The Cowboys should sign Keenum, and let Dak decide what to do next

Hadenough

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Carson Wentz led the Eagles to a playoff berth before getting hurt. He earned his ring. But he earned his pay with his play in 2019 when he took the team on his shoulders and won the NFC East while much of his offense were injured- and he beat Dak Prescott when it counted to do so.
Wentz did earn that ring! He was playing like a top 5 QB before he went down.
 

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Don't forget Dak led the team to 13-3 and we lost to the Packers because of the coaches. Dak walked Aaron Rogers down tied the game up and Garrett pulled a Shanahan type clock management move. If I remember correctly Garrett played for the tie instead of going for the win. Carson gets more credit for his 11-12 games that Super Bowl year than Dak does for our 13-3 simply because the Eagles reached their desired result. A result that was eventually achieved by Foles. Those years are even to me. Dak did it as a rookie.

Nobody mentions Dak Prescott won Rookie of the Year!!!
Dak's resume is better. Wentz's team was better.
watch, he is trying to avoid the coaching, he absolutely absolutely hates garrett and for 10 years constantly said, he is not even a first grade level coach....he tried to spin the playoff loss and lack of coaching in playoffs to regular season and some stupid comment about Dak….he has no answer for that one and is cornered...so his best move is silence and he will not answer the garrett question
 

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  • None of those three play for Dallas.
  • All three have been to a Super Bowl.
  • Wentz outplayed Prescott to win the NFC East this past season with most of his team injured.
  • Dak has struggled to win consistently in the weakest division in the NFL.
  • Dak has struggled vs teams with winning records, but plays well against weak opponents.
  • Dak has not proven that he can be relied on to make the team better by his leadership.
  • Dak is the same quarterback he was in college; getting erratic when he is pressured.
If any of those are the reason(s) you were thinking of, you might be right.
But if you're implying what I think you are implying, that is certainly no reason to pay big money to a guy, just to make you feel like it's fair.
Maybe if he could play well enough to win the East when it only would've taken eight wins it might not be a problem to justify some higher pay.
I don't think anyone hates Dak, but he just hasn't played well enough to justify being paid like a marquee quarterback- yet.
If Deshaun Watson was the quarterback in Dallas, I doubt anyone would complain about what he was paid.
^ Agenda rich.
 

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Case Keenum is likely done in the NFL..but, I would def. give him a look. Colt McCoy is another. We have nothing behind Dak. If he goes down, we go down.
 

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Phil Rivers may just retire or decide to play 2 more years. I have a hunch he wants to start and so that takes him out of the convo here in Dallas. I think a good landing spot for him would be Tampa Bay. Bruce Arians LOVES a vet QB that's older and trusts guys like that. Jameis Winston will be cut or traded. WATCH OUT FOR TAMPA GETTING HIM. Rivers in Tampa with those receivers and tightends would be high octane offense.
 

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Phil Rivers may just retire or decide to play 2 more years. I have a hunch he wants to start and so that takes him out of the convo here in Dallas. I think a good landing spot for him would be Tampa Bay. Bruce Arians LOVES a vet QB that's older and trusts guys like that. Jameis Winston will be cut or traded. WATCH OUT FOR TAMPA GETTING HIM. Rivers in Tampa with those receivers and tightends would be high octane offense.
Plus, TB has been getting a good D together, rising up from 27th in 2018 to 15th this last season.

W/ another draft n some FA's added, Rivers would make TB a legit contender.
 

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The QBs that people think will be available are rather striking to me.

Ryan Tannehill is not going anywhere. He will get a solid deal to not go anywhere.
Drew Brees will certainly not be available and none of the rest are any good.
Philip is 38 and looked done. He looked like Eli Manning out there last season.
Case Keenum is a glorified backup with 4 good games in his career that got him an inflated contract or as we call it Nick Foles syndrome and before that Matt Flynn syndrome.
Tom Brady is either not going anywhere or going to SF (which if he does means you might get Jimmy who is also a downgrade) because he needs elite OLine and a strong TE.
Winston is a downgrade by a wide margin (seriously he threw 30 bloody INTs).
Marcus Mariotta lost his job to Ryan bloody Tannehill also known as a guy not good enough to be the DOLPHINS QB.
Teddy Bridgewater is never healthy ever so is probably another career backup.

