Matthew Stafford is the QB I would go after

doomsday9084 · Feb 12, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Almost 5000 yards and 30 passing TD's is top of the league QB stuff. He is also top 5 in EVERY major passing category.

Lead the #1 offense in football.

I think its fair to say you have no idea what you are talking about.

Completion %: 13th
Yards: 2nd
TD's: 4th
TD%: 12th
Int: 14th most
Int%: 13th
Y/A: 6th
Rating: 10th

To say that he is top 5 in every major category is crazy talk. He played 16 games and threw the ball a lot. The only categories he is top 5 in are Yards and TD's which is deceptive. Winston was better in both. Is anyone begging to sign him for $35m per year?

cowboyschmps3 · Feb 12, 2020

nightrain said:
Stafford is a better QB than Dak, but his body is breaking down on him, particularly his back. He probably could play another 3 years, but I don't see anything more than that.

I always wanted it to be him to replace Romo one day, I love Dak but if it ain’t him Stafford would be great for me!

JustChip · Feb 13, 2020

Killerinstinct said:
Here are the reasons from every angle.

Why would Dallas do it?
Stafford has 3 years left on his contract.
Much better cap situation than what Dak will be.
Stafford is better than Dak and would crush in our offense
Just turned 32 and would easily fulfill his contract and maybe another few years.
Could end up gaining a 1st rd pick (will explain later)

Why would Det do it?
They are in place to get Tua if they choose
They are rebuilding
They could add an extra 1st rd pick. Maybe Tua and Fulton instead of Okuda
By trading Stafford and drafting Tua the staff buys some time to rebuild and likely can keep their jobs for a few years.

Why would Stafford go along with it?
He's a local kid and grew up a Cowboys fan
He has potential HOF numbers but likely wouldn't get in unless he gets a chance to win some big games.
Better talent around him.
He's getting older and our OL could prolong his career.
His kids get to be around the grandparents.
The best cancer treatment center in the country is in Tex(his wife has a brain tumor)

How would it go down?

Tag Dak with the non exclusive tag. New England or New Orleans(if Brees retires)or another team picking late decides he is worth giving up 2 1sts for him.

We trade the newly acquired 2020 1st rd pick to Det for Stafford. We still have pick 17 and gain an extra 2021 1st rd pick. We save cap space and gain a Qb built to win now. Reports are that he is fully recovered from injury and by sitting out the season he avoided any long term damage.

Let me get this straight. Your premise is Stafford is a better QB than Dak and an upgrade over him. So NE (with arguably the greatest coach ever) and NO (with one of the best coaches in this era) will give up 2 1sts for the “lesser” QB, but Jerry is so shrewd all we have to give up for the “better” QB is 1 1st?

Fastpitch Dad · Feb 13, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
That’s all great, If the OP believes what you do about Stafford then getting rid of Dak for Stafford makes zero sense, but that’s what the OP
Is proposing.

Thank you for offering an opposing view of the OP's idea without using words like "stupid", "idiot", "moron", etc.

I don't always agree with you but I do appreciate how you are able to post without all the immaturity. A lot of folks could take a few lessons from you.

phildadon86 · Feb 13, 2020

garyo1954 said:
It should be mentioned that 3 of Brady's 4th Qtr Comebacks have come in the post season......

2-5-2017 New England vs Atlanta.....a 34-28 win. Something they call a Super Bowl.

What’s your point? This thread is discussing the regular season stats of Dak. Not postseason. And since it’s about stafford let’s talk about Dak vs him in the playoffs.

DHCBF66 · Feb 13, 2020

Killerinstinct said:
Stafford has 3 years left on his contract.

