Twitter: Cincinnati Is Listening To Offers For The 1 Pick

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Not hard to find......

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/27/sports/colts-pick-elway-but-the-quarterback-refuses-to-go.html

In part.....


"The Baltimore Colts opened the National Football League draft yesterday by selecting Stanford's all-America quarterback, John Elway. But hours later his father, Jack, said that Elway ''will never play for Irsay or Coach Kush.'' And, at a news conference in San Jose, Calif., his hometown, John Elway said:

''Right now it looks like I'll be playing baseball with the Yankees. It will be a couple of days, or maybe even two weeks, before I make the final decision. We haven't ruled out football, but it doesn't look good right now.''

Jack Elway, in a telephone interview from San Jose, also said that he had told the Colts ''before Christmas'' that John would not play for them."

My point, thanks!
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I need to know more about his medical but all signs point to him being fine and if he’s healthy you draft him..

Jalen Hurts is not a good NFL prospect.. He shouldn’t even be mentioned with Tua unless we’re talking about how he took his job at Bama.

If Tua was healthy it would be a legit conversation as to who the #1 QB is.. Tua reminds me a lot of Steve Young.

I understand Jaylon being a late rounder and I agree Tua is much better prospect if he remains healthy.That being said Id be a bit concerned but hey its only a top 5 pick. And i mention Hurts simply because of the Alabama comparison
 

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That's what I got too. No public evidence of him or his Dad going on record stating these intentions. Just 'letting it be know' outside of the media, much like this report on Burrow. Rumors and innuendo, but no public statement.
Didn't have the internet back then and more sports writers than there are readers.

I do recall his father saying that they had let the Colts know prior to the draft that he was not playing for them. It was a big stink because it was the first case of that ever happening and the Colts thought it was a bluff.

As big a tool as I think Mayfield is, he handled getting Gulag'd to CLE without a whimper. If I were CIN, I would call his bluff and pick him and let him sit out if he didn't want to play for his home state team, if indeed this is fact and we do not know that.

I hope this isn't true because I like the kid and he was a nobody before Joe Brady showed up in Baton Rouge, then he has a season likely to never be duplicated. I am a LSU fan since living there and I saw every game he played and I kept waiting for the bubble to burst and for him to come back to earth and it never happened. A bad game for him would be a career game for another QB.

I do wonder if Burrow is trying to get to CAR?
 

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I need to know more about his medical but all signs point to him being fine and if he’s healthy you draft him..

Jalen Hurts is not a good NFL prospect.. He shouldn’t even be mentioned with Tua unless we’re talking about how he took his job at Bama.

If Tua was healthy it would be a legit conversation as to who the #1 QB is.. Tua reminds me a lot of Steve Young.
Tua reminds a lot of people of Mahomes, same kind of delivery from the other side.

I really felt for Tua. He got screwed out of the Heisman in 2018 because he built up such a lead he didn't play enough and then that freak injury but I don't see any way he could have beaten Burrow out this year for the Heisman. His season is going to last a long time as the one to shoot for.

One thing neither Burrow or Tua is going to have, those receivers they had in college. They could have 2 WR's each go in round 1. They also had good run games and great OL's. And the D's weren't too shabby either.
 

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Tua reminds a lot of people of Mahomes, same kind of delivery from the other side.

I really felt for Tua. He got screwed out of the Heisman in 2018 because he built up such a lead he didn't play enough and then that freak injury but I don't see any way he could have beaten Burrow out this year for the Heisman. His season is going to last a long time as the one to shoot for.

One thing neither Burrow or Tua is going to have, those receivers they had in college. They could have 2 WR's each go in round 1. They also had good run games and great OL's. And the D's weren't too shabby either.

I try my best to ignore their surrounding talent and their opponents.

I did this in all of the Goff and Carson Wentz debates.. The Goff > Wentz guys insisted on Goff because he had better competition but Wentz was the superior talent IMO.


With Tua.. I do worry a little about him being in such a good environment but the guy is just a natural leader and thrower of the football.. He's got work ethic.. He's mobile.. Everything you want a QB to be he has. The things successful QB's have in common he has. All the intangibles.

He's low floor high ceiling IMO.
 

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Dak and 2 1s?
I wouldn’t trade Dak and a #1 for Burrow, nor two 1’s for Burrow. That’s a desperation move. Joe Burrow could wind up being an athletic Tom Brady, or he could be a career backup, or he could be out of the league in 4 years. He is a short time success story who looked amazing this year, but the NFL chews up and spits out first round QBs. A bird in the hand....
 

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3 things that worry Me about Burrow.
1) Stacked Deck : He had an awfully good supporting cast, a fleet of fine receivers, a strong line, a strong running game and good offensive OC.
2) Graduate Senior : He could pretty much devote Himself to being a QB, unlike a lot of His contemporaries, an advantage He'll not have as a pro.
3) He couldn't win the job at Ohio State and had to transfer.
I have a feeling He won't be as good as a pro as He was in College, I think He'll be decent, but not great.
 

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No.. I’m just not scared to draft a QB like you are because that 1 time Ryan Leaf busted.

QBs are easier to find then ever.. Truly elite QBs are more difficult to find but mediocre QBs are everywhere and some of these QBs that you guys think are terrible would be slightly above mediocre like Dak if they were running our offense.

