News: Matt Holleran: Dak Ranked 8 (Some good points)

johneric8 said:

Prescott was more accurate than ever on deep passes, as his 52.6% adjusted completion rate on deep throws — a career high — ranked third among quarterbacks with at least 30 attempts of 20-plus yards. Prescott’s productivity could have been even better if his weapons didn’t have a season-long case of butterfingers — 36 of Prescott’s passes were dropped in 2019, the most in the NFL.

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My question is, if a pass is thrown behind you and you manage to reach back and get a finger on it, does that count as a drop?

dfense said:

My question is, if a pass is thrown behind you and you manage to reach back and get a finger on it, does that count as a drop?

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Yes it does.

Dak is sticking around, folks. And he's going to get paid handsomely to do so. Stew, you ingrates. Stew some more!

CouchCoach said:

OK, who is John Owning?

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OK, forget John, who is Matt Holleran?

dfense said:

My question is, if a pass is thrown behind you and you manage to reach back and get a finger on it, does that count as a drop?

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No, it only counts when it's a catchable pass.

Irvin88_4life said:

No, it only counts when it's a catchable pass.

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And how do they determine that? It's a good question and evidently someone has that job.

I always thought if a QB threw a catchable pass to a receiver and he blew the catch and it got picked, that should not have counted against the QB.

Man, I've think I've seen more going low and making catches of uncatchable balls this season than any other. The body control and concentration of some of these guys is amazing.

CouchCoach said:

And how do they determine that? It's a good question and evidently someone has that job.

I always thought if a QB threw a catchable pass to a receiver and he blew the catch and it got picked, that should not have counted against the QB.

Man, I've think I've seen more going low and making catches of uncatchable balls this season than any other. The body control and concentration of some of these guys is amazing.

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I completely agree with you, not all picks are the same.

Receivers are doing some incredible things as far as catching. Almost every game it's a highlight catch in there somewhere and sometimes more.

Direwolf63 said:

Dak is far from elite, but you can win with Dak.

Anyone who can't see that either doesn't know the game or has an agenda.

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For me your statement reads more like a factual statement when in fact Dak has played at Elite levels many times throughout his short career.
Put Mahomes with Garrett and a circus environment like Jones has allowed and lets see how he does! Put Dak in a stadium with a true home field
advantage with an amazing front office and coaching and see how he does before saying Dak is far from elite..

You're seeing situational results and labeling a player. Many of us see an Elite Qb whom has been plagued with a dysfunctional situation.
What is Elite? Well it's different things to lots of people, could be strong arm, leadership and character, all of the above, but make no mistake
about it, Dak has the potential to be Elite and has shown it, don't let your hate ruin your objectiveness.

dfense said:

My question is, if a pass is thrown behind you and you manage to reach back and get a finger on it, does that count as a drop?

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The drop rate is calculated on catchable balls. Watch other qb's with dak goggles and you will see them all make inaccurate throws or bad reads. You do realize Dak was one of the most accurate deep ball throwers in the league right?

ABQCOWBOY said:

First, Mahomes hasn't signed so you can't answer that. Second, the team has reportedly already made an offer of 35 and it's been rejected.

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Wow

Aerolithe_Lion said:

Wow

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??? I can't comment on that as I have no idea what it's in reference to.

johneric8 said:

For me your statement reads more like a factual statement when in fact Dak has played at Elite levels many times throughout his short career.
Put Mahomes with Garrett and a circus environment like Jones has allowed and lets see how he does! Put Dak in a stadium with a true home field
advantage with an amazing front office and coaching and see how he does before saying Dak is far from elite..

You're seeing situational results and labeling a player. Many of us see an Elite Qb whom has been plagued with a dysfunctional situation.
What is Elite? Well it's different things to lots of people, could be strong arm, leadership and character, all of the above, but make no mistake
about it, Dak has the potential to be Elite and has shown it, don't let your hate ruin your objectiveness.

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I said you can win with Dak, but is not elite. How did you get that I hate him out of that?

What is elite?

He's not Mahomes
He's not Wilson
He's not Rodgers
He's not Brady
He's not Brees
He's not Watson
He may not even be Wentz

Showing flashes of elite play does not make a player elite. You have to show elite play over a long period to be considered elite. I would not say Lamar Jackson is elite yet because he's only done it for one season.

