News: PFT: Deion Sanders: They're letting too many players into the Hall of Fame

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Well I have my issues with Deion, but the guy was the greatest CB that I have ever seen play the game. Pretty dam Special athlete or football player, has to be top 3-5 all time that I have seen.
Yeah, I think folk need to actually google Deion and watch him play. Not on Madden by the way. Easily the greatest CB I have seen play the game. Dude shut down half a field. Actually made plays on the ball.
 

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I'm not sure which players you're referring to, Terrell Davis is the one that seems to be talked about in this thread, and Eli Manning is the one Deion mentions in the linked article.

Davis was the best running back in the NFL for several years and a Super Bowl MVP. That's not mediocre.

Manning won 2 Super Bowls, was Mr. Clutch against one of the greatest dynasties in NFL history. Definitely not the best QB in the league each year, but not mediocre.
Your last sentence.

The HOF is for the best players. Not for guys who had a good game or two. When you start putting in guys for reasons other than they were "great players", then you minimize what it means to be selected.
 

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Define "several." TD only had 3 good seasons and was seamlessly replaced by Olandis Gary. He shouldn't sniff the HoF.

Eli is a career .500 quarterback who always ranked near the middle of the league in passer rating - only had 1 top-10 performance. He is entirely mediocre, and skews more towards bad than good. He's what, the 15th-best quarterback of his era? Off the top of my head...Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Romo, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Warner, Palmer, Ryan, Stafford, McNabb, Newton. Even Mike Vick had a passer rating of 86.5 in 2013 at 33 years old. Eli only surpassed that number 6 times in his career, and his average was lower lol.

I mean should Joe Flacco be in? He actually played good in their playoff run.
And Flacco also played great the year before, and Lee Evans dropped a sure TD pass in the end zone that would've put him in the super bowl the year before he won it.

So, dropped passes should dictate who goes in?
 

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Deion Sanders...

A one-dimensional CB, who shamelessly leeched himself onto whichever team was trending up and who was his own biggest promoter.

Definitely one too many.
You are crazy. The man created the concept of shut down corner. Your comments are invalid
 

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Deion Sanders: They're letting too many players into the Hall of Fame

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Deion Sanders is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but he thinks that club is adding too many members. Sanders said on the Dan Patrick Show that he believes there are too many players being allowed...

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Agree with him.
Eli is a joke, .500 passer. How many years did he not make the playoffs?
 

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Deion was borderline? What are you smoking?

In 14 seasons in the NFL, he never had a season without multiple picks. They quit throwing it his way after his rookie year, and he still put up huge numbers.

That’s all great, but his arrogance, lack of loyalty, and poor tackling kind of ruined it for a lot of people. Pure stats aren’t the only measure that affects greatness. Despite his God given ability, most Dallas fans won’t list Deion on their “favorite Cowboy” list.
 

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Over the years, some 'enlightened' folks have argued that Troy Aikman would not be in the Hall if not for leading the team to three championships. They have always presented Aikman's numbers without the rings as pedestrian as their Exhibit 1.

Given Deion Sanders recent comments, I would enjoy seeing he and Aikman in a one-on-one discussion on the merits of Hall enshrinement. I would think things would get interesting once talk turned to why each of them deserve being in the Hall. I say interesting because I find myself wondering what Sanders actually thinks of his former teammate's qualifications as a Hall Of Famer in comparison to some of Aikman's peers at the position.
Being successful in big games is pretty important over all other things. Ken Stabler and Terry Bradshaw are probably not hall of famers based purely on numbers. But then you look at Bradshaw's 14-5 playoff career with 4 Super Bowls. He's in easy. It took a long time for Stabler to get in because he threw a ton of INTs. He had 96 wins as a QB which is pretty impressive but he also threw a ton of INTs. Almost 30 more INTs than TDs over his career. They finally put him in a few years ago.
 

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That’s all great, but his arrogance, lack of loyalty, and poor tackling kind of ruined it for a lot of people. Pure stats aren’t the only measure that affects greatness. Despite his God given ability, most Dallas fans won’t list Deion on their “favorite Cowboy” list.
You don't need to tackle when you take away half the field. Deion may be the best corner to ever play the game.
 

