How about that 2019 Draft Class!

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Jerry likes to pretend he is the big man on campus, but I highly doubt he even watches college football, with the exception of his beloved Razorbacks and/or teams playing in his stajium.

Those moronic coaches I think had more influence in last year's draft than you think. Marinelli, Garrett, and Richard all signed off on the Hill pick.
 

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Jerry likes to pretend he is the big man on campus, but I highly doubt he even watches college football, with the exception of his beloved Razorbacks and/or teams playing in his stajium.

Those moronic coaches I think had more influence in last year's draft than you think. Marinelli, Garrett, and Richard all signed off on the Hill pick.

And those first two on Taco in 2017 as well.

Sure, it's nice that both were finally and rightfully fired (I'm not sugar-coating anything), but the Cowboys team is now left to pick up the pieces.
 

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And those first two on Taco in 2017 as well.

Sure, it's nice that both were finally and rightfully fired (I'm not sugar-coating anything), but the Cowboys team is now left to pick up the pieces.
Yup. Stephen likes to sell to everyone that we aren't big players in FA because we are superb drafters. But the reality is our drafts have failed to impress since 2016, an eternity in the NFL.

I doubt Trysten Hill even makes the team in 2020.
 

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It wasn't Jerry being Jerry.

We had no 1st round pick.

Our DC#1 and DC#2 wanted the DT over the safeties.

Their 3rd round pick got injured, **** luck.

4th rounder was a RB, that did well in a limited role.
Absolutely!! Fans are the worst, lol.
They wanna trade picks then cry when the draft class looks bad. LOL.

The draft class looks soft as tissue paper but you got Amari Cooper and a very athletic, young, big DT. --that we'd never have touched if he wasn't raw as rain.
The R3 OG was highly rated and may well start this year.
The RB in R4 contributed and provided a needed skillset.
 

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He was pretty good and has great potential at the pro level. He just needs to be developed and treated with a little patience for him to mature.
Hill was explosive last year.
He has serious quick twitch ability but he was also pretty weak and easily pushed aside when he didn't flat out beat a block.

Strength is the easiest asset to gain.
He just needs a weight room.
Guys don't max out strength wise at 21.
Yes, that kid is 21.

Most draftees are 22-23 and some are 24.
 

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It’s already been mentioned, the 2009 draft class was the worst I can remember. It appeared we had turned the corner during the 2009 season winning our first playoff game in 13 years. We had 12 picks and a kicker David Buehler was the only one we got any real good use out of. That draft was so bad it led to four straight seasons missing the playoffs.
They didn't pick until 69 which is setting yourself up for failure.

That was also a terrible overall draft tho.
Busts galore in R1.
Jason Smith at pick 2, Aaron Curry at 4, Mark Sanchez went 5.
 

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Yup. Stephen likes to sell to everyone that we aren't big players in FA because we are superb drafters. But the reality is our drafts have failed to impress since 2016, an eternity in the NFL.

Yes, since then, they've seemingly screwed it up as bad as any team in the league. In fact, I can't think of another team that's already cut their 2017 1st round pick?

Edit: Yes, there was one, Reuben Foster by the 49'ers over those domestic violence charges.

I doubt Trysten Hill even makes the team in 2020.

I'm betting that Hill gets one more year whether he deserves to or not, simply because ownership won't be able to cut bait again on another high profile draft pick so soon after admitting they totally botched 2017's 1st rounder as bad as you possibly could. While I would hope that they make him earn it, I also know that these people don't like to publicly admit when they make mistakes. And cutting your top pick in 2019 after one season is 'admitting it' as clearly as possible.
 

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Yes, since then, they've seemingly screwed it up as bad as any team in the league. In fact, I can't think of another team that's already cut their 2017 1st round pick?



I'm betting that Hill gets one more year whether he deserves to or not, simply because ownership won't be able to cut bait again on another high profile draft pick so soon after admitting they totally botched 2017's 1st rounder as bad as you possibly could. While I would hope that they make him earn it, I also know that these people don;t like to publicly admit when they make mistakes. And cutting your top pick in 2019 after one season is 'admitting it' as clearly as possible.

I think we'll get a first look at their views of the DT depth chart in March. If they sign a few decent ones, that are starting quality in March maybe that points an negative sign on Hill. Or if they keep Crawford for another year lol.

With a new DC and DL coach, wonder how Hill will react? He didn't jive with his last coach in UCF after Frost left. Not like Nolan or Jim have any attachment to Hill.
 

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I think we'll get a first look at their views of the DT depth chart in March. If they sign a few decent ones, that are starting quality in March maybe that points an negative sign on Hill. Or if they keep Crawford for another year lol.

