How about that 2019 Draft Class!

kskboys · Feb 13, 2020

John813 said:
I get that, but unlike Jerry of 2002 who was an one man draft show, he sort of evolved since Parcells, outside of the dud of a class in 2009, and allowed more voices in the draft room.

I just can't see Jerry looking over prospects and landing on T. Hill by himself unless his coaches/others talked Hill up to him.

It is Jerry's responsibility to hire the guys who are responsible. Just the nature of the position.

cern · Feb 13, 2020

If the skins and giants are proven to have failed with their first round qb's, our draft won't look so bad. blowing it with your first rounder is bad. blowing it when your first rounder is your supposed qb of the future is the worst.

CWR · Feb 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
I didn't have as much of an issue that Zeke took himself out at times last season, my issue was with the when he did it. There are times when this team needs their top running back on the field, and he should know that and plan accordingly. I don't recall Emmitt doing the same when he was in his prime.

Unless they get contributions out of more than Cooper and Pollard, they won't get a passing grade from me.

Cooper was a proven commodity that you got on the cheap for exactly half a season. Not exactly a genius level move. And as good as Pollard might be, he's still your backup running back behind the guy yiu made the highest-paid in the league. How much will he ever be able to truly contribute?

That was my issue with Zeke as well. He carried the hell out of the ball, its not debatable. The problem was when he took himself out. Had our coaches rotated TP im more maybe Zeke wouldn't have pulled himself. It was especially frustrating when Zeke and the run game were struggling and they still wouldn't put Pollard in. Then on the most crucial downs, when Zeke is seeing the field well and has all the momentum he'd be on the sidelines and we'd see a cold TP in the backfield. It was maddening.

Stash · Feb 13, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
That was my issue with Zeke as well. He carried the hell out of the ball, its not debatable. The problem was when he took himself out. Had our coaches rotated TP im more maybe Zeke wouldn't have pulled himself. It was especially frustrating when Zeke and the run game were struggling and they still wouldn't put Pollard in. Then on the most crucial downs, when Zeke is seeing the field well and has all the momentum he'd be on the sidelines and we'd see a cold TP in the backfield. It was maddening.

Yes it was. In the red zone most of all. Somebody needs to have a good talk with him about exactly when you can and cannot afford to 'tap out' for a breather. Not questioning his 'heart', but his 'smarts'.

Whyjerry · Feb 13, 2020

Loso86 said:
Yea your right. Except when I blame him for the bad I blame him for the hood that comes to I'm not bias ti just negative. Plus would be nice if these players that tall so much would show up when it counts

What good are we talking about? Good at excuses maybe.

John813 · Feb 13, 2020

kskboys said:
It is Jerry's responsibility to hire the guys who are responsible. Just the nature of the position.

I agree with that as well. I wasn't trying to absolve Jerry of all error for the 2019 draft, but just saying that he heard his DC's pleas for a DT(Hill) and supported the pick. They would/will all get egg on their face if Hill infact busts, but I didn't agree with the OP's premise of "Jerry doing GM Jerry things" in this instance. I feel that's more of his impulse moves, which have been reduced lately.

Stash · Feb 13, 2020

John813 said:
I agree with that as well. I wasn't trying to absolve Jerry of all error for the 2019 draft, but just saying that he heard his DC's pleas for a DT(Hill) and supported the pick. They would/will all get egg on their face if Hill infact busts, but I didn't agree with the OP's premise of "Jerry doing GM Jerry things" in this instance. I feel that's more of his impulse moves, which have been reduced lately.

I see replacing one mistake with another.

Great that he's no longer that Ol' Wildcatter in round 2 anymore, rolling the dice on Randy Gregory and huge risks. But then he followed that up by allowing his coaches to overrule his scouts, in 2017 with Taco (over TJ Watt) and then again in 2019 with Trysten Hill over Juan Thornhill (and other talent).

