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Floatyworm · Feb 14, 2020

Paintrain4978 said:
McKinney, he is as solid as you can find at SS.

When it comes to Delpit, if you ask me of the 2 who will be a potential pro bowler, if not all pro my answer is Delpit. On the flip side if you ask of the 2 who will bust my answer will be Delpit as well. He’s a pure boom or bust in my eyes.

So of the 2 McKinney is the safer pick.

You might wanna go back and watch that LSU blow out again....McKinney wanted nothing to do tackling that day...when the money counted...Is that the type of guy you want to count on in crunch time? Not me...Just another over-rated Alabama dude....

beware_d-ware · Feb 15, 2020

Floatyworm said:
You might wanna go back and watch that LSU blow out again....McKinney wanted nothing to do tackling that day...when the money counted...Is that the type of guy you want to count on in crunch time? Not me...Just another over-rated Alabama dude....

Nothing to see here, just McKinney making business decisions.

I usually take more of a deferential, agree-to-disagree attitude with draftnik'ing. We're frankly going to be wrong about half the time anyway, so I don't like going "no! you're wrong!" and dying on a hill for this stuff.

But man. I just don't see how you could watch McKinney's tape against LSU and say that McKinney wanted nothing to do with tackling that day.

Paintrain4978 · Feb 15, 2020

Floatyworm said:
You might wanna go back and watch that LSU blow out again....McKinney wanted nothing to do tackling that day...when the money counted...Is that the type of guy you want to count on in crunch time? Not me...Just another over-rated Alabama dude....

Went back and rewatched like you suggested and I’m just not seeing what you are saying. Here’s a few notes on what I saw.

Played cover 3 looks and nickel LB role. Looked comfortable doing either but thought he played better closer to the line.

Filled holes in the run game willingly and covered nicely in the flats and on RB swing routes.

Timed a blitz perfectly and had a sack/FF creating a turnover.

Popped various ball carriers a couple times with solid wrap tackles. When he didn’t bring the guy down he stopped forward progress until help arrived from teammates.

Only saw one missed tackle in the open field where the WR made a great move and put him on skates.

Like I said in my initial post, he’s as solid as the come as a SS. Flaws yes, but there is never a flawless player.

Cowboyny · Feb 16, 2020

SeanLee50 said:
100% spot on.

It literally comes down to how the FO views Xavier.

If they are comfortable putting Woods in the box ... we go Delpit.

If they prefer Woods playing centerfield, we go McKinney.

My two cents is this. A box safety is easier to find. There aren’t many center field safeties out there.

High draft capital at the position is today's game, is more about coverage abilities, not a in the box enforcer.

CATCH17 · Feb 16, 2020

Cowboyny said:
High draft capital at the position is today's game, is more about coverage abilities, not a in the box enforcer.

McKinney is just a waste of a first rounder and we barely improve the team with a guy like that.

We need players at positions that make a difference. Not a SS.

If they trade down and get some extra picks plus McKinney then I’m ok with that.

They did try to trade their first for Jamal Adams last year.. Nobody really talks about that.

Carson · Feb 16, 2020

Cowboyny said:
High draft capital at the position is today's game, is more about coverage abilities, not a in the box enforcer.

100% agreed.

We can sign Vonn Bell, Tony Jefferson types and save the 1st for DL

Beaker42 · Feb 16, 2020

JIMMYBUFFETT said:
I'm a bigger fan of McKinney myself. He looks like a versatile piece for a secondary who needs a little piece of everything. I think he's the better SS or box player of the two. If Dallas is truly committed to X. Woods at the FS spot then McKinney makes the most sense to me. They're both good players, especially at 17 and I'd be happy with either. Dallas use to operate with the philosophy of taking the best of a certain position group in the first round. Safety is one of those few spots where Dallas may be able to sit still at 17 and get the top rated player of that position group. They're not going to get the best DT, DE, WR, OT, or QB, but they may just get the best safety.

McKinney checks a lot of boxes. Well coached, big time competition week in and week out, versatile, high football IQ, good tackler, good body length, and instinctive.

Take Delpit and move Woods to SS. Woods couldn’t get an INT if you gave him the IN as a head start.

timb2 · Feb 16, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
If we go safety at 17 who is the safest pro ready safety.....Delpit or McKinney?

Antoine Winfield Jr.

darthseinfeld · Feb 16, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
If we go safety at 17 who is the safest pro ready safety.....Delpit or McKinney?

Neither. IMO both are late 1st, early 2nd values

darthseinfeld · Feb 16, 2020

CATCH17 said:
You know....

