Would 3-years, $100 million get this thing done?

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According to yahoo sports he was offered 33m a year and said no. They better get it done soon as Mahomes is going to get his deal done. This is a trainwreck. lol
 

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You're right about the transition tag, no picks. I was thinking exclusive vs non-exclusive tag.


There are reports Dak wants $40M or so, others say $35M so lets say the mid point is $37M-ish.

I would take 2 first round picks for Dak tomorrow. No one is going to do that and then pay him $35M+, that won't happen. If it does great, I'll drive him to the airport if it speeds things up. This is part of the reason you almost never see an exclusive tag used unless it's a top 2-3 guy at his position. Exclusive tags are for the Mahomes of the world.

Correct me if I'm wrong.... The non exclusive tag is $27M. The following year is a 120% raise or about $32M. 3rd year is a 144% raise for $46M. Totaling $105M with the ability to walk away from him at any point. That's probably better than a $100M contract from a salary cap perspective. I like my $90ish million deal a lot better. Dak gets security, Jerry gets about a $15M break.

We can easily tag him twice and not approach the average salary he wants. I realize his cap hits in the early years are less but the back end will be big as well and I hate cutting guys because of that ballooned cap hit in the final years. The real decision could be on the third tag but I'd have gone QB shopping by then if I was Jerry.

Just a quick word of advice, if you're looking to reply to someone else's post, click that reply button in the lower portion of their post. It quotes what they said and sends them a notice to respond.

And your non-exclusive numbers look right, and I wouldn't argue with going that route. Just be prepared, if some cap flush team needing a quarterback like the Colts take you up on that invitation. Then you're looking at matching an offer that might be higher than what you wanted to pay or can afford, or getting back into the have-not's business of searching for a quarterback.

Those two 1st round picks will be nice, but they could be mid to late rounders, that leave you out of the top prospects anyway. And even if you do draft one this year, are you really starting a rookie given this team's win-now approach? Or are you back in the business of signing a journeyman stopgap to keep the seat warm for a year or two?

It's an interesting dilemma no matter how you slice it.
 

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Dak has already turned down more than that so why would less "get this thing done"? I don't even know why there is so much focus on this matter. A deal will get done or Dak will get tagged. Dak will be a Dallas Cowboy one way or another for the 2020 season. Bank on that.
 
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Good face?
You want to sell Jerseys or win SBs?
I never fall in love with any player, and I understand the stigmata with replacing the most important position on any NFL team.
Finding a true franchise QB is like looking for gold with a shovel.
So if your comfortable as a fan just having a decent team that never advances, but is entertaining on Sundays than by all means, do it.
I would be more interested as a fan, more invested as a fan, if I saw this franchise actually invest in greatness,, might take several years to find that gem, don't care.
Ive already been waiting since 1995, and I would rather tear the whole thing down, then mortgaging another 10 years on over payed average talent that will do just enough to
sale tickets and jerseys.

Hence the 3-4 year deal I was supporting. Give Dak a chance in this WCO style and see if it works, if not you send him off to the next lucky team. Jerry and crew may have already drank the kool aid though for the reasons mentioned.
 

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Sure, it's yet another 'Dak thread'. If you don't like that or don't want to talk about it, you're not required to. But it seems like the most important order of business that the team has right now so I consider it a topic for conversation.

Based on what I'm reading, the holdup at this point is more about years than dollars. Dak and his agent know that the cap, and by extension player salaries, will be going up significantly under the new CBA. And teams like the Eagles and Rams realized that too, and that's why they seemingly rushed to get their quarterbacks signed even when they didn't have to.

Now that they have, those teams can pay more now with the ability to save big later on, or to cut bait if things don't turn out as they had hoped. Wentz' deal is already looking like a bargain, at an average of $32 million a year, and Goff's is heavily front-loaded, giving the Rams an out clause if they choose, or much lower costs down the road. Goff's deal averages $33.5 million a year.

Hypothetically, would you do a deal that pays a bit less than that in exchange for getting at some of that bigger cap money down the line? Is this a deal that works for the Cowboys?

It seems like a shorter deal, for a bit less money, and betting on yourself to get at even bigger money down the road, is a compromise that might finally get this deal done.

Thoughts from those who do want to discuss it?

Get what done? Another 3 years of failing to reach the Super Bowl while some fans continue to scratch their heads, oblivious to the organizational problem that has held the Cowboys back for a quarter century? :huh:

"Jerry and Stephen aren't going anywhere,"...and neither are the Cowboys as long as they run the show. Everything else is just a distraction.
 

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Sure, where do I sign? I can throw balls in the dirt and play air guitar (while shaking my hips awkwardly) like Mcnabb used to...

Lmao. Couch potato internet nerds trying to downplay a professional athlete and demeaning his ability and saying they could do what he does.

So why aren't you playing QB in the NFL? Let me guess, you blew out your knee and tell everyone how great you were at the annual flag football games at your family gatherings. :muttley:
 

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Get what done? Another 3 years of failing to reach the Super Bowl while some fans continue to scratch their heads, oblivious to the organizational problem that has held the Cowboys back for a quarter century? :huh:

"Jerry and Stephen aren't going anywhere,"...and neither are the Cowboys as long as they run the show. Everything else is just a distraction.

