We have a hard time getting to the SB because of draft position

Aviano90

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We wouldn’t be any more successful if Dallas and NE switched divisions.
 

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Nick bosa?
He is one person and was not as good as either Quinn or Lawrence.
Top 10 DE/OLB Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Robert Quinn, Cowboys, 33%
2. T.J. Watt, Steelers, 28%
3. DeMarcus Lawrence, Cowboys, 27%
4. Myles Garrett, Browns, 26%
5. Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers, 25%
6. Joey Bosa, Chargers, 25%
7. Jadeveon Clowney, Seahawks, 25%
8. Za'Darius Smith, Packers, 23%
9. Dante Fowler, Rams, 23%
10. Preston Smith, Packers, 23%

Team Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Dallas Cowboys, 53%
2. Atlanta Falcons, 53%
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 51%
4. Philadelphia Eagles, 50%
5. Los Angeles Rams, 50%
6. Pittsburgh Steelers, 50%
7. Jacksonville Jaguars, 48%
8. Buffalo Bills, 47%
9. Green Bay Packers, 47%
10. Arizona Cardinals, 46%
11. Los Angeles Chargers, 45%
12. New York Jets, 45%
13. San Francisco 49ers, 45%
 

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It's always been the Garrett legacy.

The meaningless wins while losing the games that actually count. How many 'win and you're in' games did that clown gack up? Conversely, how many meaningless 'wins' has he given us? I know we had one against those same Commanders in 2015 during a 4-12 season that did nothing but knock us out of the #2 overall pick. Then we got another one in 2017 in week 17 against an Eagles team that rested its starters before going on to win the Super Bowl. Anyone else remember that awesome 6-0 'win'? Good times, good times. It gave a mediocre coach a 'winning season' and once again hurt this team's draft standing.

And this year? Choke up the division and hand it to the Eagles. but win the next week when it no longer matters.

The Jason Garrett Legacy. Enjoy it Garrett fans.

Playing our starters week 17 against the Eagles when they were playing their backups was the most ridiculous thing- Every Cowboy backup should have been given the opportunity to play in that game so they could showcase what they could do.
 

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He is one person and was not as good as either Quinn or Lawrence.
Top 10 DE/OLB Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Robert Quinn, Cowboys, 33%
2. T.J. Watt, Steelers, 28%
3. DeMarcus Lawrence, Cowboys, 27%
4. Myles Garrett, Browns, 26%
5. Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers, 25%
6. Joey Bosa, Chargers, 25%
7. Jadeveon Clowney, Seahawks, 25%
8. Za'Darius Smith, Packers, 23%
9. Dante Fowler, Rams, 23%
10. Preston Smith, Packers, 23%

Team Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Dallas Cowboys, 53%
2. Atlanta Falcons, 53%
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 51%
4. Philadelphia Eagles, 50%
5. Los Angeles Rams, 50%
6. Pittsburgh Steelers, 50%
7. Jacksonville Jaguars, 48%
8. Buffalo Bills, 47%
9. Green Bay Packers, 47%
10. Arizona Cardinals, 46%
11. Los Angeles Chargers, 45%
12. New York Jets, 45%
13. San Francisco 49ers, 45%

This is obviously good evidence that stats don't tell the whole story.

There is not a single person alive who should realistically think that Demarcus Lawrence was better than Nick Bosa this year.
 

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Playing our starters week 17 against the Eagles when they were playing their backups was the most ridiculous thing- Every Cowboy backup should have been given the opportunity to play in that game so they could showcase what they could do.

But nope' because it was deemed 'more important' that Garrett manage another of one of his meaningless 'winning seasons' that his supporters- including Jerry Jones - can use to try to defend him. I guess it works in the gullible or those not paying attention?

Ultimately, we were right all along, and they were completely wrong. It's just too bad that it took them 10 years to admit it.
 

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This is obviously good evidence that stats don't tell the whole story.

There is not a single person alive who should realistically think that Demarcus Lawrence was better than Nick Bosa this year.
Of course he was. By a mile.
 

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We don’t play in the weak AFC and specifically the AFCE and we seem to hover at around 8 and 8. We have to bite, scratch and claw our way there and don’t ever have the horses to get over the hump.

For where we are drafting McClay is doing a good job. But let’s look, for comparison’s sake at SF who is probably the best team in the NFC this year.

2019: Drafted 2nd overall - Nick Bosa
2018: Drafted 9th: Mike McGlinchy
2017: Drafted 3rd. Overall : Solomon Thomas

That defense is stout for a reason and the running game is good because of the blocking

On top of that they were GIFTED a groomed QB by The Hoodie for a mere second round pick.

It’s no wonder they are the best in the NFL this year.

