Video: Colin Cowherd: “The Philly game hurt Dak’s value”

Brax · Feb 8, 2020

Whirlwin said:
In that case I totally disagree. You absolutely pay the man. Did you see how horrible Mahomes was. Prescott is a winner Mahomes is Mr. Hail Mary media lover boyYes. Let’s start Brandon Weeden again. LMAO what do people think of the alternative

stop please just stop, this post is border line insanity.

Northern_Cowboy · Feb 8, 2020

percyhoward said:
Go back and read my post more carefully. Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Jackson weren't among the Top 12 QB in YPA on play-action passes, so of course they wouldn't appear on a list of the "same 12 QB" when ranked by YPA on passes without play action.

I wasn't accusing you of anything i was just talking about the stat itself

phildadon86 · Feb 8, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Brady found a way to win the game. Thats what great QBs do. Dak had the better OL, better WRs, better rb.......... if we had got anything from Dak in NE, we win that game.

Who had the better coaching? Our coaching staff didn’t find it necessary to practice outside all week. So yeah. Not blaming Dak sorry

percyhoward · Feb 8, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
I wasn't accusing you of anything i was just talking about the stat itself

I know, I'm trying to help you understand what I posted. Five of the QB you mentioned couldn't be on the second list because that list is only made up of guys from the first list.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you still aren't getting that.

Whirlwin · Feb 8, 2020

Brax said:
stop please just stop, this post is border line insanity.

Obviously some people just don’t understand what’s really happening out there. Most people get it wrong

UpNorth · Feb 8, 2020

Dak has never not had elite talent at all positions around him

No one has had more help

He's never accomplished anything beyond frustrating fans

He's a loser who's been pampered and spoiled

Northern_Cowboy · Feb 8, 2020

percyhoward said:
I know, I'm trying to help you understand what I posted. Five of the QB you mentioned couldn't be on the second list because that list is only made up of guys from the first list.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you still aren't getting that.

I got it my point was the stat itself means what? They were good at play action passes, which might lead others to think that because of that they are the best QB's in the league, which is silly when you try and compare them to the QB's i mentioned

Hawkeye19 · Feb 8, 2020

The CBA being up in the air is a huge factor IMO... Without knowing where the league will be at in terms of revenue sharing after next season-- it would make negotiations on a long term deal very challenging to nail down. I honestly don't think the Philly game hurt Dak's position all that much. Stephen and JJ have fallen all over themselves saying they want Dak to be the long term solution.

I just think there is too much ambiguity at this point to nail down a long term deal that is fair to both sides-- so the franchise tag is the next best/fairest way to resolve the situation.

CowboysFanSince88 · Feb 9, 2020

no TD's in Philly when that was the game for the NFC East.? I believe Jerry Jones was at that game and saw how poorly dak played and knows we missed the playoffs. So why in the hell would he give him anything more than the franchise tag? This proves Dak is either delusional or on some type of medication

Atleast Zeke was holding after a winning season unlike Dak who was 0-7 when the team trailed by 10 pts

percyhoward · Feb 9, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
I got it...They were good at play action passes, which might lead others to think that because of that they are the best QB's in the league, which is silly when you try and compare them to the QB's i mentioned

No, you don't got it. When a QB's YPA on play-action passes ranks among the top of the league, that can skew his overall YPA. So one of the biggest red flags in predicting a QB's future performance is the differential in his average with play action vs. without.

Top 12 QB in YPA with play action
differential over passes without play action
Mariota +6.2
Tannehill +5.6
Stafford +4.7
Winston +4.5
Minshew + 4.3
Garoppolo +3.6
Mayfield +2.8
Rivers +2.4
Cousins +2.3
Wilson +2.0
Watson + 1.7
Prescott +0.9

Differences of +3 yards or more aren't sustainable.

HungryLion · Feb 9, 2020

UpNorth said:
Dak has never not had elite talent at all positions around him

No one has had more help

He's never accomplished anything beyond frustrating fans

He's a loser who's been pampered and spoiled

Yeah this post is so inaccurate it’s almost scary.

DaveRowe · Feb 9, 2020

The choice is up to the Jones. Pay Dak and not see a Super Bowl for another 25 years or shop around for a QB that can play in the 3rd Quarter of big games. Just say no to Dak! :thumbdown:

Northern_Cowboy · Feb 9, 2020

percyhoward said:
No, you don't got it. When a QB's YPA on play-action passes ranks among the top of the league, that can skew his overall YPA. So one of the biggest red flags in predicting a QB's future performance is the differential in his average with play action vs. without.

