Marinelli's conservative bend don't break defense is gone

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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.
 
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Cowboyny said:
I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.
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They have a lot of good players but a lot of FAs. Its gonna be interesting to see who they keep and who they bring in.
 
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I want a Defense that swarms the ball and gets after it. Everytime we got a commanding lead I would cringe. He would play that prevent crap. No wonder we never got turn overs..
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This entire bend was nothing more than a sheer stupidity scheme that we've been running since the days of Zimmer. I feel that this was imposed on each of the def. coordinators by Jones himself.

It finally took a coach like Mike McCarthy to have full reigns over the scheme on both sides of the ball to finally get rid of that cursed defensive scheme. I for one am happy its finally over and that Jerry no longer dictates total control on what's happening on the football field.
 
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ConstantReboot said:
This entire bend was nothing more than a sheer stupidity scheme that we've been running since the days of Zimmer. I feel that this was imposed on each of the def. coordinators by Jones himself.

It finally took a coach like Mike McCarthy to have full reigns over the scheme on both sides of the ball to finally get rid of that cursed defensive scheme. I for one am happy its finally over and that Jerry no longer dictates total control on what's happening on the football field.
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It was crazy to give up everything in front of you. It allows teams to move the ball and the chains all the way down the field and our Defense wouldn’t stiffen until the red zone. We may as well just Gabe teams 4 chances from the red zone and get it over with. If your winning then keep the pressure on and come after the QB. Gives us a chance for ints.
 
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glimmerman said:
It was crazy to give up everything in front of you. It allows teams to move the ball and the chains all the way down the field and our Defense wouldn’t stiffen until the red zone. We may as well just Gabe teams 4 chances from the red zone and get it over with. If your winning then keep the pressure on and come after the QB. Gives us a chance for ints.
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Our defense should be called "bend but always breaking." I can't think for one instance where it has actually won us a game or two.

I'm looking forward to what this new coaching staff comes up with. Because what we got ain't working. Never has.
 
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Cowboyny said:
I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.
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nolan runs the same scheme.

bend but don’t break.

ask the ATL fans about Nolan.

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2020/...falcons-dc-mike-nolan-for-same-role-in-dallas
 
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ConstantReboot said:
Our defense should be called "bend but always breaking." I can't think for one instance where it has actually won us a game or two.

I'm looking forward to what this new coaching staff comes up with. Because what we got ain't working. Never has.
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I remember it costing us a playoff game against the packers. Allowed rogers to make that play on the sidelines. Jones bending and breaking. Lol.

I agree with wanting to see the new scheme. I think it will be simple and we will bring some blitzes.
 
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I have no doubt there was a thread on here about "name one play that sticks in you brain you would like to have over..." can't remember who we were playing but it was at the end of the half I believe we had the lead and we sent the entire defense to the 5 yard line with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 linemen. Remember?? Short pass underneath with all the blockers and we gave up a TD. I almost vomited all over the dog!! Bend but don't "choke"! LMAO
 
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I have no doubt there was a thread on here about "name one play that sticks in you brain you would like to have over..." can't remember who we were playing but it was at the end of the half I believe we had the lead and we sent the entire defense to the 5 yard line with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 linemen. Remember?? Short pass underneath with all the blockers and we gave up a TD. I almost vomited all over the dog!! Bend but don't "choke"! LMAO
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Like I just me mentioned. The playoff game against the packers. Marinelli finally came after rogers and we mounted a come back all we had to do was hold up for a few plays and it was going into OT and I really believe we would have won that game. We were all over rogers and he was frustrated. We played that prevent crap and rogers makes the play on the sideline pass because Jones is staring at rogers instead of covering and they make the play and kick the FG and send us home. Just pressure rogers and don’t change what’s working.
 
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Yes, exactly! I was kicking the dog on that play. I will never understand why coaches are so stubborn when things aren't working-to change. In-game or for the next game just mix it up a little. I believe in the philosophy of "if it's not broke don't fix it" but in this case it almost never worked and no one was held accountable (coaches) that is until now.
 

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It was the most cowardly defense I have ever seen. It was a huge "cover your ***" scheme. The DC never called a blitz where the team could have got burned. It was all passive and "execution" based. If anything ever went bad, it was the player's fault. They effectively set the players up to fail and when they did, went to Garrett and Jones and told them it was on the players and not the coaches.

NFL teams are simply too good at moving the ball when you give them time. Games are won and lost with possession. The entire point of a defense should be to try to get the ball back. Either force a turnover or get a sack to put them in a down and distance situation they can't get out of.
 