That basically leaves you with the draft and I could break down how the average first round QB is about as good as Mitch Trubisky but I do not want to make this post more depressing. The reason QBs get paid what they do is that you cannot win without them and there are not enough of them to go around. There are maybe 20-23 real starters in the NFL at the moment and 32 teams (and I am counting rookie deals that we cannot judge yet) which kind of leaves the math in the favor of the QB.
My issue with this thinking is..

you have to have a very established coaching staff like Andy Reid to afford to just stay with a middle rated QB.

Otherwise every year you need to keep drafting and trading until you find your guy at QB.

KC traded their QB to Washington after several seasons of falling short in the playoffs.

This had to be a risk but now look where they are..

Champions.

As a franchise we lack that sort of philosophy.

We want to find a QB who will play for 10 years. That is just not feasible in today's NFL.

I think QBs should be only a 5 year shelf life. Either they win and advance the team or they do not.

If they do and play like Warren Moon and you keep him another 5 years..

or you go shopping.

And you should always be willing to shop.

Things have changed. Hopefully McCarthy sees it has changed and makes QB development more flexible.
 

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My issue with this thinking is..

you have to have a very established coaching staff like Andy Reid to afford to just stay with a middle rated QB.

Otherwise every year you need to keep drafting and trading until you find your guy at QB.

KC traded their QB to Washington after several seasons of falling short in the playoffs.

This had to be a risk but now look where they are..

Champions.

As a franchise we lack that sort of philosophy.

We want to find a QB who will play for 10 years. That is just not feasible in today's NFL.

I think QBs should be only a 5 year shelf life. Either they win and advance the team or they do not.

If they do and play like Warren Moon and you keep him another 5 years..

or you go shopping.

And you should always be willing to shop.

Things have changed. Hopefully McCarthy sees it has changed and makes QB development more flexible.
I don't necessarily disagree, but due to a horrific coaching staff, we really don't know what Dak is.
 

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Yaknow, if the OP had suggested signing Keenum as a backup, and in the scenario if Dak moves on, I'd agree.
 

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My issue with this thinking is..

you have to have a very established coaching staff like Andy Reid to afford to just stay with a middle rated QB.

Otherwise every year you need to keep drafting and trading until you find your guy at QB.

KC traded their QB to Washington after several seasons of falling short in the playoffs.

This had to be a risk but now look where they are..

Champions.

As a franchise we lack that sort of philosophy.

We want to find a QB who will play for 10 years. That is just not feasible in today's NFL.

I think QBs should be only a 5 year shelf life. Either they win and advance the team or they do not.

If they do and play like Warren Moon and you keep him another 5 years..

or you go shopping.

And you should always be willing to shop.

Things have changed. Hopefully McCarthy sees it has changed and makes QB development more flexible.

Have they changed though? Yes the Chiefs hit on their shot but its like saying hitting on 19 in blackjack is a good move because you got a 2.

In the past few years here are the teams that have bet and lost on a 1st round QB (ignoring last years class because too soon to tell): Bills (arguably twice) (Manuel, Allen), Cardinals (Rosen), Browns (Mayfield, ol Johnny Football), Bears (Mitch), Broncos (Lynch), Jags (Bortles), Titans (Marriota), Bucs (Winston), Vikings(Bridgewater).

You have 4 successes in Wentz, Mahomes, Jackson, and Watson and you have two unknowns in Darnold and honestly Goff to me is a giant unknown (somtimes he looks good and sometimes he looks like a bona side scrub).

So you have at best 6 unknown or higher and 11 failures (and by the way is anyone really that scared of Jones or especially Haskins). Those are not odds you want to play when failure is such a hindrance. Before you cite that Arizona MIGHT have a hit in Murray the cost of the gamble is they do not have Bosa who was certainly a hit. You get a QB you pay a QB because 66% of the time you bomb out in the draft and those numbers have not changed no matter how far back we go and it gets worse not better if I expand to the first 2 rounds or first 3 rounds.
 

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Have they changed though? Yes the Chiefs hit on their shot but its like saying hitting on 19 in blackjack is a good move because you got a 2.

