Super Bowl or Bust. How long does Mike get?

Diehardblues

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Jerry was up Parcells rear end in October of 2004 after some tough losses to Pittsburgh and New York. This was with a team that released their starting qb and essentially had no expectations once testaverde took over. Jerry essentially forced Eddie George on the roster and then sort of insisted that Drew Henson start vs Chicago.

so I would say Mike McCarthy better get to winning fast. Seeing that Archer said Garrett was fired for not meeting expectations that means McCarthy is already under pressure. He has no room for error and I imagine three years will be the tipping point if he hasn't succeeded.

some Markers that he needs to meet IMO:

Win the east
Win a divisional round playoff game
Win a Road Playoff game ( Not done since 92)
Get to a super bowl.

This is a situation like Dungy and Gruden. Gruden was their to solve the equation Dungy could not and that is the current situation with Mike McCarthy.
Well done .

The future is now!!
 

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Well done .

The future is now!!
Notice he didn’t say all that had to be done in 1-2 years, and note that even though Garrett was frustrated in 2004, he didn’t fire Parcells despite a losing record. In short, what he said does not support your 2 year timetable.
 

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You see them as false premises. I do not.
You are saying Jerry issued an ultimatum without any evidence, and you are saying his ultimatum was directed toward McCarthy (or whoever the coach would be) a year before McCarthy was even in the picture, and even though there still is no evidence.

And you are saying that Jerry wanting to win now is the same as win the Super Bowl in 1-2 years or your fired.

There just isn't a vein of logic running through any of that.
 
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How long does it take to get the right personnel to make it to the SB? Because we aint making it there with this roster. It should take a few years just to get a couple more pieces in place
 

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My over /under is 2 years.

If we haven’t made a Super Bowl in 2 years he’s toast.

If we miss playoffs again could be one and done.

Looking at Super Bowl-winning coaches, most of them accomplish it within five years, so as long as the team is competitive, I'd give him five years to get there. If he hovers around .500 for three years, then I'd move on from there.

One to two years is barely enough time to fully incorporate a new scheme. The players may hit the ground running or struggle picking it up some based on how fast each player learns.
 

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What you want to see is progress in the post season.

Make the playoffs and win a game. Win a divisional game. Make the NFCCG and win it. Win a SB.

That kind of thing. As long as we are progressing and not regressing; as long as we're competitive; he can stay HC forever and I wouldn't care.

The Patriots don't win a SB every season. But they are largely in that conversation every season. Or have been over the last 2 decades.

That's our goal. If we stay competitive, we'll get one or two SBs eventually.

Just like the good ole days of the 70s.

Come on, back.
 

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Notice he didn’t say all that had to be done in 1-2 years, and note that even though Garrett was frustrated in 2004, he didn’t fire Parcells despite a losing record. In short, what he said does not support your 2 year timetable.
It supports much of my thought.

And if you’d read my thread title you’d of interpreted as it was intended . As a question.

My timetable is 2 years . I didn’t expect everyone to feel the same way. My intent as always is to plant that seed. And place pressure from Day 1. I will keep the metal to the pedal on this issue.
 

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How long does it take to get the right personnel to make it to the SB? Because we aint making it there with this roster. It should take a few years just to get a couple more pieces in place
I don't think we are too many pieces away because winning the Super Bowl doesn't require having an ideal player at every position. I think if the offense stays mostly intact most of the pieces are already in house and the coaching and scheme can help get over the hump. There are probably a few more pieces that we need on defense.
 

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Looking at Super Bowl-winning coaches, most of them accomplish it within five years, so as long as the team is competitive, I'd give him five years to get there. If he hovers around .500 for three years, then I'd move on from there.

One to two years is barely enough time to fully incorporate a new scheme. The players may hit the ground running or struggle picking it up some based on how fast each player learns.
In a normal situation I’d agree. Jerry thinks this team is talented enough to contend now. Along with most fans and media. All it needed was basically better coaching. And since they think we have it now I think it’s raised the bar and expectations should be to win now. Go further than we have. Super Bowl or Bust!!
 

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I don't think we are too many pieces away because winning the Super Bowl doesn't require having an ideal player at every position. I think if the offense stays mostly intact most of the pieces are already in house and the coaching and scheme can help get over the hump. There are probably a few more pieces that we need on defense.

so your saying Dak has to be replaced ASAP






J/K
 

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I don't think we are too many pieces away because winning the Super Bowl doesn't require having an ideal player at every position. I think if the offense stays mostly intact most of the pieces are already in house and the coaching and scheme can help get over the hump. There are probably a few more pieces that we need on defense.
Then how did we expect this current roster to make the championship game this season?

Or was that an unreachable mandate ?
Apparently it is for Mike.
 

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Then how did we expect this current roster to make the championship game this season?

Or was that an unreachable mandate ?
Apparently it is for Mike.

Its a change of philosophy in the Type of players , coaches want. Garrett's idea of the right kind of guy should surely differ from McCarthys. Lets see if he can put his stamp on the draft rather than what Garrett and the FO's decided in the past
 

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If I see constant improvement, maybe a NFC champ game in 2 years and continued building, I say 3-4 years.
 

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Neither side goes into these situations with long term in mind. Situations like Belichick, Payton and Reid are exceptions. This is the fewest HC firings the NFL has had in 10 years and I expect it to return to the 6-9 next year.

Big Mike spent 12 hours in the first interview, I would assume the present roster, future needs and expectations were discussed. This team should have won the East and maybe one playoff game but beyond that, I didn't see it. The D is not good enough on a consistent basis. Depends on what they do with their own FA's, other FA's and in the draft to see where this talent level stands going into this next season.

I keep seeing Prescott is not a SB caliber QB so there is that as well.
 
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