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It’s ironic, because while I agree that too many inductees water it down, I’d say Deion was borderline. While he was so fast and nimble that people simply didn’t play his side of the field as much, he WAS a strutting, arrogant mercenary who tackled like a Girl Scout.

Guys like Eli don’t belong either. He was good, but not THAT good!
WHAT? Deion is one of the 5 best non-QBs to ever play the game.

Deion as a borderline HoFer is a wild take.
 

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You are crazy. The man created the concept of shut down corner. Your comments are invalid

His comments are not invalid. That’s his opinion, one held by MANY Dallas fans. While he DID create the concept of shutdown corner, for many that’s just not enough.
 

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Being successful in big games is pretty important over all other things. Ken Stabler and Terry Bradshaw are probably not hall of famers based purely on numbers. But then you look at Bradshaw's 14-5 playoff career with 4 Super Bowls. He's in easy. It took a long time for Stabler to get in because he threw a ton of INTs. He had 96 wins as a QB which is pretty impressive but he also threw a ton of INTs. Almost 30 more INTs than TDs over his career. They finally put him in a few years ago.
The relevance of Bradshaw and Stabler with Aikman would be a good talking point in my hypothetical Sanders/Aikman one-on-one discussion.
 

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That’s all great, but his arrogance, lack of loyalty, and poor tackling kind of ruined it for a lot of people. Pure stats aren’t the only measure that affects greatness. Despite his God given ability, most Dallas fans won’t list Deion on their “favorite Cowboy” list.
And none of that determines if he was a hofer...its not the hall of good guys
 

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Yeah, I think folk need to actually google Deion and watch him play. Not on Madden by the way. Easily the greatest CB I have seen play the game. Dude shut down half a field. Actually made plays on the ball.
And when he did make plays on the ball he actually returned them. Sick punt returner too with Speed to Kill! The guy was a Highlight Reel of Explosion and High Stepping! No one did it better...
 

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Deion would be saying the opposite if he was not in yet like Drew Pearson.
Deion is the best ever at his position. Drew is not and when he retired he certainly was not considered to be the best ever. With that said with the standards they have in place Drew should be in.
 

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There are always going to be some controversial selections. It is what it is. I mean if Namath wasn't in then Eli wouldn't have a shot. But I think they'll both end up in there on the strength of a historic Super Bowl moment.

No one can agree what a hall of famer is. You have the stat heads on one side and then I think you have the passionate fans who actually watched the player on the other side. A lot of people don't think Aikman should be in the hall of fame based purely on stats.

But Chuck Howley with his 5 first team all pro selections and only losing player to win Super Bowl MVP should be in. He probably would have won two straight Super Bowl MVPs if he hadn't tackled himself on that interception return vs. the Dolphins.
 

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Deion Sanders: They're letting too many players into the Hall of Fame

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Deion Sanders is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but he thinks that club is adding too many members. Sanders said on the Dan Patrick Show that he believes there are too many players being allowed...

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I agree with Deion. There should be no minimum number of players elected in any year. I've also said for decades now that the only ones who should be doing the voting on who gets in are the living HOF'ers themselves. I've always said that allowing sportswriters who never played a down be the ones who decide the biggest honor for a NFL player is ridiculous.
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Deion is the best ever at his position. Drew is not and when he retired he certainly was not considered to be the best ever. With that said with the standards they have in place Drew should be in.
Correct. But once again, if Deion was on the outside looking in, he wouldn't be rattling his mouth off as usual.
 

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NFL HOF needs to follow the MLB HOF.
It's not the NFL HoF. It's the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And no, one HoF has nothing to do with the other. There is nothing wrong with each doing things differently.
 

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Deion Sanders...

A one-dimensional CB, who shamelessly leeched himself onto whichever team was trending up and who was his own biggest promoter.

Definitely one too many.

Whatever the reason you dislike Sanders as a cornerback, you are in a very tiny minority. Just about every announcer, analyst and sportswriter think Sanders is the best corner to have played the game. How often do we hear when a corner is having a bad game and the announcer says something like "he's no Deion" or when a corner makes a pick six and the announcer says something like "that reminded me of Deion". Sanders didn't "leech" himself onto any team. Every time he was a free agent he had at least 6 or 8 teams that wanted him and he chose what team he wanted to play for.
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