Stafford has 1 year left on his deal.....

nightrain · Feb 13, 2020

cowboyschmps3 said:
I always wanted it to be him to replace Romo one day, I love Dak but if it ain’t him Stafford would be great for me!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-lions-trying-trade-matthew-113321933.html

Rayman70 · Feb 13, 2020

Dak makes everyone around better when he has protection. Stafford, not so much. He's too much of a gunslinger and not real accurate...LOVE his killer mentality, but what does it for me is he has alotta miles on him and has a bad back. SO ITS A EASY PASS FOR ME. We have a young buck that is getting better with age and is NEVER EVER HURT. Durability and availability matters. I understand Stafford didn't miss any games due to injury til this year, if I am correct, but that bad back is my main worry.

InTheZone · Feb 13, 2020

I'd take Stafford, but they're not getting a 1st from us

CowboyRoy · Feb 13, 2020

garyo1954 said:
It becoming too obvious you parrot what you think you read and do no research. The post you're trying to quote was about QBS with winning record vs winning teams. But you didn't comprehend it. And you provide no research for what you say. So I'll politely refuse to take your word for anything until you back it up with stats. Do your homework.

I think I'm going to cry. LOL

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...prescott-carson-wentz-aaron-rodgers-tom-brady

comprehend this buddy. Plenty more where that came from.

CowboyRoy · Feb 13, 2020

doomsday9084 said:
Completion %: 13th
Yards: 2nd
TD's: 4th
TD%: 12th
Int: 14th most
Int%: 13th
Y/A: 6th
Rating: 10th

To say that he is top 5 in every major category is crazy talk. He played 16 games and threw the ball a lot. The only categories he is top 5 in are Yards and TD's which is deceptive. Winston was better in both. Is anyone begging to sign him for $35m per year?

Cherry picking I see. From the same list you glossed over and cherry picked:

Most important:
Yards: 2nd
TD's: 4th
QBR: 5th
Y/A: 6th
Sack%: 4th

Other categories top he is high in:
Yards/G: 3rd
Y/C: 5th
NY/A: 3rd
ANY/A: 6th
Y/C: 5th

Anything else you want to discuss?

Winston is a great QB at winging the ball, but his big issue is decision making, leadership, and throwing picks. AS he became the first QB to throw for 30 TD's and throw 30 picks. If he had Dak's game management skills and leadership, he would be getting 35 million right about now. 35 million is the tipping point. Anything above that and gets ridiculous. Otherwise, its a move the Cowboys have to make. And yah, plenty of people get that.

mcmvp · Feb 13, 2020

GMO415 said:
Uh no. The dude is not a leader.

I think the whole Dak is this great leader narrative is way overblown. What exactly does Dak do to lead that Stafford doesn't do? And how exactly would you know about Stafford's leadership qualities anyway?

Is Dak being a great leader when he tells a media member to make sure they report that he will be nowhere near Dallas during this offseason? He's basically threatening to withhold his services if he doesn't get what he wants. Was Zeke touted as a leader when he did the same? These actions scream 'me' a hell of a lot more than they scream 'we'. Do leaders scream 'me'?

I'm not saying Dak is a bad person - I don't think he is. I'm saying he is normal. I'm saying fans and some media people screaming the 'Dak is a great leader' narrative is, quite frankly, a bunch of overstated BS.

doomsday9084 · Feb 13, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Cherry picking I see. From the same list you glossed over and cherry picked:

Most important:
Yards: 2nd
TD's: 4th
QBR: 5th
Y/A: 6th
Sack%: 4th

Other categories top he is high in:
Yards/G: 3rd
Y/C: 5th
NY/A: 3rd
ANY/A: 6th
Y/C: 5th

Anything else you want to discuss?

Winston is a great QB at winging the ball, but his big issue is decision making, leadership, and throwing picks. AS he became the first QB to throw for 30 TD's and throw 30 picks. If he had Dak's game management skills and leadership, he would be getting 35 million right about now. 35 million is the tipping point. Anything above that and gets ridiculous. Otherwise, its a move the Cowboys have to make. And yah, plenty of people get that.

You said he was top 5 in "every major category". I showed that you were wrong. Even further, I showed that the two categories that Dak was best in (TD's and yards), Winston was actually better and we all know Winston is a mediocre at best QB. That kind of makes the validity of those particular stats questionable.

