The Draft > Free Agency

cowboygo · Feb 11, 2020

stasheroo said:
And when you totally miss on your top draft picks in 2017 and 2019, you need to use free agency to 'catch up'.

this. at least on the offensive line, the coaches aren't afraid of playing rookies (Connor williams, lael collins, also rest of oline but they were higher picks). Taco wasn't really given a chance, trysten hill neither. its time to see if our players sink or swim. fresh faces on the d-line, hopefully a new safety as well.

CouchCoach · Feb 11, 2020

stasheroo said:
Because Garrett knew him, because Garrett knew Kiffin. That was Garrett's MO, who he knew. He knew people, not coaches. That's why he could never assemble a staff worth a damn.

Sounds like you're making excuses for him.

Not him necessarily but anyone who does their best and while it's clearly not acceptable, they continue employment. What do you expect him to do? Admit he's not worthy and quit?

Stash · Feb 11, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Not him necessarily but anyone who does their best and while it's clearly not acceptable, they continue employment. What do you expect him to do? Admit he's not worthy and quit?

What I expect is accountability when people aren't doing their jobs.

What I don't expect are 'participation trophies' when you "try really hard" and yet are still bad at your job.

I've had over a decade of that crap and I'm not about to sugarcoat things any longer.

Clearly, Marinelli still mistakenly things he's good enough to coach in the NFL and he found a sucker in a former friend that thinks so too. And when things suck in Las Vegas too, I won't give him a pat on the back or an "atta boy!" for that either.

CouchCoach · Feb 11, 2020

stasheroo said:
What I expect is accountability when people aren't doing their jobs.

What I don't expect are 'participation trophies' when you "try really hard" and yet are still bad at your job.

I've had over a decade of that crap and I'm not about to sugarcoat things any longer.

Clearly, Marinelli still mistakenly things he's good enough to coach in the NFL and he found a sucker in a former friend that thinks so too. And when things suck in Las Vegas too, I won't give him a pat on the back or an "atta boy!" for that either.

Tell me, when did you start expecting accountability from the people that run this team? The GM admits he should have fired himself.

The main reason companies have nepotism rules is because of the lack of accountability. Do you think any of that family would have even been hired into those jobs and the GM and VP would have been fired years ago if they were.

The problem with incompetence in power is that they hire incompetents too often.

Stash · Feb 11, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Tell me, when did you start expecting accountability from the people that run this team? The GM admits he should have fired himself.

The main reason companies have nepotism rules is because of the lack of accountability. Do you think any of that family would have even been hired into those jobs and the GM and VP would have been fired years ago if they were.

The problem with incompetence in power is that they hire incompetents too often.

You'll get no disagreements from me on those facts.

But again, that does not absolve the other individuals involved of their role and responsibility in this failure.

When a group robs a bank, you charge all of them, not just the ringleader.

Rod Marinelli was bad at his job. If you want to also blame Garrett and by extension Jerry Jones for hiring and keeping him as long as they did? Have at it! You'll get no argument from me.

But if you try to excuse Marinelli's mistakes and shortcomings because they did? I'll argue with you there all day.

There were multiple wrongs being committed, not just one.

75boyz · Feb 11, 2020

stasheroo said:
You'll get no disagreements from me on those facts.

But again, that does not absolve the other individuals involved of their role and responsibility in this failure.

When a group robs a bank, you charge all of them, not just the ringleader.

Rod Marinelli was bad at his job. If you want to also blame Garrett and by extension Jerry Jones for hiring and keeping him as long as they did? Have at it! You'll get no argument from me.

But if you try to excuse Marinelli's mistakes and shortcomings because they did? I'll argue with you there all day.

There were multiple wrongs being committed, not just one.

Classy, insightful and macro level discussion of the failures of the entire organizational chain of command.

Great points made by you and CouchCoach alike. Great job to ya both.

Stash · Feb 11, 2020

75boyz said:
Classy, insightful and macro level discussion of the failures of the entire organizational chain of command.

Great points made by you and CouchCoach alike. Great job to ya both.

Thank you sir!

Always nice to read a kind word!
:bow:

eromeopolk · Feb 12, 2020

jterrell said:
And KC is kicking around how to release half that list ASAP to recoup cap space.
It's always going to require a balancing act.

If the league is stupid enough to allow you to draft a generational QB at 10 you will win a lot of games.

You really miss my point. Jerry "Dumbo GM" Jones had 4 years with rookie deals for Dak, Zeke, and did not keep the defense in place or improved the defensive talent to when a championship. He let those players go to the other team with a QB on a rookie deal to take those defensive players and signed other talent to go for a Super Bowl.

