Where now does Dak Prescott rank among QBs in the NFL? (Revisited)

phildadon86

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The only stat that matters is 8-8. Dak ran up personal passing stats in blow out losses and with help from OC Kellen Moore trying to help him earn a monster new contract. Look at pass attempts for Dak:

2016: 459 pass attempts Cowboys record 13-3

2017: 490 pass attempts Cowboys record 9-7

2018: 526 pass attempts Cowboys record 10-6

2019: 596 pass attempts Cowboys record 8-8


Sorry but Dak is not a Top 10 NFL QB and should not be paid anywhere near that group simply because he statistically had 1 good season yet saw his team go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.
Ohhhh so wins and losses are now a QB stat. Love how that gets brought up only when it suits people here
 

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Between 15-20, and dropping. Guys like Jones, Murray, Hill, Mayfield, Minchew, Tannehill, Burrow, and others could pass him by.
lol - that's a lot of "could". They also "could not" pass him by. And even if you think they "could", they haven't, so I don't know why those guys would automatically get credit for it.
 

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What is this?

The Zone is supposed to be a family site, without name calling and personal shots.

How can an adult (i'm assuming you are) take time out of your day to post something like this on a football discussion site?
Name calling and personal shots aren’t allowed with members against each other but anyone and anything related to the Cowboys is fair game within the rules.
 

dreghorn2

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Name calling and personal shots aren’t allowed with members against each other but anyone and anything related to the Cowboys is fair game within the rules.

How about not using terms like circle jerk, slobberers, and turd in your posts?

For the first time in 16 years i clicked on the report button and was going to submit your post but changed my mind. The forum thanks to you and a select few others are, in my opinion, reducing the quality here to a level i personally haven't seen here previously.

We are trying to talk football here and juvenile name calling and bathroom humor is best left in junior high school.

Try, dig deep and really try, to act your age even if it is an anonymous internet message board.
 

817Gill

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Mahomes, Lamar, Watson, Wilson and Brees are clearly better than Dak and sit in a tier above him.

With Rodgers and Brady, it depends on how much gas they have in the tank, and my guess is, not much. I wouldn't say that they are better than Dak at this point in their career.

Wentz, Cousins, Stafford, Murray, Ryan - they are Dak's equal at worst, and I think Dak is better than several of them.

You could rank Dak anywhere from 6 to 10 and not hear an argument from me. He is clearly not in the top 5, but if you start saying he's worse than guys like Jared Goff and Jimmy Garappolo, we're going to have words.
Exactly. 6-10 is perfect!
 

Diehardblues

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How about not using terms like circle jerk, slobberers, and turd in your posts?

For the first time in 16 years i clicked on the report button and was going to submit your post but changed my mind. The forum thanks to you and a select few others are, in my opinion, reducing the quality here to a level i personally haven't seen here previously.

We are trying to talk football here and juvenile name calling and bathroom humor is best left in junior high school.

Try, dig deep and really try, to act your age even if it is an anonymous internet message board.
Unfortunately I didn’t present these words initially. I would have never introduced them but once they’re out there.

They really aren’t much of a stretch from some of these insults we’ve seen here over the years.

The more use them the more they become common place. But I do apologize to any youngsters who are offended. That was not the intent. Thanks
 

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The only stat that matters is 8-8. Dak ran up personal passing stats in blow out losses and with help from OC Kellen Moore trying to help him earn a monster new contract. Look at pass attempts for Dak:

2016: 459 pass attempts Cowboys record 13-3

2017: 490 pass attempts Cowboys record 9-7

2018: 526 pass attempts Cowboys record 10-6

2019: 596 pass attempts Cowboys record 8-8


Sorry but Dak is not a Top 10 NFL QB and should not be paid anywhere near that group simply because he statistically had 1 good season yet saw his team go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.



That's a cute story but you must have a different definition of "blowout losses" than the rest of us. The Cowboys lost two games by double digits.. Green Bay and Buffalo. Dak threw more TDs and yards in the second quarter than any other.. and more TDs in the first half than the second.. Overall the third quarter was his best quarter.. He had a 124.7 passer rating in that quarter and threw 7 TDs to no picks in that quarter all season. So this bogus notion that he padded his stats in 4th quarter garbage time is utter BS. Dak was good not great this year.. but he was not the reason this team failed. That blame falls squarely on the defense and the sub par coaching overall.
 

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Lamar had a great year but I think you put him in a different system on a team with a crappy coach and d and he’s not nearly as high. Watson is one of the most exciting players to watch but he’s not an elite QB in fact he’s pretty hit or miss. Anyone who would take cousins over Dak is nuts. Stafford is a tease. I wouldn’t argue too much about the OP rankings but if Roth comes back he’s near the top.
 

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Lamar had a great year but I think you put him in a different system on a team with a crappy coach and d and he’s not nearly as high. Watson is one of the most exciting players to watch but he’s not an elite QB in fact he’s pretty hit or miss. Anyone who would take cousins over Dak is nuts. Stafford is a tease. I wouldn’t argue too much about the OP rankings but if Roth comes back he’s near the top.

But why would you put Lamar in a different system, and one that is not more suited and conducive to his style and skill sets ?
Much less a " crappy" coach instead of one that is competent and capable of placing him in the best position to excel ? :huh:
 

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But why would you put Lamar in a different system, and one that is not more suited and conducive to his style and skill sets ?
Much less a " crappy" coach instead of one that is competent and capable of placing him in the best position to excel ? :huh:
That’s what I’m saying I think Lamar has a great coach who is playing to his strengths perfectly.
It was a jab at our previous crappy coach and and defense who largely quit.
i think if you switch Lamar and Dak the results for both would be about the same as what happened this year difference being a much better staff in Baltimore.
 

