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Stash · Feb 14, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Ya every person of grade school mentality helped along with drugs knows that the number one criteria for a great player, especially a QB is for that QB to have one good season in EIGHT and be on SEVEN teams. They think there can't be any higher accomplishment than to bounce around from one team to the next.

You're like the weatherman who says tomorrow it will be warm and sunny and in reality it turns out to be cold and rainy. Wait, you're not even that good.
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Oh look, it's the hypocrite again, who claims:

gjkoeppen said:
I just don't get why people want to keep on rehashing the same thing over and over.

Yet proceeds to comment in that same thread "over and over".

gjkoeppen · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
Oh look, it's the hypocrite again, who claims:
Yet proceeds to comment in that same thread "over and over".

Blah blah blah blah, blah blah and blah blah blah. Besides blah blah blah not to mention blah blah blah. If blah and blah , blah blah blah for sure.
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TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
Really? Two years is "years removed" for you?

Is this really the best "Case" against him you can make?

If so, it's a piss poor one.

So is 2 years plural or singular? Should I had said he was a “year removed”? He’s been trash his whole career except one year which in reality wasn’t that great of a year.

Like I said above If the plan is to suck than you can just let Cooper Rush go out there.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

Kevinicus said:
Talent wise? Yes, quite a bit. Especially on offense.

Possible exception at TE, depending on who is healthy at the time for Wash.

Vikings has 7 Pro Bowlers and 4 all pros....

garyo1954 · Feb 14, 2020

I'd put Keenum in Denver as QB2 behind Locke. Shurmur is in Denver and Keenum knows the system (actually had his career year in Minnesota with Shurmur).

Stash · Feb 14, 2020

rocyaice said:
So is 2 years plural or singular? Should I had said he was a “year removed”? He’s been trash his whole career except one year which in reality wasn’t that great of a year.

Like I said above If the plan is to suck than you can just let Cooper Rush go out there.

If Keenum’s year “wasn’t that great”, how would you categorize Dak’s even lesser numbers during that same year?

I will await your answer. And the accompanying excuses.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
If Keenum’s year “wasn’t that great”, how would you categorize Dak’s even lesser numbers during that same year?

I will await your answer. And the accompanying excuses.

I thought 2017 was considered a bad year by pretty much everyone? You guys have got to learn how to defend your stance without having to knock Dak to do it. I for one thought 2017 was a bad year so I don’t know what excuses you are looking for.

Kevinicus · Feb 14, 2020

rocyaice said:
Vikings has 7 Pro Bowlers and 4 all pros....

Most of that was on defense, no? They had 2 offensive players (one initially). Dallas had 4 (not counting Dak) after Cooper was added as an alternate this year.

And again...one year on a decent team and it's Dak numbers and you say it wasn't all that great. Doesn't that mean Dak has never been all that great...with better offensive talent?

Stash · Feb 14, 2020

rocyaice said:
I thought 2017 was considered a bad year by pretty much everyone? You guys have got to learn how to defend your stance without having to knock Dak to do it.

Who's "knocking Dak"? I just pointed out your own double standard. I knew there would be an excuse when it was mentioned that Keenum had a better 2017. You're the guy that said his "wasn't that great".

I for one thought 2017 was a bad year so I don’t know what excuses you are looking for.

So you're "knocking Dak" by saying 2017 was a "bad year". Thanks for clearing it up.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

Kevinicus said:
Most of that was on defense, no? They had 2 offensive players (one initially). Dallas had 4 (not counting Dak) after Cooper was added as an alternate this year.

And again...one year on a decent team and it's Dak numbers and you say it wasn't all that great. Doesn't that mean Dak has never been all that great...with better offensive talent?

I wouldn’t say that. Keenum is 31. Dak is 26. Hardly the same situation.
But yes one could form the opinion that Dak isn’t all that great. He’s had 3 good years and one bad.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
Who's "knocking Dak"? I just pointed out your own double standard. I knew there would be an excuse when it was mentioned that Keenum had a better 2017. You're the guy that said his "wasn't that great".

So you're "knocking Dak" by saying 2017 was a "bad year". Thanks for clearing it up.

What excuse did I give? All I’m saying is in order to defend Keenum you don’t have to bring up Dak. Or do you?

Stash · Feb 14, 2020

rocyaice said:
What excuse did I give? All I’m saying is in order to defend Keenum you don’t have to bring up Dak. Or do you?

It's perfectly within my right, especially if it exposes people's double standards. In case you hadn't noticed, plenty of Cowboys fans here are trying to bash Keenum when in fact he had a better 2017 season that their own quarterback did. And he took a team further in the playoffs than the Cowboys have seen in nearly 25 years. So I think those bashing him can use some improved perspective and intelligence.

Bobhaze · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
Before I get into the meat of this thread, let me preface by saying that it was not created to try to stir up the vigorous debate and arguments from the initial thread that featured the name Case Keenum. But in looking over the guy's career and body of work, I continue to find him an intriguing option to put into the mix for this team.

I'm not saying 'he's better than Dak', so nobody get the wrong impression or your panties in a bunch!

