Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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I see QBs getting let go by the pound this year, only one of them accomplished something. I am a firm believer that we'll be in Dak's boat for the next 10 years without anything to show for it, just like all those other loser franchises.

We know what we have, he's not going to flip a switch and be a decisive passer. We can't win when he's on minimum wage, but somehow the team as a whole is going to get fixed while he's demanding to be close to the highest paid in the league? Yeah common sense tells me we can find similar performance elsewhere for cheaper, whether through FA or the draft and the offensive support we have will spoil the hell out of the new guy that's for sure.
This is about as true as it gets and common sense cant see it that way.
 

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Every day I read a new thread about that QB who is going to somehow make us look like a genius for not signing Dak.

-- Matthew Stafford? Didn't anyone learn with Aikman what happens to an immobile QB over 30 with a bad back?
-- Teddy Bridgewater? How many games has he proven himself in his career since 2015? You realize he never threw more than 14 TDs a year before his injury?
-- Philip Rivers? He almost threw more interceptions than TDs in his worst year ever. He was booed out of the stadium by his own fans his last game!
-- Tom Brady? He turns 43 this year! I repeat, he turns 43! I didn't even trust myself jumping off my truck tailgate at 43. Nevermind a QB in the NFL!
-- Insert whichever QB is the flavor of the moment.

Here we have a 26 year old QB about to enter the prime of his career. Except for one sophomore slump, he has pulled in terrific numbers and wins every year. I won't post the repeat stat threads that show how Dak lines up well against all the recent great QBs in most significant stats and wins numbers. He's not a choker in the Playoffs. He just got done with a record year on a team that had given up on its head coach, and oh yeah, he tried to close it out with more than one significant injury. We'll never see him in a rape or wife beater headline, we'll never see the team give up on him or him isolate them with his primadonna act. He IS high grade quality individual, tough as nails, and this is about as safe a contract as you can gamble on.

You want to rally against him because he won't sign for the same as the last QB free agent? Fine. But look at the competition above. His agent isn't stupid. Someone will pony up $40 million a year for Dak. He is the only one on the list who guarantees you 7 years of a franchise QB.

If you want to have a serious QB debate, why not talk about some 2nd-4th round draft pick bargains that could become the next... gulp... Dak! Just in case we have to franchise him and it goes south. I look forward to someone telling me who that next hidden draft pick is who could play Tony Romo into retirement.

The question is if Dak is worth the money he's asking, not necessarily if there are better options out there. Are there other QB's that could have taken us to 8 and 8? We sat at home for the payoffs and are debating giving our QB upwards of $40 million per season. It's pretty ridiculous.
 

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A few of those teams are setting themselves up for next year's draft IMO, making way for the next Andrew Luck.

I'd say Andy Dalton is the closest record comparison to Dak. In his first 4 years Dalton went 43-23-1 compared to Dak's 40-24. His fifth year Dalton won 10 running his record to 53-26-1.

The big difference is Dalton went to the play-offs in first four years.
Dalton is a pretty good comparison! Watched Dak, Dalton, Rivers and Brees in some QB competition a few years ago and Dak was throwing the football and he it took him about 3 throws before he realized he has to really step into the throw much more than the other QBs. He really struggled to get the ball there and with accuracy. Even Dalton looked better than Dak.
 

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Dalton is a pretty good comparison! Watched Dak, Dalton, Rivers and Brees in some QB competition a few years ago and Dak was throwing the football and he it took him about 3 throws before he realized he has to really step into the throw much more than the other QBs. He really struggled to get the ball there and with accuracy. Even Dalton looked better than Dak.
But these clowns think were imagining things when we say Dak doesnt pass the eyeball test. There is a reason the NFL scouts go out and watch QBs throw the ball instead of just looking at numbers.
 

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I see QBs getting let go by the pound this year, only one of them accomplished something. I am a firm believer that we'll be in Dak's boat for the next 10 years without anything to show for it, just like all those other loser franchises.

We know what we have, he's not going to flip a switch and be a decisive passer. We can't win when he's on minimum wage, but somehow the team as a whole is going to get fixed while he's demanding to be close to the highest paid in the league? Yeah common sense tells me we can find similar performance elsewhere for cheaper, whether through FA or the draft and the offensive support we have will spoil the hell out of the new guy that's for sure.
Then go away for 10 years and spare us all you incessant whining about it.
 

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But these clowns think were imagining things when we say Dak doesnt pass the eyeball test. There is a reason the NFL scouts go out and watch QBs throw the ball instead of just looking at numbers.
These clowns like Troy Aikman? :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
 

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These clowns like Troy Aikman? :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:
You do realize the things I see during the eyeball test with Dak are also things the NFL scouts saw.
Weaknesses
  • Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
  • Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
  • Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
  • Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
  • Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
  • Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
  • Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
  • Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
  • Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
  • Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
  • Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
  • Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
  • Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
  • Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner
 

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1. Get Brady for 3 years.

2. Draft a QB in the first round.

3. Bring new QB along under Brady and in the meantime enjoy 1 or 2 SB wins.

PS: Yes. This team is lacking only in one position.


Tom Brady is going to fix the worst special teams in the league? Tom Brady is going to intercept passes on defense?


Man he really is the GOAT
 

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You do realize the things I see during the eyeball test with Dak are also things the NFL scouts saw.
Weaknesses
  • Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
  • Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
  • Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
  • Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
  • Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
  • Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
  • Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
  • Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
  • Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
  • Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
  • Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
  • Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
  • Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
  • Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner




I love when people post Dak’s scouting report from 4 years ago, but then fail to discuss any of the improvements he has made since that scouting report.

it’s cute.

it’s even better because they never post the strengths from his scouting report and they never compare his scouting report to other good QB’s who are entering the draft to see what scouts have to say about their weaknesses.

just the best.
 