We dropped about 5 draft spots because we beat the Skins. In doing so did we not only drop 5 spots, we also ensured the Skins the 2nd overall pick and you can bet that one is going to haunt us for the next 7 years or so.


at the time we were still in it so i cant get to upset about winning that last game. I was more upset about losing the previous week but to your argument when you draft in the middle its harder to become an elite team has validity but when you compound that with some of the reaches lately it makes it even harder
 

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The notion of us drafting well is sold by Stephen Jones himself, and is simply not true. We have not had a solid draft since 2016, which is an eternity in the NFL.

We have 4 offensive linemen that are better than McGlinchey, and Solomon Thomas isn't even a starter. I'll give you that Bosa is a freak of nature though. The most glaring deficiency I see is that they have Shanahan and we had Garrett.

Yeah I don't know why fans buy into this idea that we now draft well. They aren't complete disasters like in the last decade but that's about it. I have harped on this for a long time now.

Our 2017 #1 pick is not even here any longer. Our last 2 second rd picks are not good. Connor and T.Hill. In fact, not one single player from our last draft had any impact at all. Our #1 pick in 2018 has serious health concerns going forward and was horrendous last year. 2015 draft was god awful. We take these risks on guys that just don't work out with high picks. Like Randy Gregory. And then Chaz Green the next round. That 2017 draft that was hyped up with all these good defenders we supposedly got, they just aren't good. Especially Awuzie. Wasn't he a 2nd round pick? That is 5 straight years of 2nd round busts.

I think people are still going back and thinking of Tyron, Frederick and Maritn. And think that means we draft well currently. We don't. Will McClay is vastly overrated.
 

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Pittsburgh picked up the probable Defensive player of the year with pick #30 in 2017.

I don't buy the motion you need top picks to make a great team.

People also claim you need to tank for a QB, but the last great QB taken #1 overall was Luck, but his talent wasn't enough to propel the Colts anywhere. then he broke down and retired. 2016 the best QB out of that class was Prescott.
2018 QB class looks like ***.

Lynch has done a good job at trades and FA.

McClay is tied to only the draft to find talent. And it's next to impossible to nail the draft all the time. Especially when scouts want 1 player but coaches want another.

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Very good points on Niners - and how 49ers built a SB contender so quickly and ingeniously without having to tank and acquire an No.1 overall QB.
 

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Funny how everyone playing this Championship weekend didn't say that this previous draft......yet we are?

It's easier for some folks to look for other reasons than to acknowledge the real one:

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GimmeTheBall!

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Look, w he at do you expect? 8-8 seasons since 1997. Mediocrity is our motto!
 

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We'd do better if we had a GM who listened to the scouts instead of coaches who only offer bonehead advice. It's a killer far too often. :facepalm:
 

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We'd do better if we had a GM who listened to the scouts instead of coaches who only offer bonehead advice. It's a killer far too often. :facepalm:
Xactly. A decade of inept coaching has brought us here. Drafting Taco?????
 

morat1959

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IDK.....there are plenty of teams drafting at or near the bottom every year and do pretty damn good ( Steelers, Ravens, ). We just need to stop getting cute and draft the best players. Stop trying to outsmart other teams coz it's making us look silly.
This is a Jones staple for many years.
 

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Now I’ve heard it all

Super Bowl teams routinely pick late with a few exceptions


And btw, we picked 4th overall as recently as 2014
 

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He is one person and was not as good as either Quinn or Lawrence.
Top 10 DE/OLB Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Robert Quinn, Cowboys, 33%
2. T.J. Watt, Steelers, 28%
3. DeMarcus Lawrence, Cowboys, 27%
4. Myles Garrett, Browns, 26%
5. Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers, 25%
6. Joey Bosa, Chargers, 25%
7. Jadeveon Clowney, Seahawks, 25%
8. Za'Darius Smith, Packers, 23%
9. Dante Fowler, Rams, 23%
10. Preston Smith, Packers, 23%

Team Pass Rush Win Rate
1. Dallas Cowboys, 53%
2. Atlanta Falcons, 53%
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 51%
4. Philadelphia Eagles, 50%
5. Los Angeles Rams, 50%
6. Pittsburgh Steelers, 50%
7. Jacksonville Jaguars, 48%
8. Buffalo Bills, 47%
9. Green Bay Packers, 47%
10. Arizona Cardinals, 46%
11. Los Angeles Chargers, 45%
12. New York Jets, 45%
13. San Francisco 49ers, 45%
Ok. Sf defense sucks
 

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2019 pick #17: Dexter Lawrence
2018 pick #17: Derwin James
2017 pick #17: Jonathan Allen
2016 pick #17: Keanu Neal
2015 pick #17: Arik Armstead

Those aren't players who hold you back from winning a Super Bowl.
 
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