Not a popular opinion right now but... I’d take Kyle Dugger over McKinney too just for the upside.

Is it safe? No... But that guy has bigtime potential.. You can get a solid safety anytime.. Might as well shoot for the moon.

I really like Duggar in the 2nd round. His age and level of competition arent great positives. But not a huge concern for me really. He could very well wind up the best Safety in this draft

darthseinfeld · Feb 16, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I would never take a safety like McKinney in the first round and I like Delpit but these safeties are my option if I’m desperate.

Right now my top 3 guys I want in the first round that is somewhat realistic is..

1. Kinlaw - Probably doesn’t make it out of top 10 though

2. Chaisson - Pressure player with huge upside

3. Ruggs - Assuming Lamb and Jesus are gone

Chaisson is probably our most realistic option of getting an elite defensive lineman out of this draft. I think Epenasa will be a good player, but Chaisson could be elite

CATCH17 · Feb 16, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
I really like Duggar in the 2nd round. His age and level of competition arent great positives. But not a huge concern for me really. He could very well wind up the best Safety in this draft

I like the Duggar gamble in the 2nd round if he tests well at the combine.

I want to know he is a freak athlete before I invest.

darthseinfeld · Feb 16, 2020

CATCH17 said:
McKinney is just a waste of a first rounder and we barely improve the team with a guy like that.

We need players at positions that make a difference. Not a SS.

If they trade down and get some extra picks plus McKinney then I’m ok with that.

They did try to trade their first for Jamal Adams last year.. Nobody really talks about that.

Adams is a catalytic downhill Safety. Doesnt create turnovers, but effects the game in the box and on the blitz. There arent any Safeties in this class that will effect a game like he does. Delpit creates TO's, but he is a terrible tackler. McKinney is sound, but he could easily be a jag in the NFL too. Dugger probably has the best chance to be a catalytic player

Cowboyny · Feb 16, 2020

Beaker42 said:
Take Delpit and move Woods to SS. Woods couldn’t get an INT if you gave him the IN as a head start.

Woods is considered a below average tackler, bad idea moving him to more of a SS role. Most likely team is going to need two need starters for the long-term at the position.

Cowboyny · Feb 16, 2020

timb2 said:
Antoine Winfield Jr.

Winfield reminds me of the honey badger. Yes, there will be some durability issues at times due to his small frame, but he is a legitimate ball hawk and is a strong tackler.

Beaker42 · Feb 16, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Woods is considered a below average tackler, bad idea moving him to more of a SS role. Most likely team is going to need two need starters for the long-term at the position.

At this point I’d take Delpit and keep Heath in as SS. Woods has been a super disappointment bu that’s generally what 6th rounders are ...... unless your last name is Brady.

cnuball21 · Feb 16, 2020

Beaker42 said:
Take Delpit and move Woods to SS. Woods couldn’t get an INT if you gave him the IN as a head start.

Woods is best in coverage and is a poor tackler. This would be terrible IMO.

cnuball21 · Feb 16, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
Adams is a catalytic downhill Safety. Doesnt create turnovers, but effects the game in the box and on the blitz. There arent any Safeties in this class that will effect a game like he does. Delpit creates TO's, but he is a terrible tackler. McKinney is sound, but he could easily be a jag in the NFL too. Dugger probably has the best chance to be a catalytic player

Adams is so much more than a downhill S. He can literally do everything. He’s easily a top 5 S in football, arguably top 3.

Floatyworm · Feb 16, 2020

Paintrain4978 said:
Went back and rewatched like you suggested and I’m just not seeing what you are saying. Here’s a few notes on what I saw.

Played cover 3 looks and nickel LB role. Looked comfortable doing either but thought he played better closer to the line.

Filled holes in the run game willingly and covered nicely in the flats and on RB swing routes.

Timed a blitz perfectly and had a sack/FF creating a turnover.

Popped various ball carriers a couple times with solid wrap tackles. When he didn’t bring the guy down he stopped forward progress until help arrived from teammates.

Only saw one missed tackle in the open field where the WR made a great move and put him on skates.

Like I said in my initial post, he’s as solid as the come as a SS. Flaws yes, but there is never a flawless player.

Trust me...you don't want this guy....way too many plays like this....This is just one example of things you would see. Guy literally has a 20 yard run to blow up a RB
...and just gets run over.

Beaker42 · Feb 16, 2020

cnuball21 said:
Woods is best in coverage and is a poor tackler. This would be terrible IMO.

We get nothing from him in terms of takeaways. Your FS needs to be a playmaker and he just isn’t.

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