Would you take Teddy at under 25 million Or Tak Dak for over 35 million?

[817Gill]

We could move up a few spots if needed.

I mean Tua and Burrow are gone before we even have a chance to trade. You’re gonna sell the farm to go up 10 picks for Justin Herbert? Kids a soft spoken and inconsistent QB. No one outside of Tua and Burrow is worth trading up for.

I see your vision but it would be foolish for a team this good with the ability to make serious noise these next few seasons to just pivot and turn left like that. No rookie QB is gonna give us a better chance to win

 

[Jake]

I find it amusing that some here consider Dak and Teddy as "essentially the same QB" but for some reason they believe you can get the "same QB" in the NFL at a much different rate.

Looking at sportrac, they estimate the value of players based off their actual production.

Teddy is "worth" $20 million a year:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/teddy-bridgewater-14441/market-value/

Dak is "worth" $33 million a year:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/market-value/

So giving Teddy $25 million a year, or 120% above his market value, that would be like paying Dak $41+ million a year.

I am not going to OVERPAY for LESS.

That just simple math.

Stop being logical.

This is supposed to be about feelz, particularly among the less cerebral who think the QB is the only player on the field.

 

[BigStar]

I'm not a big Dak fan but come on...we always like the hypothetical of what other GMs would do. This one would be all Dak
Terry @ 15 v Dak @ 35 makes me pause just for the idea of building ammo to trade up for Lawrence next draft...not tanking (trading outta the first this year etc.).

 

[Flamma]

Dak is 10x better than Teddy. Teddy is a bus driver who can't throw further than 10 yards down the field.

This is how I see it too. I beat Dak up a lot in here but I think Teddy would be a downgrade. Then pay him 25 Mil a year? How does that help the cap situation? We practically pay nothing for our QB now. We'd be adding another big contract either way. I'll spend the extra 10 Mil and take Dak. Short contract, like 4 years.

But in reality I don't see this as a hypothetical that could ever materialize. If the team isn't sold on, or doesn't want Dak, why in god's name would you bring in Teddy at 25M a year?

 

[817Gill]

Exactly. NO beats us? Bridgewater gets the credit. We beat the Saints? Our D gets the love.

These types of double-standards are applied liberally to Dak. All he does is win games his first three years— and his critics point at his lack of stats. He puts up gaudy stats this year in an 8-8 season, and his critics point at wins as the measure to judge him by.

Pathetic. Unfair. Unreasonable. Absurd. Ridiculous. But that is why we are called “fanatics” lol...

Literally the most used logical fallacy his whole career lol. Wins vs Stats

 

[Diehardblues]

I mean Tua and Burrow are gone before we even have a chance to trade. You’re gonna sell the farm to go up 10 picks for Justin Herbert? Kids a soft spoken and inconsistent QB. No one outside of Tua and Burrow is worth trading up for.

I see your vision but it would be foolish for a team this good with the ability to make serious noise these next few seasons to just pivot and turn left like that. No rookie QB is gonna give us a better chance to win

I’m not sold how good this team is without a greater passer.

 

[DFWJC]

You don't think Lawrence faced that last year in the championship...which he won?

How soon people forget

Lawrence had a rough outing vs LSU this year. It happens. His footwork and timing got off for about a half of a game, missing several throws that he normally makes in his sleep...regardless of competition.

But that kid is insanely talented and has proven it already so many times—including totally dismantling Alabama last year

And the idea that ACC can’t produce great NFL QBs because it’s not SEC is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard here in awhile.

The NFL is full of QBs that league...including one of Lawrences predecessors, D Watson.

 

[mattjames2010]

The cost is definitely a factor. I will scrutinize Dak much more when he starts making mega bucks.

That said, Dak has been raked over the coals for 4 years while only being pay $4.027 million total. He was an absolute bargain, maybe the best bargain in the entire league over this time period. That hating, even when we won and Dak played well, had absolutely nothing to do with cost.

And that bargain shopping got us one playoff win and two years sitting at home when the playoffs started. He's no longer a "bargain", he'll either get the tag or a big contract after the Mahomes deal skyrockets QB contracts league wide.

A well-coached team can get a Bridgewater led team to 8-8 to 10-6, I am sure. And it won't be 14-20% of the cap.

 

[Typhus]

No, it's just the ones in here that disrespect him so much.

Disrespect? Is this Facebook social media? I love me some Likes?
Some fans in here actually have proven that they have a good call, when it comes evaluating talent from the couch, the eye test.
Can you pass the eye test...
Its not about disrespect, that's what high school teachers preach what not to do on a daily format these days,, this about rather or not you are good enough to play and succeed at this level.
You either got what it takes or you don't, this is not complicated, and for those with a good eye, they never even look at stats, its clear vision...lol

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Has anybody actually compared their stats? It's not even close. Dak by a landslide.

 

[817Gill]

I’m not sold how good this team is without a greater passer.

I think, with a marginal to slight improvement in decision making and ball placement (two things the West Coast Offense teaches) then we are right in the mix for SB contenders.

Keep in mind this team was the second to worst special teams unit in the league. We missed 11 field goals, consistently got whacked in the field position battle, and never got any positive momentum or push from ST.

We also are one of the leagues worst turn over teams and our defense rarely makes life hard on opposing offenses. I really don’t think improving the QB is anywhere near one of our main focuses to put this team over the hump.

If we did last year over and Dak played exactly the same, but with just average ST and turnovers, this team is 11-5. Coaching schematics, attention to detail, and in game management are the biggest issues, not Dak.

 

[Typhus]

At this point we get it! Half this board doesn't want Dak. But it doesn't really matter because he will be signed. It's not a popularity contest. The personnel people in the organization are on board with him as well as the coach.