You have to do both draft and sign impact free agents. Example of Jimmy Johnson as GM was 1990 Cowboys draft Emmitt Smith, signs Jay Novacek, James Washington, trades for John Gesek. 1991 drafts Russell Maryland and trades for Tony Casillas. 1992 drafts Kevin Smith, signs Vinson Smith, trades for Thomas Everett, and Charles Haley. Aikman gets his extension during the 1992 season, Irvin end of 1991 season, and Smith plays out the option year 1992. Dallas wins the Super Bowl 1992.

The league is not stupid, Jerry Jones is a stupid GM. You had a team that was 13-3 in 2016 with a rookie QB that was rookie MVP and a rookie RB that lead the league in rushing. Did he sign/trade for that "War Daddy", resign his veterans on defense, or sign more weapons in 2017? He did nothing through the draft or free agency to take advantage of it. Kansas City was 10-6 in 2017 (Mahomes rookie year), 12-4 in 2018, and Super Bowl Champions 12-4 in 2019. Cowboys with Dak and Zeke on rookie deals went 13-3 in 2016, 9-7 in 2017, 10-6 in 2018, and 8-8 in 2019. Please go compare Dallas Cowboys acquisitions vs. departures from 2016-2019 and you will see the obvious. Does Jerry Jones really want a Super Bowl or just keep the Cowboys relevant through the media?

25 years and counting........

JoeKing · Feb 12, 2020

Both are important. I won't place one as more important than the other. FA is great to acquire immediate starter talent. The draft is great to acquire young talent that can be developed. The Cowboys FO tends to build its team through the draft and develop its own players but they have also acquired great players through the FA that became great Cowboys as well. Charles Haley is a perfect example of this.

75boyz · Feb 12, 2020

eromeopolk said:
You really miss my point. Jerry "Dumbo GM" Jones had 4 years with rookie deals for Dak, Zeke, and did not keep the defense in place or improved the defensive talent to when a championship. He let those players go to the other team with a QB on a rookie deal to take those defensive players and signed other talent to go for a Super Bowl.

You have to do both draft and sign impact free agents. Example of Jimmy Johnson as GM was 1990 Cowboys draft Emmitt Smith, signs Jay Novacek, James Washington, trades for John Gesek. 1991 drafts Russell Maryland and trades for Tony Casillas. 1992 drafts Kevin Smith, signs Vinson Smith, trades for Thomas Everett, and Charles Haley. Aikman gets his extension during the 1992 season, Irvin end of 1991 season, and Smith plays out the option year 1992. Dallas wins the Super Bowl 1992.

The league is not stupid, Jerry Jones is a stupid GM. You had a team that was 13-3 in 2016 with a rookie QB that was rookie MVP and a rookie RB that lead the league in rushing. Did he sign/trade for that "War Daddy", resign his veterans on defense, or sign more weapons in 2017? He did nothing through the draft or free agency to take advantage of it. Kansas City was 10-6 in 2017 (Mahomes rookie year), 12-4 in 2018, and Super Bowl Champions 12-4 in 2019. Cowboys with Dak and Zeke on rookie deals went 13-3 in 2016, 9-7 in 2017, 10-6 in 2018, and 8-8 in 2019. Please go compare Dallas Cowboys acquisitions vs. departures from 2016-2019 and you will see the obvious. Does Jerry Jones really want a Super Bowl or just keep the Cowboys relevant through the media?

25 years and counting........

Very strong post with comparative examples from the glory years to support your view. Really nice post.

bewp7 · Feb 12, 2020

JoeKing said:
Both are important. I won't place one as more important than the other. FA is great to acquire immediate starter talent. The draft is great to acquire young talent that can be developed. The Cowboys FO tends to build its team through the draft and develop its own players but they have also acquired great players through the FA that became great Cowboys as well. Charles Haley is a perfect example of this.

no...the draft is a million times more important than free agency and the salary cap makes it even more important. the draft builds the entire foundation of ur team, free agency is a supplement.

JoeKing · Feb 12, 2020

bewp7 said:
no...the draft is a million times more important than free agency and the salary cap makes it even more important. the draft builds the entire foundation of ur team, free agency is a supplement.

I said the team builds their team through the draft. We both are in agreement there. I just have more appreciation for FA than you do which is where our opinions differ. Why does it matter to you so much that someone didn't completely agree with you? It's small of you to not let someone have their own opinion without you checking it.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 12, 2020

Been saying it time and time again.