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4-12 can all lumped together.
 

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Dak is tied for 4th with Brady. Career Passer Rating order goes like this...

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1. Aaron Rodgers 102.4
2. Russell Wilson 101.2
3. Drew Brees 98.4
4. Tom Brady 97.0
Dak Prescott 97.0
6. Kirk Cousins 96.8
7. Phillip Rivers 95.1
8. Matt Ryan 94.6
9. B. Roethlisberger 94.0
10. Carson Wentz 92.7
11. Jared Goff 91.9
12. Derek Carr 90.7
13. Ryan Tannehill 89.8
14. Marcus Mariota 89.6
15. Matthew Stafford 89.3
16. Nick Foles 88.2
17. Andy Dalton 87.5
18. Jameis Winston 86.9
19. Cam Newton 86.1
20. Case Keenum 85.3
 

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The only stat that matters is 8-8. Dak ran up personal passing stats in blow out losses and with help from OC Kellen Moore trying to help him earn a monster new contract. Look at pass attempts for Dak:

2016: 459 pass attempts Cowboys record 13-3

2017: 490 pass attempts Cowboys record 9-7

2018: 526 pass attempts Cowboys record 10-6

2019: 596 pass attempts Cowboys record 8-8


Sorry but Dak is not a Top 10 NFL QB and should not be paid anywhere near that group simply because he statistically had 1 good season yet saw his team go 8-8 and miss the playoffs.

Gee Dan Marino had set all sorts of NFL records and his dolphins went 8-8 and do you think fans blamed him for a 8-8 season. The point here is just because Prescott put up some big numbers and the Cowboys only got to 8-8 doesn't mean that it was ALL Prescott's fault. The defense contributed a great deal in many of the losses. Also Prescott got those numbers even the Cowboys receivers had the most drops as a team in the league last season. Also lets not forget that Elliott had 6 subpar games of 60 yards or less, one with 18 carries and ONLY 35 yards. Why aren't you putting some of that blame on Elliott?
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Another day another list. Those putting Dak top 5 are over reaching in my opinion.. but so is putting him anywhere lower than 16th.

Reality is that he is somewhere around 10th.. most statistics and analysts would agree. I'm not a fan of Dak but realistically he slots into that middle bracket comfortably.

My bigger issue is that we are going to pay him like a top 3 QB.. which he isn't. If we are getting a 'middle of the pack' QB then we can get one much, much cheaper.
 

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Another day another list. Those putting Dak top 5 are over reaching in my opinion.. but so is putting him anywhere lower than 16th.

Reality is that he is somewhere around 10th.. most statistics and analysts would agree. I'm not a fan of Dak but realistically he slots into that middle bracket comfortably.

My bigger issue is that we are going to pay him like a top 3 QB.. which he isn't. If we are getting a 'middle of the pack' QB then we can get one much, much cheaper.
How do you argue with his career passer rating being tied for 4th? It's an inconvenient stat for you if you really think he is "middle of the pack".
 

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Is Dak Prescott now a top 5... ...top 10..... or among the top 15 QBs in the NFL ?
After his best statistical passing season last year in 2019, (in helping Cowboys rank as best offense in total yards).. where now would you rank Prescott among the top QBs in NFL ?

Here's my list below in how I see the Top QBs and where I'd place Prescott now:

1 Pat Mahomes KC

2 Aaron Rodgers GB

3 Lamar Jackson Balt

4 Russell Wilson Sea

5 Tom Brady NE

6 Drew Brees NO

7 Deshaun Watson Hou

8 Carlson Wentz Phil

9 Dak Prescott Dall

10 Kirk Cousins Minn

11 Matthew Stafford Det

12 Kyle Murray Ariz

13 Matt Ryan ATL

14 Jared Goff Rams

15 Jimmy Garoppolo SF

cant take a list seriously that has Jackson top 5 and above Brees and Prescott over Stafford and Garoppolo
 

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Tannehill ? ... lol ;)

At first I was surprised as well, but looking at his numbers in only 12 games you understand where this guys are coming from. The Titans were a totally different team with him at QB, so much so they reached the AFCCG.
 

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How do you argue with his career passer rating being tied for 4th? It's an inconvenient stat for you if you really think he is "middle of the pack".
Actually not really. Career passer rating is deceptive because, thus far, he has been gifted with four years in a strong team. Make no mistake, the Cowboys have had a stronger rated, supposedly championship ready, team for all four years. Dak also has had the benefit of Zeke being a top 3 RB for all four years. So behind a great OLine, with strong options at WR, a well above average run game.. it comes as absolutely no shock his career passer rating is high.

Quite frankly I don't give a flying toss what the stats say.. I want a QB that is reliable, can help our receivers.. that leads guys open and allows for good YAC.. who can pick up the slack if our run game gets shut down.. and a guy that can punish a defence for keying in on our running game. I want a guy that can score TDs even against good opposition in the FIRST HALF.. not some lazy scores when the game is done and dusted.

I have openly agreed that Dak will be our QB.. I know the deal with get done. I'm equally as sure that Dak is not good enough to win a SB. We will be competitive with him as QB.. no mistake about that.. but he simply does not have the talent to drive our success. He is a capable bus driver. His output will further decline as the league gets more and more tape on him. If we are forced to lose some of the talent around him to pay his salary.. then we loss more.

Either way.. if we sign Dak to a big deal we lose. If we sign Dak we lose.
 
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