What I am saying, is that hes easily better than Cooper Rush, and somewhere in between Dak level and Rush level.

And what does interest me is in signing Keenum, for two reasons:

To give this team a better backup quarterback, someone who has and can win games if needed. Rush has never shown that ability.

To give this team some measure of fallback option if things did take a bad turn in Dak negotiations. If Dak were to hold out, or somehow force a trade, the cupboard for the Cowboys isn't completely bare.

Based on Keenum's 2019 salary and standing, I think the guy could be had on a multi-year deal in the $4 - $5 million range, at most.

And he proved that on a good team, he can win, and get you to an NFC Championship Game, if the pieces are there around him.

And again, before anyone gets it twisted, nobody is saying the guy is a world beater. But take some time yourself and take a look at his career, college and pros. I think he makes more a decent, highly-affordable option.

Thoughts?

(Here's to hoping I haven't reopened Pandora's box!)

I like Case Keenum as a backup. We have been shaky at backup QB for 2-3 years. I think it has a lot to do with two things the FO thinks:
1. Dak is very physically reliable QB. He has started 67 straight games for this team (64 reg season games, 3 playoff games) without any major injury. I think his resilience has made the FO think they won’t need to worry about a decent backup. But despite Dak’s toughness having a better backup that Cooper Rush is more important this offseason.

2. This team used to spend more cap space on a backup toward the end of Romo’s career because Romo was fragile. We kept guys like Brad “Checkdown” Johnson, Jon Kitna and Kyle Orton, all which cost a lot more than Cooper Rush.

Back to Case Keenum. He’s certainly a more than capable backup. The only question I have is at what price? I can’t imagine he will be cheap.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
It's perfectly within my right, especially if it exposes people's double standards. In case you hadn't noticed, plenty of Cowboys fans here are trying to bash Keenum when in fact he had a better 2017 season that their own quarterback did. And he took a team further in the playoffs than the Cowboys have seen in nearly 25 years. So I think those bashing him can use some improved perspective and intelligence.

Keenum took nothing. To say he took the Vikings the the NFC game is extremely wreckless and far from the truth. That defense happened to have been one of the best in the league.

And using 2017 to show how good Keenum is in 2020 is like using 2013 to show how good Greg Hardy can be for us.

garyo1954 · Feb 14, 2020

rocyaice said:
Keenum took nothing. To say he took the Vikings the the NFC game is extremely wreckless and far from the truth. That defense happened to have been one of the best in the league.

And using 2017 to show how good Keenum is in 2020 is like using 2013 to show how good Greg Hardy can be for us.

Now you done it man! That's not something I would put out there because, "Using 2016 Dak to prove how good Dak can be in 2020......."

See what I'm saying?

Blast From The Past · Feb 14, 2020

kskboys said:
In the words of the scouts, "Rush has a lollipop arm." Quite simply, he lacks the arm strength to be an NFL QB. So, it's really not an unknown. I'm still in shock that he's our backup.

Why was a qb brought in to be your backup with a known flaw as such?

Stash · Feb 14, 2020

rocyaice said:
Keenum took nothing. To say he took the Vikings the the NFC game is extremely wreckless and far from the truth. That defense happened to have been one of the best in the league.

It's factually accurate. The reason that you don't like it is because it short circuits your hatefest.

And using 2017 to show how good Keenum is in 2020 is like using 2013 to show how good Greg Hardy can be for us.

Derp.

Stash · Feb 14, 2020

Bobhaze said:
I like Case Keenum as a backup. We have been shaky at backup QB for 2-3 years. I think it has a lot to do with two things the FO thinks:
1. Dak is very physically reliable QB. He has started 67 straight games for this team (64 reg season games, 3 playoff games) without any major injury. I think his resilience has made the FO think they won’t need to worry about a decent backup. But despite Dak’s toughness having a better backup that Cooper Rush is more important this offseason.

2. This team used to spend more cap space on a backup toward the end of Romo’s career because Romo was fragile. We kept guys like Brad “Checkdown” Johnson, Jon Kitna and Kyle Orton, all which cost a lot more than Cooper Rush.

Back to Case Keenum. He’s certainly a more than capable backup. The only question I have is at what price? I can’t imagine he will be cheap.

He cost the Commanders $3.5 last year, but I think the Broncos may have picked up some of his contract. I'm not sure. But based on how last season went for him with Washington, I wouldn't exoect his asking price to be much higher. But like any player, it's all about demand.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

garyo1954 said:
Now you done it man! That's not something I would put out there because, "Using 2016 Dak to prove how good Dak can be in 2020......."

See what I'm saying?

Dak is 26. Keenum is 30. Dak is getting better each year. Keenum is....just Keeneming.

TheMarathonContinues · Feb 14, 2020

stasheroo said:
It's factually accurate. The reason that you don't like it is because it short circuits your hatefest.

Derp.

There is nothing factual about that. It’s simply your opinion. No one would agree with that opinion either. Who in their right mind thinks the Vikings were riding Keenum in 2017?

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