People keep talking about Dak's contract stopping us from getting someone in free agency. So be it. This team won't do anything if they don't draft well.

People use Wentz, Goff, etc. as examples of teams that aren't good because of their big salaries. Mind you, those teams also haven't drafted well. Russel Wilson also has a big contract and the Seahawks have just started drafting better and its showed up on the field.

The key is the draft.

jaythecowboy · Feb 12, 2020

cern said:
Great trades by Stephen and mcclay.

If they can trade for players that have a positive impact on the team then that goes against the notion that the Cowboys don't know about players outside the organization.

Bobhaze · Feb 12, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Tell me, when did you start expecting accountability from the people that run this team? The GM admits he should have fired himself.

The main reason companies have nepotism rules is because of the lack of accountability. Do you think any of that family would have even been hired into those jobs and the GM and VP would have been fired years ago if they were.

The problem with incompetence in power is that they hire incompetents too often.

A rich oilman buys an NFL team and when his check to buy the team clears the bank, he’s suddenly ”qualified” to be an NFL GM. Then he hires his kids for all the top executive positions. No accountability at the top of this organization, all run by family members with lifetime contracts “until death do us part”...again regardless of playoff success.

What could possibly go wrong with this formula?

StarBoyz83 · Feb 12, 2020

Draft is for the future
free agency is for now

Hope we have a good draft

CouchCoach · Feb 12, 2020

Bobhaze said:
A rich oilman buys an NFL team and when his check to buy the team clears the bank, he’s suddenly ”qualified” to be an NFL GM. Then he hires his kids for all the top executive positions. No accountability at the top of this organization, all run by family members with lifetime contracts “until death do us part”...again regardless of playoff success.

What could possibly go wrong with this formula?

And that's the formula with the Cardinals, Giants, Steelers, Bengals, Raiders and Bears. The difference is they learned from their predecessors, all fathers or grandfathers, that if you want the job done right, hire the right person. Even Crazy Al's son learned his lesson, be smart by hiring smarter football people than you are to run the show. Then you've got someone to blame and fire.

Booger and Mike Brown are the muttonheads in the NFL, one because he bought it and the other because he inherited it. The jury is still out on what the second generation does when Booger takes the dirt nap but I haven't seen anything impressive about the son and he didn't get why Booger wanted Manziel, it was exactly for who and what he was. He would have made more money and news with Manziel on board and transcended the Dallas Cowboys even further beyond the confines of the NFL. In that regard, Booger is PT Barnum, he loved a good train wreck, good for business.

75boyz · Feb 12, 2020

Bobhaze said:
A rich oilman buys an NFL team and when his check to buy the team clears the bank, he’s suddenly ”qualified” to be an NFL GM. Then he hires his kids for all the top executive positions. No accountability at the top of this organization, all run by family members with lifetime contracts “until death do us part”...again regardless of playoff success.

What could possibly go wrong with this formula?

And to also include so called extended family such as the Garrett's and long time inner circle influences such as the Lacewells and Switzers of the world whose football advice might be a little dated or irrelevant as it applies to the ever changing modern NFL game.

Jason had the give the success to Uncle Jerry role well mastered but any coach worth his salt will hafta win in spite of these circumstances.

This organizational reality pretty much influences most all of my posts pessimistic tone. To overcome the odds. As was earlier stated, 25 years and counting...

CouchCoach · Feb 12, 2020

75boyz said:
And to also include so called extended family such as the Garrett's and long time inner circle influences such as the Lacewells and Switzers of the world whose football advice might be a little dated or irrelevant as it applies to the ever changing modern NFL game.

Jason had the give the success to Uncle Jerry role well mastered and any coach worth his salt will hafta win in spite of these circumstances.

This organizational reality pretty much influences most all of my posts pessimistic tone. To overcome the odds. 25 years and counting.

I admit it, does the same to me even though I try to stay on the upswing, stay positive and optimistic. That family is always lurking in the background like a shadow.

I was really surprised when McC was given the green light to hire his own staff, I took that as a positive sign but still, lurking in the background are Booger & Son. They're like those two idiots from Laverne and Shirley, can't even trust them to sneak into the prom and spike the punch, they'd probably siphon gas out of Booger's Boogie Bus.

That's why I really don't get down on Greg, Diehardblues, because with their presence, even if it's going right, they can make it all wrong. They don't intend to, they're just incompetent on the football side of it. And always have been.

Mobinvans · Feb 12, 2020

Every Super Bowl team I can remember had a good free agent haul in

If you draft well but suck at free agency your still failing...you can do both

The Draft > Free Agency

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