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This thread is laughable. It's like fans always think the next guy is some kind of miracle. Does anyone remember the gunslinging ways of Rob Ryan. Multiple complex defences. Aggressive schemes and looks designed to confuse the offence, and free up players from all positions and angles to attack the QB.

Remember the results? It was was what made the Cowboys seek a "fundamentally more sound" defence. So we go to the Tampa 2, and everyone is so happy to get a pumped up coach like Rod Marinelli who stresses get off by the defence, swarm to the ball and takeaways.

I hope everyone in this forum realizes its not just one scheme that makes you successful. Neither is it one coach. I would temper your enthusiasm in thinking either Nolan or any other singular coach and scheme is going to take the Cowboys to the promised land.
 

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Doomsday77 said:
I have no doubt there was a thread on here about "name one play that sticks in you brain you would like to have over..." can't remember who we were playing but it was at the end of the half I believe we had the lead and we sent the entire defense to the 5 yard line with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 linemen. Remember?? Short pass underneath with all the blockers and we gave up a TD. I almost vomited all over the dog!! Bend but don't "choke"! LMAO
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That was the Kansas City Chiefs, with Tyreek Hill scoring the touchdown.
 
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This thread is laughable. It's like fans always think the next guy is some kind of miracle. Does anyone remember the gunslinging ways of Rob Ryan. Multiple complex defences. Aggressive schemes and looks designed to confuse the offence, and free up players from all positions and angles to attack the QB.

Remember the results? It was was what made the Cowboys seek a "fundamentally more sound" defence. So we go to the Tampa 2, and everyone is so happy to get a pumped up coach like Rod Marinelli who stresses get off by the defence, swarm to the ball and takeaways.

I hope everyone in this forum realizes its not just one scheme that makes you successful. Neither is it one coach. I would temper your enthusiasm in thinking either Nolan or any other singular coach and scheme is going to take the Cowboys to the promised land.
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No matter if it's an aggressive or conservative scheme, it all boils down to the talent, football instincts and IQ of the players to make the scheme successfully work. The biggest issue, isn't so much the scheme, but rather the players within it. Outside of maybe Lawrence, the defense just doesn't have many legitimate defensive stars/playmakers.
 
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No matter if it's an aggressive or conservative scheme, it all boils down to the talent, football instincts and IQ of the players to make the scheme successfully work. The biggest issue, isn't so much the scheme, but rather the players within it. Outside of maybe Lawrence, the defense just doesn't have many legitimate defensive stars/playmakers.
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Agree, said that much after the rams ran for nearly 300 yards in the PO, but some said it was the scheme and I said no matter the scheme the DL was getting the a--'- handed to them man on man. They were physically whipping us up front.
 
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nolan runs the same scheme.

bend but don’t break.

ask the ATL fans about Nolan.

https://www.thefalcoholic.com/2020/...falcons-dc-mike-nolan-for-same-role-in-dallas
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Your boy, Kris Richard, is still out of work.
Hell, even Marinelli has a new team to coach DL.

This attached article you dug up mentions that from 2009-2012
Nolan had good defenses. In 2013, the Atlanta defense, with
very little talent finally crumbled after Nolan managed a decent year
in 2012 with using "smoke and mirrors".

While I've admitted the Nolan hire is the most concerning, I'll give him
the benefit of doubt that you refuse to do.
 
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davidyee said:
This thread is laughable. It's like fans always think the next guy is some kind of miracle. Does anyone remember the gunslinging ways of Rob Ryan. Multiple complex defences. Aggressive schemes and looks designed to confuse the offence, and free up players from all positions and angles to attack the QB.

Remember the results? It was was what made the Cowboys seek a "fundamentally more sound" defence. So we go to the Tampa 2, and everyone is so happy to get a pumped up coach like Rod Marinelli who stresses get off by the defence, swarm to the ball and takeaways.

I hope everyone in this forum realizes its not just one scheme that makes you successful. Neither is it one coach. I would temper your enthusiasm in thinking either Nolan or any other singular coach and scheme is going to take the Cowboys to the promised land.
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So we are going to suck no matter what?
What a negative concept.
No one is saying the D will be the best in the NFL, but most agree with a new staff and scheme that will utilize the players to their strengths, it can't be much worse.

Under the old DC's, they drafted player than tried to change them into their style of an outdated predictable defense.
with Nolan and MM, they said they will draft and sign players that are "players" then fit the defense to them to allow them to succeed.
Sounds like a logical plan to be better to me.

That in itself with an entire new staff is cause for excitement this off season. Not a doom and gloom we will suck again mind set.
Just my opinion though. Maybe they will suck, but it will be worth the wait as opposed if Garrett and his band of mishap coaches were still around. Now that would have been a very depressing off season.
 
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