Was McCarthy the logical hire or just a feel good after Garrett?

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I thought Parcells got far too conservative in his old age too. Everything had to be "reigned in", and his 3-4 defense became paint by numbers predictable.
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Parcells thought it was too smart for the room. He prided himself on the later round picks and thought he was the crafty one.

My problem with him was thinking he was smarter then the other HC, thought he would out maneuver him in advance. He didn't wait for them to stop doing something, he stopped it in anticipation of them stopping it.

I was ready for a change after SEA. They get two guys off the street, one was Pete Hunter, to play Safety and he doesn't go after that? That game never should have come down to a botched snap because he was all about "keeping it close until the 4Q".

As a HC, I liked Parcells pc's because they were entertaining but as a HC in the game, I thought he was only as good as his DC, Belichick. He talked a better game than he coached and his conservative approach gave him that .500 record in Dallas. That and a D the team should have never adopted without getting the right personnel. He does get credit for our best D FA player of all time, Glover. But then he also gets credit for taking Spears with a 1st and actually wanted him over Ware.

But one thing I liked about Parcells is the same thing I like about McC, they look like football coaches oughta look. I liked that about Madden too. Guys that can't keep a shirt tucked in.
 
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We’ve been over this before Coach. Now you’re boring me. Being a Cowboy fan doesn’t have to be fun. You think it’s been fun being a Baylor fan for 60 years.

But yes Jerry is part of the deal. And I’ve accepted it and why I’m without much hope. Fat Mikey hasn’t saved us yet. But you’re really ate up with him. OMG.

And everything with the Cowboys always comes back to Jerry. That’s of his choosing not mine. I’ve never wavered from that.

We have enough evidence to insinuate Jerry is still meddling . Who needs absolute proof? You don’t have proof he’s not. You’ve even admitted .
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Try being a Longhorn!
 
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Did you not notice they loaded up last year on D in FA?
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Those Smith Brothers DE's are the reason they made the playoffs. Without them and a good LB, Martinez, they wouldn't have made it.

That's one thing we seldom know about HC's and their say over personnel, except for Belichick, Carroll and Reid. Many get the cards dealt with a "play these" which is why Belichick chose NE over the Jets after his stint in CLE.
 
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Who are you talking out? The question was about why Parcells wasn't more successful in Dallas.

There aren't any HC candidates without warts that have been around. You stated you didn't have one, were you planning on taking the case against any hired? I assumed if you didn't like McC, you had a different horse in the race like Rhule maybe?

And Greg, I disagree with your stance that you don't have to have a solution that you can just point out the problem. Most here if they bring up a problem, they have some sort of suggestion about a solution or another approach, not just I don't like this! Fix it, fix it now!

You don't like McC but you don't like anyone else better. I was prepared for someone else that I probably wouldn't like, Meyer for instance, but I was going to wait to see what happened before taking shots at him.

And to your last point? Yes, anyone but Garrett is better at this point, he was poison in the wine. It had just gone on too long and weren't you tired of all the clapping crap, we needed a new game in town. And I had never been a Garrett attacker until Atlanta. No man deserves to be a HC in the NFL after that debacle.
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I don’t need to know how to fix a car to know it needs service. I don’t need to know how to cook to know the steak is over cooked or suks. I don’t need to name a better GM to know Jerry suks. I can go all day if you like. We criticize actors without naming who’d be better in that role. On and on and on I could go.


Im not really that opposed to McC. I just don’t like the rhetoric that he’s saved us. He hasn’t done anything yet. When he does save us from Jerry’s doom then I’ll get on the mountain top and applaud.

This hatred over Garrett when he did no worse than anyone else is what drives me. And until FM does more he will feel my wrath with this circle jerking over him without any results.

Garrett was all about Jerry anyway. Just watch how he hated to let him go when he should have years ago. That’s all on Jerry. The lack of hope has been all about Jerry not Jason.

I’m going to call it out. If FM is all that then the bar should be raised more than for the perfect puppet. Otherwise I’m not going to be pleased with similar results just because we supposedly have a better HC which would reek of agenda and BS.
 
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Parcells thought it was too smart for the room. He prided himself on the later round picks and thought he was the crafty one.

My problem with him was thinking he was smarter then the other HC, thought he would out maneuver him in advance. He didn't wait for them to stop doing something, he stopped it in anticipation of them stopping it.

I was ready for a change after SEA. They get two guys off the street, one was Pete Hunter, to play Safety and he doesn't go after that? That game never should have come down to a botched snap because he was all about "keeping it close until the 4Q".
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That was pretty awful. But all most remember is that snap.