In the past few years here are the teams that have bet and lost on a 1st round QB (ignoring last years class because too soon to tell): Bills (arguably twice) (Manuel, Allen), Cardinals (Rosen), Browns (Mayfield, ol Johnny Football), Bears (Mitch), Broncos (Lynch), Jags (Bortles), Titans (Marriota), Bucs (Winston), Vikings(Bridgewater).

You have 4 successes in Wentz, Mahomes, Jackson, and Watson and you have two unknowns in Darnold and honestly Goff to me is a giant unknown (somtimes he looks good and sometimes he looks like a bona side scrub).

So you have at best 6 unknown or higher and 11 failures (and by the way is anyone really that scared of Jones or especially Haskins). Those are not odds you want to play when failure is such a hindrance. Before you cite that Arizona MIGHT have a hit in Murray the cost of the gamble is they do not have Bosa who was certainly a hit. You get a QB you pay a QB because 66% of the time you bomb out in the draft and those numbers have not changed no matter how far back we go and it gets worse not better if I expand to the first 2 rounds or first 3 rounds.
Yeah, understood.

Drafting is a crap shoot.

That's why I also said FA as a source and the staff to make it work.

McCarthy probably has the experience and now the support in Dallas to do whatever is needed to fix this team.

But as a fanbase we are about to find out just how good we are. We have had so much going on with the Jones' working behind the scenes thru Garrett..

that now having a HC with real leadership ability in McCarthy may expose some lousy reality about how good we really are.

That may not be fun or pretty in the days ahead.

We shall definitely see soon enough.
 

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Have they changed though? Yes the Chiefs hit on their shot but its like saying hitting on 19 in blackjack is a good move because you got a 2.

In the past few years here are the teams that have bet and lost on a 1st round QB (ignoring last years class because too soon to tell): Bills (arguably twice) (Manuel, Allen), Cardinals (Rosen), Browns (Mayfield, ol Johnny Football), Bears (Mitch), Broncos (Lynch), Jags (Bortles), Titans (Marriota), Bucs (Winston), Vikings(Bridgewater).

You have 4 successes in Wentz, Mahomes, Jackson, and Watson and you have two unknowns in Darnold and honestly Goff to me is a giant unknown (somtimes he looks good and sometimes he looks like a bona side scrub).

So you have at best 6 unknown or higher and 11 failures (and by the way is anyone really that scared of Jones or especially Haskins). Those are not odds you want to play when failure is such a hindrance. Before you cite that Arizona MIGHT have a hit in Murray the cost of the gamble is they do not have Bosa who was certainly a hit. You get a QB you pay a QB because 66% of the time you bomb out in the draft and those numbers have not changed no matter how far back we go and it gets worse not better if I expand to the first 2 rounds or first 3 rounds.

Well said.
 

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  • Wentz started with a new head coach and the Eagles had to completely rebuild, and became a Super Bowl Champion. Dak started with a team expecting to compete for a Super Bowl and the best running back in the NFL and the best offensive line and got worse instead of better.
  • Dak is basically 8-8 twice; the 9-7 season would've been 8-8 if the Eagles hadn't rested their starters in week 17.
  • And yes; Garrett was terrible; I think he taught a bad culture to Dak, which is why he's not able to get past tough teams. I do think a lot of Garrett is engrained in Dak- including not having to earn his spot.
  • Comeback wins don't mean much when the team is sitting at home in January. Winning when it matters does.
  • Dak went head to head with Wentz when the 2019 season was on the line and the Eagles were crippled by injuries. Wentz proved to be the better quarterback, by far.
Wentz has had to deal with a broken bone in his back and torn acl and it takes time to recover from those injuries plus Wentz didnt have any WRs in his rookie year. I remember that 2017 when Dak was pummeled against Atlanta in a very much needed game to try and stay relevant in the NFC east. The next week was such an important game against the Chargers and Dak played bad as the Chargers crushed the Cowboys. Then with Dallas so desperately needing a win they played the Eagles and Dak stunk it up again while Wentz hung 30 and it could of been more as the Eagles took a knee inside the 10 to end the game. When Wentz is healthy he is capable of beating anybody. Dak hasnt proven that yet. Daks big wins always involve Zeke having big rushing yards.
 
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