.

You look at the Ravens and you see a classic football team. A team that has each others backs (brotherhood). Everyone in that locker room gets along. Everyone in that locker room plays for the team rather than themselves. Everyone in that locker room has energy, passion, and most of all, they have fun at the end of the day. Even though all these players chase money, contracts, and likes on social media, they don't put it ahead of football.

Our players do NOT do this. Rather it be because Jason Garrett allows it, or the culture of Jerry Jones, it will not be an easy fix AT ALL. Look at Jaylon Smith or even Zeke this season. Shannon Sharpe made a good point on Undisputed Today when talking about Le'Veon Bell and his stupid bowling situations. He said "Players today don't care about winning. They could care less about winning. They care about social media and likes." That perfectly represents our team.


Not only does the new HC have to create a new playbook, gameplan, and scheme, along with changing the culture and attitudes of our players, they have to adjust to the team themselves. Settling into a new team is very hard, especially if we grab a college HC. On top of that, our players will have to adjust as well. Some players struggle more than others when it comes to change. That will be our team next year.


On top of THAT, we have like 20 or 30+ players to resign or let go of. That likely means we will likely have a lot more new players on our team through the draft, free agency, or trading. This team may look very different from what we see today (hopefully for the better).


New players, new HC, new scheme, new culture, new attitude, new gameplan, etc. 2021 may be our year, but along with our schedule (we play the NFCW (YIKES), the NFCN (Browns may improve, Steelers look good even with injuries, and the Ravens may still be redhot), possibly the Saints if we win our division, Packers or Vikes, and more, 2020 does not look like our season at all.


I would NOT raise my expectations beyond anything we feel right now for 2020 no matter what HC or player we pick up. If you do, you will be disappointed.

I am truly of the opinion that bringing in capable coaches will make for a stark turnaround. I have felt that way for several years now and have been sick continuing to hear over and over again about how predictable the Cowboys are. Some fans will try to diffuse it and say "every team gets that", but that's a lie. The fact is that they don;t. Dallas holds a special place in this league when it comes to being predictable, nobody does it quite like this staff.

I think that mindset has held this team back for years, and I think competent, creative, and progressive coaching can turn this trainwreck around, and fast.

That's not to say I expect a Super Bowl in year one, but neither would I rule it out as I do now. Things will be better.

My honest take is that that rationale is exactly why a coach like Urban Meyer is interested in this job. He sees how well-stocked things are from a player talent perspective and has the confidence in himself in that he can coach the most out pf it and achieve far more than this current staff has. That's why he's in the hunt for the job. I've said before that competent coaches view this as a team they can win with, and Meyer is exactly that.

 

[GORICO]

Hypothetically speaking, lets say Dallas gets your dream staff (HC, DC, OC, and ST coordinator). Rather it be Riley, Rivera, Rhule, Meyer, etc.

Do you really believe they can change this team within an offseason?
The new HC will have to bring a modern playbook and a new scheme. That is not easy in itself. After that, comes the players....

As we all know, the culture of the Cowboys is a major problem. A new HC may help with this, but it will not solve the problem completely, especially not in one offseason. Think about it. What is one thing our players lack? Leadership. Brotherhood. Wills to win. Compassion for the game. Thinking as a unit/team rather than an individual.

You look at the Ravens and you see a classic football team. A team that has each others backs (brotherhood). Everyone in that locker room gets along. Everyone in that locker room plays for the team rather than themselves. Everyone in that locker room has energy, passion, and most of all, they have fun at the end of the day. Even though all these players chase money, contracts, and likes on social media, they don't put it ahead of football.

Our players do NOT do this. Rather it be because Jason Garrett allows it, or the culture of Jerry Jones, it will not be an easy fix AT ALL. Look at Jaylon Smith or even Zeke this season. Shannon Sharpe made a good point on Undisputed Today when talking about Le'Veon Bell and his stupid bowling situations. He said "Players today don't care about winning. They could care less about winning. They care about social media and likes." That perfectly represents our team.


Not only does the new HC have to create a new playbook, gameplan, and scheme, along with changing the culture and attitudes of our players, they have to adjust to the team themselves. Settling into a new team is very hard, especially if we grab a college HC. On top of that, our players will have to adjust as well. Some players struggle more than others when it comes to change. That will be our team next year.


On top of THAT, we have like 20 or 30+ players to resign or let go of. That likely means we will likely have a lot more new players on our team through the draft, free agency, or trading. This team may look very different from what we see today (hopefully for the better).


New players, new HC, new scheme, new culture, new attitude, new gameplan, etc. 2021 may be our year, but along with our schedule (we play the NFCW (YIKES), the NFCN (Browns may improve, Steelers look good even with injuries, and the Ravens may still be redhot), possibly the Saints if we win our division, Packers or Vikes, and more, 2020 does not look like our season at all.


I would NOT raise my expectations beyond anything we feel right now for 2020 no matter what HC or player we pick up. If you do, you will be disappointed.

a question--has there ever been a brand new coach come in first year and win super bowl?.....honest question...i have no idea

 

[GORICO]

I am truly of the opinion that bringing in capable coaches will make for a stark turnaround. I have felt that way for several years now and have been sick continuing to hear over and over again about how predictable the Cowboys are. Some fans will try to diffuse it and say "every team gets that", but that's a lie. The fact is that they don;t. Dallas holds a special place in this league when it comes to being predictable, nobody does it quite like this staff.

I think that mindset has held this team back for years, and I think competent, creative, and progressive coaching can turn this trainwreck around, and fast.

That's not to say I expect a Super Bowl in year one, but neither would I rule it out as I do now. Things will be better.

My honest take is that that rationale is exactly why a coach like Urban Meyer is interested in this job. He sees how well-stocked things are from a player talent perspective and has the confidence in himself in that he can coach the most out pf it and achieve far more than this current staff has. That's why he's in the hunt for the job. I've said before that competent coaches view this as a team they can win with, and Meyer is exactly that.

stas--- but i forget who was saying it on one of the shows but....they said....its not the head coach that is the problem its always been Jerry...Jerry must meddle and steal power from the coaches....it did get me thinking when he said that

 

[Tabascocat]

a question--has there ever been a brand new coach come in first year and win super bowl?.....honest question...i have no idea

Recently, Pederson won in his 2nd season and Mcvay went to the SB in his second as well. I am not sure about the past, nothing immediately comes to mind.