If you're personally resigned to such misery and negativity, why bother being a fan? Why bother wasting your own or anyone else's time in coming here?
 

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This is less than he'd make betting on himself and going year-to-year with the franchise tag for those 3 seasons. And in this scenario, the team would be able to hit him with the tag after the 3-year deal is up, whereas a team can only hit a guy with the tag so many times before they have to meet his demands or let him hit the open market.

So signing a 3 year, $100M deal would be dumb for those reasons.
 

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This is less than he'd make betting on himself and going year-to-year with the franchise tag for those 3 seasons.

But far more guaranteed money than going year to year, risking injury, poor play, and a reduced value.

And in this scenario, the team would be able to hit him with the tag after the 3-year deal is up, whereas a team can only hit a guy with the tag so many times before they have to meet his demands or let him hit the open market.

A franchise tag that will have ballooned corresponding to a quarterback market that has continued to explode and will substantially mire in the next CBA. He won't ever starve.

So signing a 3 year, $100M deal would be dumb for those reasons.

"Dumber" than risking never seeing money like that if he gets hurt or plays poorly?
 

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But far more guaranteed money than going year to year, risking injury, poor play, and a reduced value.

A franchise tag that will have ballooned corresponding to a quarterback market that has continued to explode and will substantially mire in the next CBA. He won't ever starve.

"Dumber" than risking never seeing money like that if he gets hurt or plays poorly?
First of all, the team won't give him a fully guaranteed contract, so your 3-year deal can evaporate as easily as the year-to-year payouts. It's not worth delaying his fast-track to the open market for a 3-year deal that would be giving the team a break.

Second of all, it's not that much of a risk.

He hasn't been injury prone, so he ain't living in fear of that. He's not a guy with a bunch of concussions. He's not a guy with a wonky clavicle that keeps breaking or some other constantly repeating injury. And he's not a QB who posts RB numbers, so he's not deathly afraid of a lower-body injury or a lost step suddenly ending his career as a starter overnight.

His worst threat is bad coaching/schemes/playcalling dragging him down or a bad supporting cast dragging him down. But considering he's already faced both of those scenarios and weathered them without cratering, I understand him not being that afraid of it.

Sure, his passer rating plummeted all the way to 86.6 in his worst individual season when the coaching was awful and the protection was trash and his receiving weapons were broken-down, washed-up players and one-trick ponies whose one trick wasn't working anymore. An 86.6 rating and a 23-to-13 TD-to-INT ratio isn't elite. But it's not what cratering looks like either. It's not like the season Cousins had in his worst season in Washington, where he posted a passer rating in the 50's and more picks than TDs. Even at his lowest, Dak doesn't flounder like that. Dak's floor is so high it infuriates all his haters in here.

Kirk Cousins wasn't too cowardly to bet on himself and eat those franchise tags for lunch (despite a drastically lower floor and a lower ceiling than Dak has shown so far), so why should Dak be? He's in an even stronger position.

And frankly... if your team is going to be chintzy and resort to tagging you, you might as well make them do it as early as possible.

There's a limit to how many times they can do it. Get the tags out of the way quickly, and then it's never a feasible possibility anymore moving forward. You can't be controlled any more 3 years from now when contracts will be even fatter with a higher cap and other young QBs raising the bar and setting new high precedents.
 

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First of all, the team won't give him a fully guaranteed contract, so your 3-year deal can evaporate as easily as the year-to-year payouts. It's not worth delaying his fast-track to the open market for a 3-year deal that would be giving the team a break.

Really? How so?

Second of all, it's not that much of a risk.

He hasn't been injury prone, so he ain't living in fear of that. He's not a guy with a bunch of concussions. He's not a guy with a wonky clavicle that keeps breaking or some other constantly repeating injury. And he's not a QB who posts RB numbers, so he's not deathly afraid of a lower-body injury or a lost step suddenly ending his career as a starter overnight.

Are you talking about Dak Prescott in this fairy tale?

His worst threat is bad coaching/schemes/playcalling dragging him down or a bad supporting cast dragging him down. But considering he's already faced both of those scenarios and weathered them without cratering, I understand him not being that afraid of it.

Sure, his passer rating plummeted all the way to 86.6 in his worst individual season when the coaching was awful and the protection was trash and his receiving weapons were broken-down, washed-up players and one-trick ponies whose one trick wasn't working anymore. An 86.6 rating and a 23-to-13 TD-to-INT ratio isn't elite. But it's not what cratering looks like either. It's not like the season Cousins had in his worst season in Washington, where he posted a passer rating in the 50's and more picks than TDs. Even at his lowest, Dak doesn't flounder like that. Dak's floor is so high it infuriates all his haters in here.

Is that your label for me now? "hater"?

Kirk Cousins wasn't too cowardly to bet on himself and eat those franchise tags for lunch (despite a drastically lower floor and a lower ceiling than Dak has shown so far), so why should Dak be? He's in an even stronger position.

So it's "cowardly" now? OK.