Dak hasn't played at a consistently elite level over an extended period. As evidence, please refer to the second Eagles game.

I am hopeful that bringing in McCarthy will make a difference. It's certainly better than Garrett and the clown show he provided.

johneric8 said:

The drop rate is calculated on catchable balls. Watch other qb's with dak goggles and you will see them all make inaccurate throws or bad reads. You do realize Dak was one of the most accurate deep ball throwers in the league right?

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If I watched other QBs with "Dak" goggles, I would probably just see over their back shoulder most of the time.

CouchCoach said:

And how do they determine that? It's a good question and evidently someone has that job.

I always thought if a QB threw a catchable pass to a receiver and he blew the catch and it got picked, that should not have counted against the QB.

Man, I've think I've seen more going low and making catches of uncatchable balls this season than any other. The body control and concentration of some of these guys is amazing.

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Stats sites that track "dropped passes" are pretty similar in what constitutes a dropped pass. Here's from a couple different sites and their definitions/criteria to determine...

Drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort." Basically, we're talking about blatant drops,......"Only use this if the receiver is 100 percent at fault and no one else can be blamed for the incompletion," ESPN tells its game charters. "Pass interference that wasn't called/passes thrown just outside the receiver's reach, etc., are NOT drops."



Dropped passes are calculated somewhat subjectively but in general are passes that end up being incomplete but should have been easily caught by the receiver under normal circumstances. Typically, these are the clear misses such as when a receiver is wide open and the ball is caught in his hands but he is unable to maintain control.

For the most part, it's fairly narrow on what constitutes a drop. From a fans "eye test" most receivers would probably have more drops. There's plenty of "that would have been a tough catch, but he should have caught it" types that wouldn't necessarily be considered a drop.

johneric8 said:

Prescott was more accurate than ever on deep passes, as his 52.6% adjusted completion rate on deep throws — a career high — ranked third among quarterbacks with at least 30 attempts of 20-plus yards. Prescott’s productivity could have been even better if his weapons didn’t have a season-long case of butterfingers — 36 of Prescott’s passes were dropped in 2019, the most in the NFL.

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Hmm skipped over dak and saw LEE what the F was Slee doing taking 84 snaps on special teams..these types of vets should be used on positional plays only and keep them helathy and fresh.. our ST were in shambles I realize that but no way a player like lee with his history should be player on ST AT ALL unless its a special play like a hands team or something..trying to preserve Lees career and this is what the coaches plan was ?

On drops all QBs have this and trying to manipulate stats to adjust for it is moot..Dak improved some this season but also had the bad stretch to end the season furthering the "inconsistent" tag that will always draw a line between the group that wants him paid and those that think its crazy..

I guess without all the drops, missed tackles, missed blocks, dropped interceptions, fumbles, and penalty's we would have been 13-3 and garett would still be here LOL

see what I did IF NOT FOR ALL THE MISTAKES OUR COACHES WOULD HAVE HAD A BETTER YEAR AND AS TEAM MADE THE PLAYOFFS AND MAYBE AS PRESEASON PREDICTORS STTED A SB CALIBER TEAM?

WOW that works for everyone using hindsight and adjusting for mistakes and using excuses..)

GimmeTheBall! said:

Blimey.
It pains me to see the names/comparisons of Mahomes and Prescott in the same sentence. Not that you did but the comparison bugs me, old fellow.

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Finkle and Einhorn! Einhorn and Finkle!
Prescott and Mahommes! Mahommes and Prescott!
Can’t have one without the other.

ABQCOWBOY said:

Yes it does.

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No it doesn’t.

Getting a finger on it. Doesn’t make it a catchable pass. If it’s behind but the receiver still reaches back and gets hands on it. Then it’s a catchable pass.

dfense said:

My question is, if a pass is thrown behind you and you manage to reach back and get a finger on it, does that count as a drop?

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lol yes the radius catch zone they use is ridiculous calling a lot of those drops when they are obviously bad throws..

Im walking away,, I just cant handle this anymore,, Mods need to do something about Dak content ,, please consolidate.
This is a good thing,, at least for the wife, Im actually going to accomplish some honey dos, is that proper spelling? lol
Last day of vacation, and haven't done anything all week,,,