Can you PLEASE stop all of the posts about how bad Dak is? I'm sure the other half of the board (me included) are tired of it. It would be different if there was a debate about keeping him inside the club but there isn't. If he fails our team will fail with him so we can only root for him to be successful if we care about our teams success.

Can you either support our QB for the next decade instead of constantly ripping him down. I'm hoping that MM does wonders with him and he leads us to the promise land.

I support staying positive , but I also support being able to recognize the obvious for what it is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don’t think Teddy is the same caliber as Dak and if we kept the old coaching regime then surely hell no, I’d keep Dak. But if MM is the QB whisperer that some say he is, Teddy could be serviceable. I have no doubt that Dak would be fine under MM but it’s food for thought saving almost 15mil a year.

Its food for thought if you save 15 million yes but I don't think the savings would be that much and like I said......that's basically money you'd save on a few role players or maybe a Byron Jones.

Then why are you dropping that much money to resign those guys? The tough decision this offseason is going to be higher end guys like Jones, not Anthony Brown. We can factor the math the form an argument anyway you want. Hell you could say that extra $10MM could be spent on 20 camp bodies that will never see anything more than the practice squad for this team, but those aren't the guys you budget around.

I'm a Dak fan, I just worry that once you lose a guy like Jones this year along with some depth guys, maybe have to make a tough decision on a Michael Gallop soon are you a better team just because you still have Dak, Cooper, Dlaw and Elliott all making insane money?

Yeah but let's be honest. The Cowboys can afford to bring back Dak, Cooper and Byron and more.

I'm not sure where the narrative came from that by signing Dak they can't afford anyone else. Not the case at all.

The decision on Byron is do they want to pay him big time money knowing they won't get many pass breakups or turnovers.

Michael Gallup is years down the road and once again....they have the money to sign him.

Cowboys will never have problems re-signing their big time guys. The decisions are always going to come for guys like the Maliek Collins or the Anthony Brown's...or like in years pasts the Bruce Carters and Anthony Hitchen's.

Would anyone want to resign Brown? I would not or am I thinking of the other corner?

I think Anthony Brown has a real big shot at coming back. Hell I honestly think Brown has a bigger shot at coming back than Bryon does. Not because of skill but because of salary.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I support staying positive , but I also support being able to recognize the obvious for what it is.

And what is the obvious?

 

[fairviewfarmer]

Dak all day long, when compared to teddy bridgewater

 

[Typhus]

And what is the obvious?

You have over 27,000 post but you obviously don't pay very close attention to this board, or you wouldn't have to ask that question.

 

[blueblood70]

if it meant a better chance of bringing back Amari , Jones and money for a Stud TE . S, OR DT in FA, yes..

id take Teddy and Adams

Vs Dak and a heath type at safety etc

you still dont let Dak walk for nothing you FT tag him let his seek deals and the best deal we release the tag and trade him..no way we simply let him walk

im more for a FT now get a journeymen like Keenum or the like and draft a Jhurts, Fromm around 4th etc and start the process of replacing dak with year to see how dak does with MM.. if Dak somehow shows even more improvement, then we can release journeymen back up and have a young backup in the wings to trade or groom.this is the NE way..
sure the DC can go all Rams on thier cap but then what? you have to pay the piper at some point..

this is on dak if dak would take 30 with a built in incentive as in each playoff win is a 1mil bonus and if you win the sb you collect 5mil total for that playoff run..he still get a big contract with a chance to get 5mil added..if he wants to demand 35plus and wont budge I for sure would gamble on a Bridgewater type to get more players in FA and the draft to go for it this year..all in..

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You have over 27,000 post but you obviously don't pay very close attention to this board, or you wouldn't have to ask that question.

I was asking a genuine question because I didn't know what you were talking about. Wouldn't I have been easier to just state that as opposed to posting what you did above?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

if it meant a better chance of bringing back Amari , Jones and money for a Stud TE . S, OR DT in FA, yes..

id take Teddy and Adams

Vs Dak and a heath type at safety etc

you still dont let Dak walk for nothing you FT tag him let his seek deals and the best deal we release the tag and trade him..no way we simply let him walk

im more for a FT now get a journeymen like Keenum or the like and draft a Jhurts, Fromm around 4th etc and start the process of replacing dak with year to see how dak does with MM.. if Dak somehow shows even more improvement, then we can release journeymen back up and have a young backup in the wings to trade or groom.this is the NE way..
sure the DC can go all Rams on thier cap but then what? you have to pay the piper at some point..

this is on dak if dak would take 30 with a built in incentive as in each playoff win is a 1mil bonus and if you win the sb you collect 5mil total for that playoff run..he still get a big contract with a chance to get 5mil added..if he wants to demand 35plus and wont budge I for sure would gamble on a Bridgewater type to get more players in FA and the draft to go for it this year..all in..

What's the difference between 30 and 35 million lol? Its funny though he wants to be paid more than guys inferior to him but I don't recall anyone trying to give him more money when he was getting paid 500,000 a year lol.

 

[Typhus]

I was asking a genuine question because I didn't know what you were talking about. Wouldn't I have been easier to just state that as opposed to posting what you did above?

No offense intended, but to sum it up in a nutshell,, the problems this franchise have can not be corrected by just replacing the coaching staff,, that's a start.
This franchise has much more deep seeded issues.
It gets much more problematic trying to succeed in this league when looking for a "new" franchise QB.
This division on this board really isn't about retaining Dak or moving forward without resigning Dak.
The real problem is that as a fan base we are more than likely ###### either way.