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I don't see that elite speed on the field. Last night, for example, he couldn't catch Joe Burrow on a scramble for a first down. You surely aren't going to tell me Burrow runs a 4.29 are you?

He's clearly a good athlete but I wonder where he fits. Then again, I wondered where TJ Watt would fit with us and it's clear we should have taken him.

So pay no attention to me. LOL.
Saw the exact same thing. His play speed last night wasn't anywhere near what his testing will be.

I still love him at 17 though lol
 

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We need linebacking and db's, safeties and interior dline. I even see left tackle and left guard as a need.
 

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I like Delpit and would definitely draft him.

Tackling is an issue i'll admit but I think that is something he can get better at.

I don't think tackling is something they 'teach' in the pros. One is expected to know how to tackle and to tackle by the time one is on a pro team. Some coaches demand it and punish those who refuse to tackle. Some don't. The league is getting soft. DBs are making business decisions.

Look at some of the weak tacklers on the Cowboys. Does it look like anyone was teaching them anything about tackling?

If Delpit has problems tackling in college, it will only get worse in the pros. Fumbling can get better, drops can get better, strength can get better. Fear of tackling and poor angles rarely, if ever, get better.
 

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Isaiah Simmons will be a star

Talk about an incredibly versatile, smart, freaky athlete....wow.
He is rare, imo

That type of flex with sub 4.35 speed and that size...and an All ACC Academic player as well.
Dream prospect if you have a good DC

yes but we drafted a physical freak in B jones how did that work out
 

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yes but we drafted a physical freak in B jones how did that work out

Our idiot coaches played him at the wrong position for much of his first few years in the league.
 

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yes but we drafted a physical freak in B jones how did that work out
Man, I really think you guys are misreading Simmons. He's the epitome of a football player...just happens to be great athletically too. Not a freak athlete first. A football player, by far, first.
I guess time will tell. No need for me to harp on it.
 

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Man, I really think you guys are misreading Simmons. He's the epitome of a football player...just happens to be great athletically too. Not a freak athlete first. A football player, by far, first.
I guess time will tell. No need for me to harp on it.

And the analogy is silly anyway. Jones is arguably a Top 10 CB in this league. The only issue with his development was Marinelli thought it was brilliant to try to make him a FS.
 

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And the analogy is silly anyway. Jones is arguably a Top 10 CB in this league. The only issue with his development was Marinelli thought it was brilliant to try to make him a FS.
Yeah, I was thinking "do people think Byron Jones is all that bad?", but didn't go there.

I do think Simmons is more of a playmaker.
  • Last night, he had passes defended, a sack, and tackles for loses
  • vs Ohio State he got the 2nd int of Justin Fields all season on a long ranging play in the secondary

Dude is all over the place making plys
 
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Yeah.. I'm fine with it either way.

I want a safety who has some ball skills and if I have to give up a little in the tackling department i'm ok with that.

If we want to start forcing turnovers we're going to need guys like Delpit on the team.

He'll get bigger and stronger.. What he does naturally is a rare skill. You can teach tackling.
Delpit isnt a ballhawk though
 

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Delpit isnt a ballhawk though

He's around the ball and making plays in the secondary.

He's a solid player.

I had to defend Jaylon Ramsey on this forum when he was coming out of FSU because people were so concerned about his take aways and ignored his incredible cover skills.

This Delpit guy has some big time cover skills. It's his tackling that is bad.
 

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I don't think tackling is something they 'teach' in the pros. One is expected to know how to tackle and to tackle by the time one is on a pro team. Some coaches demand it and punish those who refuse to tackle. Some don't. The league is getting soft. DBs are making business decisions.

Look at some of the weak tacklers on the Cowboys. Does it look like anyone was teaching them anything about tackling?

If Delpit has problems tackling in college, it will only get worse in the pros. Fumbling can get better, drops can get better, strength can get better. Fear of tackling and poor angles rarely, if ever, get better.

This. It reminds me of Gerod Holliman from a few years back. He led the nation with like 10 picks but if you watch his tape he had zero interest in tackling. I argued with a couple people on this board that Safeties who can’t tackle are liabilities more than assets even if they make plays on the ball. He ended up being drafted in the 7th round and is out of the league now.

Now Delpit is no where near as atrocious at tackling as Holliman was and the willingness to tackle is there but they don’t teach you how to tackle in the NFL like you said.

Maybe his injuries were more of a factor than he let on because his 2018 tape is better but it’s is still worrisome.
 

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He's around the ball and making plays in the secondary.

He's a solid player.

I had to defend Jaylon Ramsey on this forum when he was coming out of FSU because people were so concerned about his take aways and ignored his incredible cover skills.

This Delpit guy has some big time cover skills. It's his tackling that is bad.
Its just something missing with him to me. Something that wasnt missing from Adams, Ramsey or Derwin. Just my opinion.
 

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Yeah.. I'm fine with it either way.

I want a safety who has some ball skills and if I have to give up a little in the tackling department i'm ok with that.

If we want to start forcing turnovers we're going to need guys like Delpit on the team.

He'll get bigger and stronger.. What he does naturally is a rare skill. You can teach tackling.
Lol we need a SS run support..so if Delpit cant tackle whats the point lol
 

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I just worry where you play Simmons. He might be too small to play LB but maybe too slow to play S.

Kid is an elite college defender though. Just not sure where you play him in the pros.... I would guess a rover type.

The best draft eligible DB last night was Fulton, IMO.
He runs a sub 4.4 at 230lbs Lmao.
 

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I'll make it easy....1 on 1 with Barkley can he take him down in ur opinion? If the answer is no then why draft him. Hes the safety and the last line of the defense, tackling is a huge deal. Look at what happened to us this year with bad tackling. I'll take McKinney or I give up a first for Adam's.
 

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we need fundamentally sound players. Delpit struggles tackling. I think we can land a starting safety in round 2 or 3. OR we need to call the Jets and see if they would accept next years 1st and this years 2nd and a player, for Adams.
 

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or lets draft Winfield at 17(yes I know its too high)..but at least we have a guy who is sound at cb and safety. I trust him over Delpit.
 

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He's around the ball and making plays in the secondary.

He's a solid player.

I had to defend Jaylon Ramsey on this forum when he was coming out of FSU because people were so concerned about his take aways and ignored his incredible cover skills.

This Delpit guy has some big time cover skills. It's his tackling that is bad.
So u want a SS in run support that cant tackle?...Dallas needs a SS
 
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