Jerry effectively traded in one draft mistake for another. They ALL need to stop!

big dog cowboy · Feb 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
I didn't have as much of an issue that Zeke took himself out at times last season, my issue was with the when he did it. There are times when this team needs their top running back on the field, and he should know that and plan accordingly. I don't recall Emmitt doing the same when he was in his prime.

Amen! Emmitt didn't tap. He was a machine. There is much Zeke could learn from #22.

Stash · Feb 13, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Amen! Emmitt didn't tap. He was a machine. There is much Zeke could learn from #22.

Blast From The Past · Feb 13, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
Yes. I won't argue how the class looks at this point. We need to see CM play. TP looks better than advertised and Coop is a stud. If we hit on all 3 of those Im not sure how we can call it a bad draft class.

true that would change that draft class status completely.

Loso86 · Feb 13, 2020

Whyjerry said:
What good are we talking about? Good at excuses maybe.

Well since the convo started with the bad draft class last year I'm gonna say the good drafts that they have had..??? Lol oh boy.. hard to go off of stats that say last year was a bad draft and not go off stats they say there one of the best drafters in previous years my guy

Whyjerry · Feb 13, 2020

Loso86 said:
Well since the convo started with the bad draft class last year I'm gonna say the good drafts that they have had..??? Lol oh boy.. hard to go off of stats that say last year was a bad draft and not go off stats they say there one of the best drafters in previous years my guy

How many playoffs wins have they had since 1995? Isn’t that the ultimate proof of GM Jerry’s football IQ? All these “best drafts” have yielded what exactly?

HungryLion · Feb 13, 2020

CATCH17 said:
We'll keep him and get rid of defenders.

Then we will complain about our defense not being good enough i'm sure.

And then when the offense drops from #6 in scoring to number #15 in scoring, I’m sure nobody will complain about that either.

CATCH17 · Feb 13, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
And then when the offense drops from #6 in scoring to number #15 in scoring, I’m sure nobody will complain about that either.

We can easily replace Dak’s 20ish TDs.

HungryLion · Feb 13, 2020

CATCH17 said:
He was ok.

He had off the charts workouts but it didn't show up on the field.

Nobody loves a great combine or pro day workout more then me but you'd like to see them be good on the field first.

The biggest problem with the Trysten Hill pick that I have is that it was pre-determined.

This is the thing that irked me too. Rumors were swirling that Hill was going to be the pick.

Then a better prospect, at another position of need, Juan Thornhill was falling. And the cowboys still didn’t take him despite the fact that he was a better prospect at a different position of need.

the cowboys had the draft card filled out with Hill’s name from the jump.

HungryLion · Feb 13, 2020

CATCH17 said:
We can easily replace Dak’s 20ish TDs.

33 but who is counting.

And I keep hearing you say over and over again how easy it is to find quality QB play nowadays. Despite there being no evidence that indicates that to be true.

CATCH17 · Feb 13, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
33 but who is counting.

And I keep hearing you say over and over again how easy it is to find quality QB play nowadays. Despite there being no evidence that indicates that to be true.

That’s because some of the slightly better then mediocre QBs like Dak don’t play on good teams like he does.

Loso86 · Feb 13, 2020

Whyjerry said:
How many playoffs wins have they had since 1995? Isn’t that the ultimate proof of GM Jerry’s football IQ? All these “best drafts” have yielded what exactly?

Thats fine then let's start the convo with that and not about 1 presumed bad draft class after 1 year

Loso86 · Feb 13, 2020

Whyjerry said:
How many playoffs wins have they had since 1995? Isn’t that the ultimate proof of GM Jerry’s football IQ? All these “best drafts” have yielded what exactly?

And give him credit or not. How many owner GMs have 3 superbowls yea it's been 25 plus years but regardless he has them

Reverend Conehead · Feb 13, 2020

I think they did pretty well with Tony Pollard.

How about that 2019 Draft Class!

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