As a HC, I liked Parcells pc's because they were entertaining but as a HC in the game, I thought he was only as good as his DC, Belichick. He talked a better game than he coached and his conservative approach gave him that .500 record in Dallas. That and a D the team should have never adopted without getting the right personnel. He does get credit for our best D FA player of all time, Glover. But then he also gets credit for taking Spears with a 1st and actually wanted him over Ware.
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And again, I think he hit too conservative in his old age. With his defense, with 'reigning in' Payton and Romo as well. And as you mentioned, that 'keep it close until the 4th' mentality.

But he gets my credit for ultimately fielding a far more talented team than what he inherited.

But one thing I liked about Parcells is the same thing I like about McC, they look like football coaches oughta look. I liked that about Madden too. Guys that can't keep a shirt tucked in.
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And don't care to, because they're worried about far more important things than how they look.
 
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Diehardblues said:
We’ve been over this before Coach. Now you’re boring me. Being a Cowboy fan doesn’t have to be fun. You think it’s been fun being a Baylor fan for 60 years.

But yes Jerry is part of the deal. And I’ve accepted it and why I’m without much hope. Fat Mikey hasn’t saved us yet. But you’re really ate up with him. OMG.

And everything with the Cowboys always comes back to Jerry. That’s of his choosing not mine. I’ve never wavered from that.

We have enough evidence to insinuate Jerry is still meddling . Who needs absolute proof? You don’t have proof he’s not. You’ve even admitted .
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There is no real proof of anything at this time. Posters usually believe what they want to believe.

I am not ate up with McC, he was one of two I wanted but didn't know Rivera had been talking to Snyder for weeks and was not in the running. I wanted a NFL HC with experience because of Booger. I didn't want some guy that's going to need to ramp up from college or a guy that's going to have to win the team over to get their attention.

I wanted a new sheriff in town and those two were the best I saw unless Cowher wanted to come back in. I wanted a no nonsense guy that can command a locker room and keep the eyes on him, not straying to the Joneses to see what they think. Is McC that guy? I don't know but I think he's got a chance compared to some coordinator in his first HC gig or a college guy.

His team goes to the NFCCG the year after he's fired so he's the problem? Rodgers didn't have a better year than in 2018, the difference was they picked up those two Smith Brothers DE's and featured the RB because Rodgers didn't have a choice and LeBlanc wasn't that close to him like McC had been. Think Rodgers felt comfortable enough with LeBlanc to shout at him on the sideline?

He comes with warts, he got fired. His offense lacked imagination and he got crossways with a 30M QB and local hero. But he spent the year assessing himself, not just other teams that might be in a HC search after the season. He looked at himself and had some others do the same. He didn't play that "I was right and they were wrong" card and put that year to good use. And I think what he learned about himself and what he needed to change is what that 12 hour interview was all about. Mike McCarthy didn't come for an interview, he came to sell Mike McCarthy and he found a buyer. And I am buying him as well, so what if I am wrong? I thought Garrett had all the right qualifications too. I thought Parcells would do better.

The difference between us is I think that guy deserves a chance and you're raining on him before he even finds his office. I could see that if you had your own guy but you don't. You just don't like him and proved that with a derogatory nickname.

Greg, were you going to like any HC that Booger hired?
 
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Try being a Longhorn!
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To hell with that, try being a Razorback. Fans park at the stadium to go to the area restaurants. No one will admit to actually attending a game last season and have asked friends to lie about their whereabouts on gamedays. They have to pay the cheerleaders to show up and then they still refuse to "call the Hogs". They had to have "Free Car Night" at homecoming, every fan got a new car. They gave away 3.
 
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To hell with that, try being a Razorback. Fans park at the stadium to go to the area restaurants. No one will admit to actually attending a game last season and have asked friends to lie about their whereabouts on gamedays. They have to pay the cheerleaders to show up and then they still refuse to "call the Hogs". They had to have "Free Car Night" at homecoming, every fan got a new car. They gave away 3.
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:lmao: No way I can compete with that! You win!
 
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CouchCoach said:
Those Smith Brothers DE's are the reason they made the playoffs. Without them and a good LB, Martinez, they wouldn't have made it.

That's one thing we seldom know about HC's and their say over personnel, except for Belichick, Carroll and Reid. Many get the cards dealt with a "play these" which is why Belichick chose NE over the Jets after his stint in CLE.
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We do know that McCarthy had little to zero say in personnel in Green Bay so it's unfair to say he couldn't field a good D when his GM wouldn't field him a good D.
 
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There is no real proof of anything at this time. Posters usually believe what they want to believe.

I am not ate up with McC, he was one of two I wanted but didn't know Rivera had been talking to Snyder for weeks and was not in the running. I wanted a NFL HC with experience because of Booger. I didn't want some guy that's going to need to ramp up from college or a guy that's going to have to win the team over to get their attention.

I wanted a new sheriff in town and those two were the best I saw unless Cowher wanted to come back in. I wanted a no nonsense guy that can command a locker room and keep the eyes on him, not straying to the Joneses to see what they think. Is McC that guy? I don't know but I think he's got a chance compared to some coordinator in his first HC gig or a college guy.