Don't even bring up that possibility!
:facepalm:

With a new DC and DL coach, wonder how Hill will react? He didn't jive with his last coach in UCF after Frost left.

Or with the old man that he suckered into going to bat and drafting him.

Three quarters through his rookie season and even Marinelli was "done with him".

I see the pattern.
 

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2019 draft was trash to put it lightly.

Hill was a horrible pick, made worse by the guys who were on the Cowboys board higher than him that they passed on to please a coach on a 1 yr. deal.

Pollard was a great pick, and McGovern was a pick I respected. Everything was meh. I never ever liked Michael Jackson, and had no clue what anybody in that building saw in him besides his height n weight.

I was and still am hoping Joe Jackson n D. Wilson can turn out to be something...those were ok picks to me at the time.

Oh and if Amari's name wasn't called out on draft day he ain't a part of the draft.
 

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Hill was the classic example of this front office and Marinelli thinking they were smarter than everyone else in the NFL.

Hill was a 3rd or 4th round pick.
 

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But I will say this, if they can;t work something reasonable out with Cooper, and he leaves, then the 2019 draft will be a disaster.

Blame the trade for it, not the draft.

Once they traded for Cooper, the *best* case scenario was totally overpaying for him. The alternative is a short term rental at the price of a 1st round pick.

Cooper has 37mil career earnings, so need not be desperate to lock in his first big chunk of change. He says he likes Dallas, but he's on his second HC, second OC, third wr position coach in 3 years. He really has no idea what the McCarthy regime will bring him.

Meanwhile, Jerry will look like a fool if he only gets a short term rental for a 1st round pick. He has to get this deal done. Cooper does not. Cooper has all the leverage. Jerry will overpay this year or Cooper plays on a tag. Playing on a tag will still be a nice salary jump for Cooper. He should wait it out and see how he likes the McCarthy regime. He'll have even more leverage next year.
 

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Yup. Stephen likes to sell to everyone that we aren't big players in FA because we are superb drafters. But the reality is our drafts have failed to impress since 2016, an eternity in the NFL.

I doubt Trysten Hill even makes the team in 2020.
The general rule is that it can take 3 years to really know about a draft class, plus we have to remember that successful drafting doesn't mean finding a significant player in every round. If a team can find 4-5 guys that stick, and 2-3 guys that eventually become starters it is a pretty good draft.

2016 is pretty hard to judge against. That was kind of a home run for the Cowboys.

The jury certainly is still out on 2019. Our first looks at Hill have been disappointing, but it's still too early to give up on him. McGovern was injured, so we can't judge him yet. Pollard was a very nice pick in the 4th round, and I have hope for Donovan Wilson. Then, of course, we used our first round pick on Cooper, and that has to be factored in.

The jury is also still out on 2018. LVE looked like a good pick until the neck injury, so how the neck heals will be a big key. It seems Connor Williams may be a bit less of a player than we hoped, but at a minimum he should be a strong backup that can start if needed. Gallup was a big plus in the 3rd round, and Armstrong, Schultz and Wilson may be at least decent depth. Time is still the key - have to see how these guys fit going forward.

2017 was very mediocre. We got 3 starting level players, but no standouts, and the rest of the draft was a bust.
 

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What was their position of need? The drafted Hill at DT and perhaps that was a disappointment. but we knew he was a project. The Cowboys were drafting for depth. I still think Hill will be a decent 2nd round pick in a year or two.

DT was a position of perceived need for 2020. They assumed they had Crawford, Collins, and Woods coming back for 2019, but only Woods in 2020. Unlikely that a late 2nd was gonna be better than Crawford or Collins, so they went with a developmental guy with a perceived higher physical upside for 2020. Reasonable. Still might turn out ok going forward.

The misjudgment of Crawford's injury and what to do about it was the double whammy. Really stupid not to cut him last year. With his age and chronic issues, he was a definite "better to cut a year early than a year late" player.

We've had a couple of medical evals turn against us last year. Crawford and Jaylon were big fails.
 

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It wasn't Jerry being Jerry.

We had no 1st round pick.

Our DC#1 and DC#2 wanted the DT over the safeties.

Their 3rd round pick got injured, **** luck.

4th rounder was a RB, that did well in a limited role.

I still like the 3rd round pick. McGovern was my favorite pick of the draft. Looks like a quality LG. Good chance he starts at LG this year. Williams will have some work to do to come back from his knee injury and beat out McGovern. Best outcome is for Mcgovern to win and Williams go to swing T.
 

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I think you have to wait until MCGovern actually plays before you can grade him. Remeber when they trashed the Frederick pick?
 
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