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Until the signing, no one knows what the amount will be to determine if it's team friendly or not. It's all about the guaranteed amount. So I don't see the point of being all doom and gloom.
 

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I love when people post Dak’s scouting report from 4 years ago, but then fail to discuss any of the improvements he has made since that scouting report.

it’s cute.

it’s even better because they never post the strengths from his scouting report and they never compare his scouting report to other good QB’s who are entering the draft to see what scouts have to say about their weaknesses.

just the best.

Here was the scout’s summary of Brady’s football ability: “Tough, will take hit to deliver the ball. Durable, but not real strong. Not overly quick setting up. Comes on balance to throw. Doesn’t throw a tight ball; it waffles a lot. Puts lots of air under his deep balls. Lacks deep-ball accuracy; will underthrow. Limited pocket movement. Has weight down to improve his quickness and mobility. Can throw on the move. Questionable read ability. At times, I think he predetermines his throws. Lacks accuracy; sprays the ball.”

Here was his summary of Brady’s NFL potential: “Lacks nimbleness and foot quickness in the pocket. Not a runner or a scrambler. Labors. Has winning ways. Can bring them back. Not real gifted or natural as a passer. Does not throw a tight ball. Does not have a big-time arm. Backup at best; don’t see him as a starter. Worth bringing to camp. May make some teams.”

I mean, I can't expect much out of this Brady fellow cause I read a bad scouting report on him.
 

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You do realize the things I see during the eyeball test with Dak are also things the NFL scouts saw.
Weaknesses
  • Inconsistency mars almost every aspect of his game, especially mechanically
  • Rocks back with a slight hitch in his delivery when putting zip on the ball
  • Can wind up with longer release when going down the field
  • Tendency to release the ball a tad early, resulting in a sailing or fluttering pass
  • Needs to vary the pace of the ball to match the situation/route (no bullets on screens)
  • Location and accuracy are generally poor, makes receivers adjust to off-target balls and minimizes yards after catch
  • Makes very poor decisions at times, forces passes into coverage
  • Footwork can get sloppy, will fall off his base throwing to his left, loses accuracy/velocity
  • Doesn’t possess the heralded “power arm” that he was once rumored to have
  • Deep ball accuracy is lacking, touch passing needs a compass
  • Does not throw with anticipation, poor timing leads to late throws to all areas of the field
  • Can be confused and fooled by more intricate coverage schemes (ex. Alabama’s pattern reading)
  • Lacks accuracy and velocity when throwing on the move
  • Not a great athlete, heavy-footed and lacking lateral quickness and explosiveness as a runner
He did have some of those weakness coming out of college. Key word "did". Like I said, I'll believe Troy over some internet hack.
 

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It’s not really that we believe it. It’s that we know there are lots of better options out there. You can’t explain it to the Dak homers because the eye test means nothing to them. They love those 4000+ yard fantasy numbers.
If there really was lots of better options out there then every team would have a good QB
 

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Every day I read a new thread about that QB who is going to somehow make us look like a genius for not signing Dak.

-- Matthew Stafford? Didn't anyone learn with Aikman what happens to an immobile QB over 30 with a bad back?
-- Teddy Bridgewater? How many games has he proven himself in his career since 2015? You realize he never threw more than 14 TDs a year before his injury?
-- Philip Rivers? He almost threw more interceptions than TDs in his worst year ever. He was booed out of the stadium by his own fans his last game!
-- Tom Brady? He turns 43 this year! I repeat, he turns 43! I didn't even trust myself jumping off my truck tailgate at 43. Nevermind a QB in the NFL!
-- Insert whichever QB is the flavor of the moment.

Here we have a 26 year old QB about to enter the prime of his career. Except for one sophomore slump, he has pulled in terrific numbers and wins every year. I won't post the repeat stat threads that show how Dak lines up well against all the recent great QBs in most significant stats and wins numbers. He's not a choker in the Playoffs. He just got done with a record year on a team that had given up on its head coach, and oh yeah, he tried to close it out with more than one significant injury. We'll never see him in a rape or wife beater headline, we'll never see the team give up on him or him isolate them with his primadonna act. He IS high grade quality individual, tough as nails, and this is about as safe a contract as you can gamble on.

You want to rally against him because he won't sign for the same as the last QB free agent? Fine. But look at the competition above. His agent isn't stupid. Someone will pony up $40 million a year for Dak. He is the only one on the list who guarantees you 7 years of a franchise QB.

If you want to have a serious QB debate, why not talk about some 2nd-4th round draft pick bargains that could become the next... gulp... Dak! Just in case we have to franchise him and it goes south. I look forward to someone telling me who that next hidden draft pick is who could play Tony Romo into retirement.
Stafford and Brady and rivers are better QBs than Dak . Actually it would also be better to get a new QB from the draft and spend 2020 cap money on fixing the D , while grooming a good rookie for 2021 and beyond .
bottom line , Dak won’t lead the cowboys to a Super Bowl . Just look at his performances in 2019 and 2018 . He chokes often and isn’t accurate at all behind the best OL and an elite RB . Jerry and Stephen got him he premier WR in 2019 and he still choked. What makes you think he is worthy? And yes Romo was a better QB hands down .
 

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Tom Brady is going to fix the worst special teams in the league? Tom Brady is going to intercept passes on defense?


Man he really is the GOAT

No but he puts so much preassure on other teams that they will commit errors.

Doi you really think our team forgot about how to tackle from 1 year to the other ?

You make more errors or get sloppy with your technique when you constantly have to give 100%. When you are playing lesser competition you can play at 80% and still beat them. At 80% you dont make so many mistakes, and look a lot better on tape.
 
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