CATCH17 · Feb 13, 2020

mcmvp said:
I think the whole Dak is this great leader narrative is way overblown. What exactly does Dak do to lead that Stafford doesn't do? And how exactly would you know about Stafford's leadership qualities anyway?

Is Dak being a great leader when he tells a media member to make sure they report that he will be nowhere near Dallas during this offseason? He's basically threatening to withhold his services if he doesn't get what he wants. Was Zeke touted as a leader when he did the same? These actions scream 'me' a hell of a lot more than they scream 'we'. Do leaders scream 'me'?

I'm not saying Dak is a bad person - I don't think he is. I'm saying he is normal. I'm saying fans and some media people screaming the 'Dak is a great leader' narrative is, quite frankly, a bunch of overstated BS.

I think Dak is a good leader but being a good leader doesn't mean you're a great QB.

His leadership ability should be a very tiny factor when evaluating his overall game. It's just some nice insurance for your overall investment.

Hawkeye0202 · Feb 13, 2020

Just in case anyone missed it, Lions GM just said Stafford isn't going anywhere.......kill this thread (lol).

CATCH17 · Feb 13, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
Just in case anyone missed it, Lions GM just said Stafford isn't going anywhere.......kill this thread (lol).

Sounds like they have been trying for a few weeks to find a trade and nobody wanted to trade.

They probably over valued him and wanted a 1st round pick and now they are acting like they are clueless to these trade talks.

If Brady leaves New England before the draft I could see him going there in a trade.

Sydla · Feb 13, 2020

I'll be honest........... I'd be intrigued by this if it were a shorter term deal and we were prepared to take a QB high in this draft.

It's unlikely as I think they like Dak going forward but I wouldn't be totally against this (or Rivers).

Hawkeye0202 · Feb 13, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Sounds like they have been trying for a few weeks to find a trade and nobody wanted to trade.

They probably over valued him and wanted a 1st round pick and now they are acting like they are clueless to these trade talks.

If Brady leaves New England before the draft I could see him going there in a trade.

Catch.......you may wanna start paying attention to what teams say sometimes. More times than, their public statements are calculated and well thought out. See below.......(lol)

MATTHEW STAFFORDQB, DETROIT LIONS

Lions GM Bob Quinn said that trade rumors surrounding QB Matthew Stafford are "100% false!"
It would cost the Lions $32 million against the cap for Stafford to *not* be on their roster in 2020. He also thrived in his first season under new OC Darrell Bevell before breaking his back. Any rumors suggesting Stafford could be on the move are assuredly false and erroneous.

SOURCE: NFL.com
Feb 13, 2020, 8:52 AM ET

garyo1954 · Feb 13, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I think I'm going to cry. LOL

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...prescott-carson-wentz-aaron-rodgers-tom-brady

comprehend this buddy. Plenty more where that came from.

You should cry. It's exactly what I told you last night.

But I am happy you posted that. It has nothing supporting your "some teams have better records against winning teams" in your last post. So I hope you spent a couple of hours looking for it because you wasted your time.

Teams: Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, New England Patriots, etc. Tom Brady is a New England Patriot, but he is not the New England Patriots.

When you say teams, refer to the first sentence in the above paragraph, you are saying the 2-14, 49ers were as good against winning teams as the 14-2, 49ers. I bet they weren't.

Teams record change from year to year or decade to decade. And team records change with different QBs. (The same can be said of coaches).

One day, you'll say "I don't understand the Patriots should be killing winning teams."
And a little voice will whisper in your ear, "Tom Brady retired."

Of course, this is all wasted breath since you can't differentiate between team, QB, or coach. You don't get it so I accept your ignorance of the subject.

So go to your room, slam the door, and bawl your eyes out while I laugh.

Starforever · Feb 13, 2020

CowboysRule said:
No, because Dak has not played like a top QB he does not deserve to be paid like one.

He has played just as good, or better than Romo did, in his first four years. Give me a better reason, why he doesn't deserve to be paid.

Matthew Stafford is the QB I would go after

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