Daks TD's this year

G2 · Feb 12, 2020

Team wins are only attributed to Prescott if the teams we beat were poor.

InTheZone · Feb 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Yeah because talent equate to success. It explains why the Browns have the best personnel in the league and sucks.

Their QB is trash, that'll hinder any offense

And maybe i should've clarified, I consider playcalling and scheme almost the same thing. And I said if playcalling isn't doing the offense any favors its going to present a problem, but it's not the fallback for every offensive mistake.

InTheZone · Feb 12, 2020

phildadon86 said:
You should look up Tom Brady’s career stats against good teams. Considering we are complaining about Dak against good teams. Brady plays in the worst division in football. Let’s look at his stat padding numbers against the dolphins jets and bills for the last decade. That’s what. 8 games a year right there?

How many playoff appearances and playoff wins do the pats have? How can anyone make the argument Brady sucks or is overrated against good teams?

dckid · Feb 12, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
....And Brady's 3 losses were against above .500 teams, um 4 loses, forgot the playoffs. Exactly! Who cares!!

Sorry a bad comparison. Brady is going on 42 and has won 6 SB's so he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Having said that Brady is still better than Dak and Bill would cut Brady in a heartbeat.

InTheZone · Feb 12, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
What about bilicheck and thief OC. I wouldn't say edleman is peanuts. TheirnOL is very good and so is don't Mitchell. With that said I also gave example on Rodgers...

You way over exaggerate what we had in offense and you are dismissing the Dak factor....

Our wrs are much better, and it was clear as day the patriots needed more help at that position this year.

Our line is better. Our RBs are better. Why are we downplaying the talent we have? Dak factor is what I call when I cant get excited when we have the ball. Hope for the best though.

Gorgon · Feb 12, 2020

CATCH17 said:
So Dak threw for 30 TD's this season.

9 of those TD's came in the first 3 weeks against awful teams. (All drafting top 5)

Against teams with a record of .500 or better he threw 11 TD's.

The other 19 came against the weak teams on our schedule and 13 of those 19 came in the first 3 weeks and week 17 against Washington when he threw 4 against a team that was done.

Dallas was also 2-7 against teams with a .500 record or better.

Dak had 4 games this year with no TD passes including our loss to the Jets...

He also had 11 int's... 3 of them came against the teams below .500.. The other 8 came against the teams with a .500 record or better.

So he threw a higher % of INTs against bad teams, and a lower % against good teams. Got it.

BTW, no one yet seems to have really "gotten" this stat: If you play a team twice (Wash) and you beat it twice, you contribute TWO losses to its record. So of NYG and Wash records, Dallas contributed four losses.

IheartRomo · Feb 12, 2020

CATCH17 said:
So Dak threw for 30 TD's this season.

9 of those TD's came in the first 3 weeks against awful teams. (All drafting top 5)

Against teams with a record of .500 or better he threw 11 TD's.

The other 19 came against the weak teams on our schedule and 13 of those 19 came in the first 3 weeks and week 17 against Washington when he threw 4 against a team that was done.

Dallas was also 2-7 against teams with a .500 record or better.

Dak had 4 games this year with no TD passes including our loss to the Jets...

He also had 11 int's... 3 of them came against the teams below .500.. The other 8 came against the teams with a .500 record or better.

How does this compare to other top 15 QBs? Without that context, there's nothing meaningful to draw from it. All QBs are better against bad teams than they are against good (on average, not individual games).

Further, none of the statistics you pointed out seems alarming or especially notable to me other than the record. Given that the offense finished #2 in DVOA and the defense was #19 and ST was #30, it'd be misinformed and irrational to pin the majority of our 8-8 record on the offense let alone Dak individually.

Philmonroe · Feb 12, 2020

Ranching said:
So, it's Dak against 22? The rest of the team and coaches get no blame? You are a frickin piece of.........work. You were funny for a while, your material has gotten old and stale. See ya!

When Dak is getting all the praise in threads like in the beginning of the season or when people mention his "W-L record" do you post this same logic?

CATCH17 · Feb 12, 2020

IheartRomo said:
How does this compare to other top 15 QBs? Without that context, there's nothing meaningful to draw from it. All QBs are better against bad teams than they are against good (on average, not individual games).

Further, none of the statistics you pointed out seems alarming or especially notable to me other than the record. Given that the offense finished #2 in DVOA and the defense was #19 and ST was #30, it'd be misinformed and irrational to pin the majority of our 8-8 record on the offense let alone Dak individually.

The point is that in the 9 games we played teams .500 or better he threw 11 TD's and 8 INT's.

We're about to pay elite QB prices cause market but an elite QB should step up and carry the team at times and really Dak is just along for the ride.

Gorgon · Feb 12, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The point is that in the 9 games we played teams .500 or better he threw 11 TD's and 8 INT's.

We're about to pay elite QB prices cause market but an elite QB should step up and carry the team at times and really Dak is just along for the ride.

Or not. You don't know. No one can prove it was QB vs. scheme and coach. That remains to be decided. Aikman was a classic example of a perfect QB who became quite average with different coaches and a smaller supporting cast. Tom Brady is an example of a QB who consistently performs well as his supporting cast declined because he had a HOF coach and system.