His team goes to the NFCCG the year after he's fired so he's the problem? Rodgers didn't have a better year than in 2018, the difference was they picked up those two Smith Brothers DE's and featured the RB because Rodgers didn't have a choice and LeBlanc wasn't that close to him like McC had been. Think Rodgers felt comfortable enough with LeBlanc to shout at him on the sideline?

He comes with warts, he got fired. His offense lacked imagination and he got crossways with a 30M QB and local hero. But he spent the year assessing himself, not just other teams that might be in a HC search after the season. He looked at himself and had some others do the same. He didn't play that "I was right and they were wrong" card and put that year to good use. And I think what he learned about himself and what he needed to change is what that 12 hour interview was all about. Mike McCarthy didn't come for an interview, he came to sell Mike McCarthy and he found a buyer. And I am buying him as well, so what if I am wrong? I thought Garrett had all the right qualifications too. I thought Parcells would do better.

The difference between us is I think that guy deserves a chance and you're raining on him before he even finds his office. I could see that if you had your own guy but you don't. You just don't like him and proved that with a derogatory nickname.

Greg, were you going to like any HC that Booger hired?
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I really haven’t liked anyone since Jimmy. So far without the team Jimmy built it hadn’t mattered much. It gets derailed by Jerry . As I suspect this will too.

And I did present I’d of rather had Defensive minded HC if were retaining our OC. I haven’t talked to anyone I’m close to who’s crazy about Mike.

And we aren’t convinced Jerry’s not still in the way. Wait and see.
 
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To hell with that, try being a Razorback. Fans park at the stadium to go to the area restaurants. No one will admit to actually attending a game last season and have asked friends to lie about their whereabouts on gamedays. They have to pay the cheerleaders to show up and then they still refuse to "call the Hogs". They had to have "Free Car Night" at homecoming, every fan got a new car. They gave away 3.
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Far cry from the days when movies like Boggy Creek 2 was made and whole scenes were built around Arkansas Football, referencing all the Hog Callers and such.
 
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I'm not a fan of the hire and don't really have big expectations.

I hope i'm wrong though and he's great.

I just hate that we hired McCarthy and decided to let Kellen Moore call plays.. This will also be used as an excuse for McCarthy too. I wanted him out front and center but now Kellen will be a buffer between him and blame.

Conservative and safe.. That's what the McCarthy hire was.. Conservative has never served the Jones's well when hiring their head coach.
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I don’t see McCarthy as a great coach and I don’t see him as a motivating figure either. Decent coach, safe hire, not much more.
 
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Parcells thought it was too smart for the room. He prided himself on the later round picks and thought he was the crafty one.

My problem with him was thinking he was smarter then the other HC, thought he would out maneuver him in advance. He didn't wait for them to stop doing something, he stopped it in anticipation of them stopping it.

I was ready for a change after SEA. They get two guys off the street, one was Pete Hunter, to play Safety and he doesn't go after that? That game never should have come down to a botched snap because he was all about "keeping it close until the 4Q".

As a HC, I liked Parcells pc's because they were entertaining but as a HC in the game, I thought he was only as good as his DC, Belichick. He talked a better game than he coached and his conservative approach gave him that .500 record in Dallas. That and a D the team should have never adopted without getting the right personnel. He does get credit for our best D FA player of all time, Glover. But then he also gets credit for taking Spears with a 1st and actually wanted him over Ware.

But one thing I liked about Parcells is the same thing I like about McC, they look like football coaches oughta look. I liked that about Madden too. Guys that can't keep a shirt tucked in.
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Parcells was not working with much talent and he got more out of those teams than most coaches could have. He had built a team limited on talent, but they play with a hard-nosed style and was just plain tough which is something that Dallas hasn’t had since.
 
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To hell with that, try being a Razorback. Fans park at the stadium to go to the area restaurants. No one will admit to actually attending a game last season and have asked friends to lie about their whereabouts on gamedays. They have to pay the cheerleaders to show up and then they still refuse to "call the Hogs". They had to have "Free Car Night" at homecoming, every fan got a new car. They gave away 3.
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But they’re still fans even if it’s not fun anymore.

Winning has always made sports more fun.

But losing or having no or little hope doesn’t mean you totally walk away. You just become very critical and apathetic.
 
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Parcells was not working with much talent and he got more out of those teams than most coaches could have. He had built a team limited on talent, but they play with a hard-nosed style and was just plain tough which is something that Dallas hasn’t had since.
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Parcells had probably the best coaching job in 2003 since the Jimmy era. But in the end he had no more success than anyone else this Century.

And why I begun defending Garrett against the Mob because he wasn’t any worse than the rest of our HC with less experience and control but still received more criticism and vitriol.
 
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