Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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The best scenario is Dak constantly looking over his shoulder at another realistic option.

Competition.. because no player should ever feel entirely comfortable with their status.
His whole career he’s had to play for a contract and he wants a short term deal so he will continue to be less than comfortable know he has to perform
The players I worry about being comfortable is those who want long term deals with no risk for them
 

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Dak wasn't and isn't going anywhere.

Always been the case.

I don't believe Dak is going nowhere either.
You hear/read that from the angle of Dallas/Jerry is trying to strong arm Dak. But turn it around. Does Dak Prescott really want to be a Dallas Cowboy? He "seems" to want to be paid as a Top 3 starting QB. Comes as no shocker that being the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys comes with several perks. Have any type of success, any at all and you probably has a TV career (Aikman/Romo) You get several TV commercials , not to mention the TV exposure. The 2-5 million more Dak is trying squeeze out of Dallas, his definitely makes up with endorsements because he is the Dallas Cowboy QB. He wouldn't get being with numerous of teams.

So Mr. Prescott, how much do you really want to be a starting QB with Dallas ?
 

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Every day I read a new thread about that QB who is going to somehow make us look like a genius for not signing Dak.

-- Matthew Stafford? Didn't anyone learn with Aikman what happens to an immobile QB over 30 with a bad back?
-- Teddy Bridgewater? How many games has he proven himself in his career since 2015? You realize he never threw more than 14 TDs a year before his injury?
-- Philip Rivers? He almost threw more interceptions than TDs in his worst year ever. He was booed out of the stadium by his own fans his last game!
-- Tom Brady? He turns 43 this year! I repeat, he turns 43! I didn't even trust myself jumping off my truck tailgate at 43. Nevermind a QB in the NFL!
-- Insert whichever QB is the flavor of the moment.

Here we have a 26 year old QB about to enter the prime of his career. Except for one sophomore slump, he has pulled in terrific numbers and wins every year. I won't post the repeat stat threads that show how Dak lines up well against all the recent great QBs in most significant stats and wins numbers. He's not a choker in the Playoffs. He just got done with a record year on a team that had given up on its head coach, and oh yeah, he tried to close it out with more than one significant injury. We'll never see him in a rape or wife beater headline, we'll never see the team give up on him or him isolate them with his primadonna act. He IS high grade quality individual, tough as nails, and this is about as safe a contract as you can gamble on.

You want to rally against him because he won't sign for the same as the last QB free agent? Fine. But look at the competition above. His agent isn't stupid. Someone will pony up $40 million a year for Dak. He is the only one on the list who guarantees you 7 years of a franchise QB.

If you want to have a serious QB debate, why not talk about some 2nd-4th round draft pick bargains that could become the next... gulp... Dak! Just in case we have to franchise him and it goes south. I look forward to someone telling me who that next hidden draft pick is who could play Tony Romo into retirement.

Off the top of my head with the emphasis on the word option...
Brady, Rivers, Bridgewater, Tannehill, Winston, Mariota, Fitzpatrick, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Love.
Did not do a scroll down to check if there was a similar post as this already or do a comprehensive Google search of all eligible vets or college draftees so it was a quick list.

Now as to how effective any of the above would be in comparison to Dak or how all the maneuvering that would need to take place to acquire the FAs or draft picks, that's a different story.

But they are all options.

Apologies if someone already posted similar. Didn't feel like scrolling.
 

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Off the top of my head with the emphasis on the word option...
Brady, Rivers, Bridgewater, Tannehill, Winston, Mariota, Fitzpatrick, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Fromm, Love.
Did not do a scroll down to check if there was a similar post as this already or do a comprehensive Google search of all eligible vets or college draftees so it was a quick list.

Now as to how effective any of the above would be in comparison to Dak or how all the maneuvering that would need to take place to acquire the FAs or draft picks, that's a different story.

But they are all options.

Apologies if someone already posted similar. Didn't feel like scrolling.

Add Newton, Dalton, and Carr.
 

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I see QBs getting let go by the pound this year, only one of them accomplished something. I am a firm believer that we'll be in Dak's boat for the next 10 years without anything to show for it, just like all those other loser franchises.

We know what we have, he's not going to flip a switch and be a decisive passer. We can't win when he's on minimum wage, but somehow the team as a whole is going to get fixed while he's demanding to be close to the highest paid in the league? Yeah common sense tells me we can find similar performance elsewhere for cheaper, whether through FA or the draft and the offensive support we have will spoil the hell out of the new guy that's for sure.

Unfortunately the most likely scenario
 

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Yes there will be better value QB options than paying Prescott circa $40 million which would enable us to build/maintain a stronger overall roster.
We paid Dak $1 million last year. Who should we get for a million dollars so we don’t increase our QB cost, since money is a big issue? I don’t want to pay a scrub QB 10-30 times the amount of money we paid Dak last year unless they are going to significantly outperform him.
 

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His whole career he’s had to play for a contract and he wants a short term deal so he will continue to be less than comfortable know he has to perform
The players I worry about being comfortable is those who want long term deals with no risk for them

How can he possibly be uncomfortable when that "short term" is going to net 70 to 120 million dollars?

A QB asking for that money needs to show some physical credential like a ring or really heavy trophy. Regular seasons stats are like results in a qualifying round of golf or car racing. Nobody remembers what got you there, only how it ends.

Do you know what the elite QB's have in common? They all have their signature game. All due respect to Dak.... And Romo as well, but..... If your 'signature game' happened in the regular season then, no, you are not elite.

Franchise Dak for one season and bring in real competition. If he is what many claim him to be then it shouldn't bother him in the least.
 