We're about to find out. I wouldn't pay Dak $40 m. I would pay him a lot, but have mucho bonuses thrown in.

Ranching · Feb 12, 2020

Philmonroe said:
When Dak is getting all the praise in threads like in the beginning of the season or when people mention his "W-L record" do you post this same logic?

Yes.

CATCH17 · Feb 12, 2020

Gorgon said:
Or not. You don't know. No one can prove it was QB vs. scheme and coach. That remains to be decided. Aikman was a classic example of a perfect QB who became quite average with different coaches and a smaller supporting cast. Tom Brady is an example of a QB who consistently performs well as his supporting cast declined because he had a HOF coach and system.

We're about to find out. I wouldn't pay Dak $40 m. I would pay him a lot, but have mucho bonuses thrown in.

Well.. The system worked for him against bad teams.. He lit them up. Especially the Giants and Commanders scoring almost half of his TD's against those 2 teams.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 12, 2020

InTheZone said:
Our wrs are much better, and it was clear as day the patriots needed more help at that position this year.

Our line is better. Our RBs are better. Why are we downplaying the talent we have? Dak factor is what I call when I cant get excited when we have the ball. Hope for the best though.

we have talent...so what about coaching? bilicheck vs. Garrett. there were a million and half posts on how garrett sucks and he certainly cost us 3 games this year that we should have won in the 4th. you can't dismiss that given he got fired! including the debacle in NE.

and I disagree that we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that much better in talent than new England. we might be better but not by a lot. their defense was certainly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this much better than ours and you can't dismiss that factor neither.

phildadon86 · Feb 12, 2020

InTheZone said:
How many playoff appearances and playoff wins do the pats have? How can anyone make the argument Brady sucks or is overrated against good teams?

Not the argument. This is about regular season stats. Obviously I’m not comparing Brady’s overall body of work that would be insane. I’m saying that he has been beating up on bad teams His whole career and he also wasn’t hindered by Jason Garrett as a head coach.

CowboysFaninHouston · Feb 12, 2020

Philmonroe said:
When Dak is getting all the praise in threads like in the beginning of the season or when people mention his "W-L record" do you post this same logic?

I completely agree. I have been called a Dak hater, but have argued the same. not all losses are on Dak, not all wins are on Dak, but he is a big factor in both. we can't dismiss the coaching factor, the defense, the kicking in all of this. we lost 3 games this year simply because of poor poor coaching decisions. a bilicheck would have led us to 4 more wins easily.

USArmyVet · Feb 12, 2020

CATCH17 said:
So Dak threw for 30 TD's this season.

9 of those TD's came in the first 3 weeks against awful teams. (All drafting top 5)

Against teams with a record of .500 or better he threw 11 TD's.

The other 19 came against the weak teams on our schedule and 13 of those 19 came in the first 3 weeks and week 17 against Washington when he threw 4 against a team that was done.

Dallas was also 2-7 against teams with a .500 record or better.

Dak had 4 games this year with no TD passes including our loss to the Jets...

He also had 11 int's... 3 of them came against the teams below .500.. The other 8 came against the teams with a .500 record or better.

2019 Dak Prescott

4 Games (2 each against the Commanders and Giants)

4 Wins 0 Losses

130 attempts 96 completions 73.8% comp. 1,234 yards 14 TD's 2 Int's 130.38 Rating

Remaining 12 Games

4 Wins 8 Losses

466 attempts 292 completions 62.7 % comp. 3,668 yards 16 TD's 9 Int's 91.5 rating

Bottom line is that Dak feasted on 2 teams that went a combined 7-25 and was barely average against all other teams. I am sorry but that does not warrant a $35+ Million contract.

CATCH17 · Feb 12, 2020

USArmyVet said:
2019 Dak Prescott

4 Games (2 each against the Commanders and Giants)

4 Wins 0 Losses

130 attempts 96 completions 73.8% comp. 1,234 yards 14 TD's 2 Int's 130.38 Rating

Remaining 12 Games

4 Wins 8 Losses

466 attempts 292 completions 62.7 % comp. 3,668 yards 16 TD's 9 Int's 91.5 rating

Bottom line is that Dak feasted on 2 teams that went a combined 7-25 and was barely average against all other teams. I am sorry but that does not warrant a $35+ Million contract.

Yeah.. I don't know how this compares to other QB's and if they too acquire half their TD's against 2 or 3 teams but this is really hard to ignore.

Philmonroe · Feb 12, 2020

Ranching said:
Yes.

If you truly have ok but you're an outlier.

817Gill · Feb 12, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The point is that in the 9 games we played teams .500 or better he threw 11 TD's and 8 INT's.

We're about to pay elite QB prices cause market but an elite QB should step up and carry the team at times and really Dak is just along for the ride.

Dude everyone except 3 active qbs have losing records and worse stats when playing winning teams. I posted the article link earlier this thread. This is the NFL man, the other teams get paid too.

Philmonroe · Feb 12, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Yeah.. I don't know how this compares to other QB's and if they too acquire half their TD's against 2 or 3 teams but this is really hard to ignore.

In fairness to Dak I do think we would need to see how other qb's do too. Maybe they all are doing similar things and us being Boys fans are giving Dak too much stuff.

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