If Jameis Winston is our QB I have no doubt we would’ve gone 8-8 this season and his INT totals would be lower because of the Oline and Zeke allowing him to throw less and be more conservative.

Originally, I thought you were a decent poster, but lately, you have been shredding your forum credibility. Getting rid of Dak AND Zeke, for an unknown talent. Comparing Dak to James. SMH!!!!!!!!

Has someone in a Dallas uniform, hurt your feelings, or those of a loved one?
 

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Originally, I thought you were a decent poster, but lately, you have been shredding your forum credibility. Getting rid of Dak AND Zeke, for an unknown talent. Comparing Dak to James. SMH!!!!!!!!

Has someone in a Dallas uniform, hurt your feelings, or those of a loved one?

No.. I look what is winning championships.

The last 10 Superbowl champions had cheap RB play.. Nobody is paying their RB a ton and winning a Superbowl. Teams devalued the position for a reason..

We just had to follow in the footsteps of the Jets and Rams though who both now regret their decision of paying their RB and Zeke was nothing special this year and he has to be incredible to validate his contract.

Dak... Yeah.. I don't want to pay a QB that's slightly above mediocre like he is a top 5 player.

I want to invest in things that Superbowl teams have in common..

Defense...

Cheap quality QB play..

Quality coaching..

Not a running back lol.

So would I take Burrow and all that cap space to build a defense for Dak & Zeke? Absolutely.

The mighty Dak & Zeke have almost no playoff success on their rookie deals.. Good luck going forward.. We're going to need it.
 

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No.. I look what is winning championships.

The last 10 Superbowl champions had cheap RB play.. Nobody is paying their RB a ton and winning a Superbowl. Teams devalued the position for a reason..

We just had to follow in the footsteps of the Jets and Rams though who both now regret their decision of paying their RB and Zeke was nothing special this year and he has to be incredible to validate his contract.

Dak... Yeah.. I don't want to pay a QB that's slightly above mediocre like he is a top 5 player.

I want to invest in things that Superbowl teams have in common..

Defense...

Cheap quality QB play..

Quality coaching..

Not a running back lol.

So would I take Burrow and all that cap space to build a defense for Dak & Zeke? Absolutely.

The mighty Dak & Zeke have almost no playoff success on their rookie deals.. Good luck going forward.. We're going to need it.

The last 10 championships, may spotlight average rb's, but that had no bearing on any outcome. To analyze the last 10 championships for rb's, you must account solely, on their contribution. Not who won the game. I wonder what you and others will say, when the team flourishes under McCarthy.
 

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The last 10 championships, may spotlight average rb's, but that had no bearing on any outcome. To analyze the last 10 championships for rb's, you must account solely, on their contribution. Not who won the game. I wonder what you and others will say, when the team flourishes under McCarthy.

Yeah... You don't need to spend a lot to get quality RB play...
 

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Yeah... You don't need to spend a lot to get quality RB play...

What is wrong with quality rb play? Receivers, are a dime a dozen, but they keep getting paid. Every position should be devalued. Each, can be hit or miss.
 

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What is wrong with quality rb play? Receivers, are a dime a dozen, but they keep getting paid. Every position should be devalued. Each, can be hit or miss.

Absolutely nothing unless you foolishly pay a lot for it when you don't need to.

I'm with you on WR's too. Elite WR's aren't winning very many Superbowls in the salary cap era.

Defense, Rookie deal or discount vet QB, Quality Coaching...

Not RB's, WR's, or mediocre QB's getting elite money..
 

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Absolutely nothing unless you foolishly pay a lot for it when you don't need to.

I'm with you on WR's too. Elite WR's aren't winning very many Superbowls in the salary cap era.

Defense, Rookie deal or discount vet QB, Quality Coaching...

Not RB's, WR's, or mediocre QB's getting elite money..

What is foolish to many on this board; is legit NFL business. It was done years before many were born, and it will continue after many have passed.
 

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Didn't have the internet back then and more sports writers than there are readers.

Exactly. So while they may have informed the team's, they didn't announce it publicly. That was my point. Burrow wouldn't announce it either.

I do recall his father saying that they had let the Colts know prior to the draft that he was not playing for them. It was a big stink because it was the first case of that ever happening and the Colts thought it was a bluff.

A decade the Colts got jobbed as a result. A fraction of the value.

As big a tool as I think Mayfield is, he handled getting Gulag'd to CLE without a whimper. If I were CIN, I would call his bluff and pick him and let him sit out if he didn't want to play for his home state team, if indeed this is fact and we do not know that.

I think I would too. They have to do something so they're not rendered totally irrelevant.

I hope this isn't true because I like the kid and he was a nobody before Joe Brady showed up in Baton Rouge, then he has a season likely to never be duplicated. I am a LSU fan since living there and I saw every game he played and I kept waiting for the bubble to burst and for him to come back to earth and it never happened. A bad game for him would be a career game for another QB.

I do wonder if Burrow is trying to get to CAR?

I think if anyone trades up with the Bengals, it's Miami.
 

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What is foolish to many on this board; is legit NFL business. It was done years before many were born, and it will continue after many have passed.

Yeah.. I know what the team will do.. They will try to re-create some busted version of the 90's dynasty team and keep adding to the years of no success and we'll applaud every signing when it happens but then blame Jerry when those signings aren't enough to win anything.
 
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