And frankly... if your team is going to be chintzy and resort to tagging you, you might as well make them do it as early as possible.

These poor guys, starving...

There's a limit to how many times they can do it. Get the tags out of the way quickly, and then it's never a feasible possibility anymore moving forward. You can't be controlled any more 3 years from now when contracts will be even fatter with a higher cap and other young QBs raising the bar and setting new high precedents.

You can also be Alex Smith. With your career finished.

Or Marcus Mariota. Emerging into a market that doesn't exist.
 

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"Would 3-years, $100 million get this thing done?"

JJ would get the first leg of the MM era set and he's gonna have to sign or draft a QB any way, like this offseason

with $75M guaranteed Dak would grab it, he'd be an FA at age 29, and will likely put up better numbers in the next 3 years than the last 3

my thinking here is any way you cut it Dak will sign for $25M/+ a year, guaranteed

then revisit - I can see Dak & JJ signing it

but more likely a 4 year deal, allows for more capology
 

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The only way Dak would sign a three-year $100 million contract is if it was fully guaranteed. Cousins signed a three-year fully guaranteed $84 million contract. Can’t see the Cowboys doing a deal like that. One big reason is because Dak would be looking for even bigger money assuming he played well once the deal is up after the 2022 season.
 

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If you're personally resigned to such misery and negativity, why bother being a fan? Why bother wasting your own or anyone else's time in coming here?

I call it reality. Resist it if it makes you feel better. Jerry is an old fool, and his son has only worked for him - no other NFL team would hire either of them.

But yeah, I'm resigned to misery. No, I'm resigned to reality. Blow smoke up your own backside it if makes you feel good. Let me know how that works out for you.
 

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Lmao. Couch potato internet nerds trying to downplay a professional athlete and demeaning his ability and saying they could do what he does.

So why aren't you playing QB in the NFL? Let me guess, you blew out your knee and tell everyone how great you were at the annual flag football games at your family gatherings. :muttley:
Dude, it was a joke. We hate the eagles, remember? It's what we do. Oh, and God didn't bless me with an arm. I was a RB and FS. I was blessed with moves and speed and I tell everyone how great I was whenever we talk about ANYTHING!!!!!
 

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Guaranteed money is killing the NBA (load management because of guaranteed money), and is the worst thing that can happen to the NFL. I can understand that elite players should be able to command a percentage of it guaranteed, but the lower, the better. It kills any and all incentive to actually produce like the rest of us have to do at our jobs

Load management has nothing to do with guaranteed money. It is so players are not worn out for the playoffs. NBA contracts have been fully guaranteed for as long as I can ferment but load management only became a big thing a couple years ago.
 

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If you did a 3 yr 100 mil deal it would be pretty much guaranteed so might as well make it official
Jerry didn’t hire a new HC to let his QB walk in first year or three
That said the biggest problem with any short deal is it makes it hard to spread the money in different years
Jerry likely knows pretty much what the new CBA will do to the cap
But it’s been rising pretty quickly and if players get a bigger piece of the pie it could even grow much faster
It could be 220-230 next year
I don’t think many are really looking at what that means
Every year the cost of top players goes up because the cap goes up
It could explode with a new CBA because if they get 17 games then there will be a new tv deal
So think about this, new tv deal means bigger pie, players get another 2% means a bigger piece of a bigger pie
In 5 years top edge rushers could be making top 5 QB money of today
A million or two per year on a contract today may literally be pocket change in a very short time
 

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Sure, it's yet another 'Dak thread'. If you don't like that or don't want to talk about it, you're not required to. But it seems like the most important order of business that the team has right now so I consider it a topic for conversation.

Based on what I'm reading, the holdup at this point is more about years than dollars. Dak and his agent know that the cap, and by extension player salaries, will be going up significantly under the new CBA. And teams like the Eagles and Rams realized that too, and that's why they seemingly rushed to get their quarterbacks signed even when they didn't have to.

Now that they have, those teams can pay more now with the ability to save big later on, or to cut bait if things don't turn out as they had hoped. Wentz' deal is already looking like a bargain, at an average of $32 million a year, and Goff's is heavily front-loaded, giving the Rams an out clause if they choose, or much lower costs down the road. Goff's deal averages $33.5 million a year.

Hypothetically, would you do a deal that pays a bit less than that in exchange for getting at some of that bigger cap money down the line? Is this a deal that works for the Cowboys?

It seems like a shorter deal, for a bit less money, and betting on yourself to get at even bigger money down the road, is a compromise that might finally get this deal done.

Thoughts from those who do want to discuss it?

It doesn't really do the Cowboys a lot of benefit to do a short term deal, especially if they believe Dak is the future. Dak is still going to want a big payout and I doubt agrees to a deal that doesn't have the value at or above 35 aav, whether it is short or not. Considering the Cowboys could franchise him for 2 more years and keep the money in that ballpark, one more year isn't worth it for them.

In addition, 3 yrs would be a big drag on the Cowboys cap. They couldn't spread the signing hit out as much as they would like and a three year deal would probably have to be fully guaranteed.

So, while it is a nice idea, I can't see it happening.
 
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