Top 12 QB in YPA with play action
differential over passes without play action
Mariota +6.2
Tannehill +5.6
Stafford +4.7
Winston +4.5
Minshew + 4.3
Garoppolo +3.6
Mayfield +2.8
Rivers +2.4
Cousins +2.3
Wilson +2.0
Watson + 1.7
Prescott +0.9

Differences of +3 yards or more aren't sustainable.

Which gets back to my original response to you when i said that any stat that shows the guys in stat you posted to be better than the QB's i mentioned (Brady Rodgers Wilson etc) is not worth the piece of paper it is written on because it is a skewed stat. I got it originally

GORICO · Feb 9, 2020

tyke1doe said:
They had the better record. But the Cowboys were clearly the better team. I just don't think the 49ers or Cowboys fans knew how good those Cowboys were. You don't beat the Niners HANDILY (and despite the score, the Cowboys beat up the 49ers) AT THEIR HOME and not be the better team.

Other than that, I understand your point about Dak.

tyke --imagine had there not been the start of "free agency" and Johnson had not left....i bet 5 or 6 lombardi's from that group..?

GORICO · Feb 9, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Agree with you on Dak being greedy. Disagree on your assessment on playing noodle arm Orange Crush Cooper Rush over an injured Dak. Rush would have gotten crushed. As for Dak's shoulder was fine in other games? Uhhh, he hurt his shoulder vs the Rams, which we beat, which happened right before the Eagles game. Remember, Dak didn't practice all week leading up to the Eagles game because of his injured shoulder, yet rehabbed enough for over a week to be able to perform much better (after constant injections) against the Commanders. All the while also playing with a fractured throwing hand index finger.

What more do you want properly explained for you, or are you like many others going to intentionally leave the full context explaining the accurate time situations since it doesn't fit your narrative?

Now i must agree that Rush is "noodle arm"...i do shake my head watching him pass the ball.....all we needed was one win from all those losses....and that falls on the QB in this league...he had outsanding stats...and another thing against him the cowboys point differential ( how much they scored compared to how much scored against them )....no team in history of NFL was ever 8-8 with that high differential....that does not bode well for Dak but he has the leverage and had already threatened not to show up during off-season team meetings and workouts and with new coach Dak has team over a barrel

atlantacowboy · Feb 9, 2020

Brax said:
stop please just stop, this post is border line insanity.

Insanity would be giving Dak a giant cap killing contract after a season that saw him put up nice stats in garbage time and lay an egg with a playoff spot on the line.

GORICO · Feb 9, 2020

rocyaice said:
Well a few things........

You are correct. We needed just one win. But those were team losses. I'm sorry. It was a team failure. From coaches down to the players.

In regards to money....its about knowing your worth. He's been severely underpaid and has played without a peep. When its time to paid he's now being short changed by a few million? From a billionaire? Its a spit in the face.

rocy--- ok i can see that point you made...but also consider the team has a "cap"....and those few extra million could buy us quality players to help Dak....but i do agree it was a team failure this year....man we looked so strong in our first 3 games...and it dont matter if competition not as tough because this is NFL....every team is tough and can beat any team on given sunday....so i think maybe most of blame goes on coaching....we had the personnel...ii am glad we got McCarthy...and the rest of the crew he brought in....several of his assistants were HC at one time too....so they know how this stuff works

cowboy_ron · Feb 9, 2020

Whirlwin said:
Obviously some people just don’t understand what’s really happening out there. Most people get it wrong

Why don't you just explain it to us that aren't nearly as smart as you are so we can all understand it.

percyhoward · Feb 9, 2020

Northern_Cowboy said:
Which gets back to my original response to you when i said that any stat that shows the guys in stat you posted to be better than the QB's i mentioned (Brady Rodgers Wilson etc) is not worth the piece of paper it is written on because it is a skewed stat.

But very few people (if any) are just going to look at the first list and see it as a list of the best QB in football. You're basically ignoring the second list in order to make a point that's already obvious anyway.

What did you think the second list was for?

Bullflop · Feb 9, 2020

Colin Cowherd makes some well-considered points within this video.

I wouldn't blame the Cowboys at all for going the franchise tag route.

Additionally, I couldn't blame Dak, either, for canning his agent today.

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