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[QUOTE="plasticman, post: 10012980, member: 34988"
Franchise Dak for one season and bring in real competition. If he is what many claim him to be then it shouldn't bother him in the least.[/QUOTE]
We should have seen enough already to make a decision. Franchise tag is a waste. If you aren’t comfortable with a long term deal now, then no reason to toss $30 million away. Go get another QB and see if he can be the bus driver Dak has been. At the very least we get to keep QB costs at a minimum and, if that QB fails (which he probably will) we will have the draft capital to roll the dice on a blue chip QB in 2021.
 

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  • they're always a better option at every position from GM down to tow boy, but is it really going to happen? probably not.
 

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Is it possible that a better QB than Dak could be the Cowboys starter next season? Sure, it's a legit possibility.

But realistically? Not really. Dak will be the QB.

We're just a spoiled fan base. Some fan bases would be happy enough just to have a QB who was at minimum above average. But Cowboys fans? If you're an inch below Staubach, then you're straight up trash. It's gotten kinda old, but I'm numb to it at this point.
I think the real issue is that Dak hasnt performed very good against the better teams and now he wants top 5 money. If it was announced that Dak has accepted a 5 year 25 mil a year contract that would be much easier for people to accept. But even if that happened the crazy thing is the Dak supporters would be outraged saying well Wentz got this and Goff got this. To me Wentz and Goff are both over paid mistakes.
 

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dak's probably not the reason in the previous year's outcome, like years before it has been the coaching. Romo wasn't the problem either. Dak is good enough to win games when the players overcome the coaching and the players come to play. we had enough talent to do better than what the record showed at the end of the year. now, with the decision on how to pay him and how much will make it a hundred times harder to win it all. the iron is cold now since we didn't add needed players when his contract was very, very reasonable.
 

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I see QBs getting let go by the pound this year, only one of them accomplished something. I am a firm believer that we'll be in Dak's boat for the next 10 years without anything to show for it, just like all those other loser franchises.

We know what we have, he's not going to flip a switch and be a decisive passer. We can't win when he's on minimum wage, but somehow the team as a whole is going to get fixed while he's demanding to be close to the highest paid in the league? Yeah common sense tells me we can find similar performance elsewhere for cheaper, whether through FA or the draft and the offensive support we have will spoil the hell out of the new guy that's for sure.

I think Dak has at least 3-5 years left as the starter.

That would give him 7-9 years. Romo had 9.
 

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No idea at all what people think they’re seeing in Dak that makes them reluctant to extend him long term.
 

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dak's probably not the reason in the previous year's outcome, like years before it has been the coaching. Romo wasn't the problem either. Dak is good enough to win games when the players overcome the coaching and the players come to play. we had enough talent to do better than what the record showed at the end of the year. now, with the decision on how to pay him and how much will make it a hundred times harder to win it all. the iron is cold now since we didn't add needed players when his contract was very, very reasonable.


Agree 100%.

Dak isn’t perfect by any means.

but man QB in general hasn’t been what’s holding this team back the last 10 years. IMO.
 

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Counterpoint:

In the salary cap era, I think there have been only two QB's to win a super bowl on full fair market value contracts. Eli and Peyton. Every other team to win, including this year, was a rookie deal, on the Brady discount or kind of a reserve type picked up as filler. My elite QB making $5m per year is always going to beat your elite QB making $35m. For other positions, that's a ridiculous amount of money to acquire and keep talent.

Dallas already overpaid Zeke, Tank and Jaylon. They have an aging O-line paid very well. Add in Dak at $35m per year and the Cowboys simply don't have the cap room to put together a team that can compete with the other top organizations. Unless you think Jerry is about to become a super genius GM who can fill out a roster with great players on a shoestring budget, the Cowboys are basically screwed.

Trading Dak and picking up a FA QB probably isn't going to work. Let's be honest. That said, keeping Dak at $35m per year isn't going to work either AND it locks you in like that for . . . years. Its the Romo contract that broke up the Cowboys all over again.
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Agree 100%.

Dak isn’t perfect by any means.

but man QB, in general, hasn’t been what’s holding this team back the last 10 years. IMO.
the problem has and will always be the GM.
you have to capitalize on young quarterbacks when their contracts are very cheap. surround them with talent on both sides of the ball, it's too late when you give them ridiculous contracts. you can't afford to have both sides of the ball with talent.
this organization hasn't learnt this and probably won't.
coaching has probably ruined both guys chances to compete for a championship unless mike can pull a rabbit out of his butt and get cheap high-quality players on both sides of the ball after you have to pay the quarterback.
 

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How can he possibly be uncomfortable when that "short term" is going to net 70 to 120 million dollars?

A QB asking for that money needs to show some physical credential like a ring or really heavy trophy. Regular seasons stats are like results in a qualifying round of golf or car racing. Nobody remembers what got you there, only how it ends.

Do you know what the elite QB's have in common? They all have their signature game. All due respect to Dak.... And Romo as well, but..... If your 'signature game' happened in the regular season then, no, you are not elite.

Franchise Dak for one season and bring in real competition. If he is what many claim him to be then it shouldn't bother him in the least.
While I agree totally that Romo and Dak were and are not in the elite category, I’ve seen 9 years of Dak and what you see is what you get. It’s time to cut ties and move on from the JJ QB school and on to the new with whatever MM brings to the table.
 

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We paid Dak $1 million last year. Who should we get for a million dollars so we don’t increase our QB cost, since money is a big issue? I don’t want to pay a scrub QB 10-30 times the amount of money we paid Dak last year unless they are going to significantly outperform him.

Same as what we did with Prescott - draft a solid, not spectacular, rookie QB for a pittance. Business is business.

We may even land a gem of a QB who can carry the team. Worst case scenario I would be truly shocked if we drafted a QB in the first or second round who was unable to at least drive the bus like Prescott.

Try to acquire a few draft picks for Prescott and offload him.

It would save us 30 million dollars
 
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