What is the max amount you can pay a QB and still win a SB

gjkoeppen

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Aaron Rodgers disagrees w/ you!!!!

And there's much evidence to the contrary. Take Brady out of the equation, due to having an all time great HC, and you don't get any success after being paid. Can't really think of any QB who has even made a super bowl since being paid.

How short memory is sometimes. Aikman was the 2nd highest paid QB and won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. The one year he missed the Cowboys got to the NFC championship game. I know that's a while ago now, but it does happen.
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How short memory is sometimes. Aikman was the 2nd highest paid QB and won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. The one year he missed the Cowboys got to the NFC championship game. I know that's a while ago now, but it does happen.
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Yep

And Favre and Elway went to multiple Super Bowls after Cap was implemented and being paid.

This Century besides Brady we’ve had several QB’s make and or win multiple Super Bowl appearances . Big Ben , both Manning’s , Warner and Wilson.

They are simply wanting to narrow the argument by only using who has won more than one Super Bowl after being paid cause it supports their narrative propping up Dak.
 
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I haven’t heard anyone argue Dak on his Rookie salary wasn’t a bargain. And I think most would agree these last 4 years was our best window to win being able to provide a strong supporting cast.

Most of the Elite QB’s who do win championships often do it while in their Rookie contracts. Then once teams have to ante up its more challenging to surround them with as much which has been part of the argument in this thread.

The question we might want to ask now once we pay Dak is why do we think our chances to win a championship will increase without ultimately as much supporting cast?
You surely have seen people criticize every mistake and undermine every positive though. Those people have been extremely vocal and are easy to identify.
 

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You surely have seen people criticize every mistake and undermine every positive though. Those people have been extremely vocal and are easy to identify.
Yep

To ignore how good Dak has been for the peanuts we’ve paid thus far is obviously ridiculous. He deserves to get paid.

How much could go a long way in determining how strong a supporting cast he has moving forward. And the amount of success we can expect as a result.

The Rookie contracts on these better QB’s is often the best window . And the Cowboys blew that. Which isn’t all on Dak. The bigger argument might be if this was our best window. What’s next?

And why I’ve often argued what separates the great ones is what they do with it when they have the best supporting cast in their careers. Hopefully these last 4 years won’t be Daks best supporting cast.
 

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Yep

And Favre and Elway went to multiple Super Bowls after Cap was implemented and being paid.

This Century besides Brady we’ve had several QB’s make and or win multiple Super Bowl appearances . Big Ben , both Manning’s , Warner and Wilson.

They are simply wanting to narrow the argument by only using who has won more than one Super Bowl after being paid cause it supports their narrative propping up Dak.

I suppose I should keep posting this information every few pages. What you are saying really isn't reflective of reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

Aikman cost 7% of the cap when he won. That would be the equivalent of Dak having a $14m cap hit next year. The Mannings won making around 11% of the cap, which would be a $22m cap hit.

Outside of his biggest haters, no one would have an issue with giving him that kind of money. The pay at the QB position has gotten stupid and its hurting teams. In 2018, the top 6 highest paid QB's didn't even make the playoffs. Everyone uses Wentz and Goff's salaries as a baseline, if not for Dallas sucking it up, neither of them would have even made the playoffs.
 

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I suppose I should keep posting this information every few pages. What you are saying really isn't reflective of reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

Aikman cost 7% of the cap when he won. That would be the equivalent of Dak having a $14m cap hit next year. The Mannings won making around 11% of the cap, which would be a $22m cap hit.

Outside of his biggest haters, no one would have an issue with giving him that kind of money. The pay at the QB position has gotten stupid and its hurting teams. In 2018, the top 6 highest paid QB's didn't even make the playoffs. Everyone uses Wentz and Goff's salaries as a baseline, if not for Dallas sucking it up, neither of them would have even made the playoffs.

Thanks for another great post with facts . I was listening to Deion in some commentary and even he was saying QBs are worth more money but not double what everyone else gets . He even believes it getting over the top
 

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Yep

And Favre and Elway went to multiple Super Bowls after Cap was implemented and being paid.

This Century besides Brady we’ve had several QB’s make and or win multiple Super Bowl appearances . Big Ben , both Manning’s , Warner and Wilson.

They are simply wanting to narrow the argument by only using who has won more than one Super Bowl after being paid cause it supports their narrative propping up Dak.

Actually I think resigning Prescott is as good or better option than all nonsensical ideas that have been floating around. Those that say get Brady. He's showed this past season that age is catching up and he was just an average QB physically. Yes he's still smart, but actual talent, he;s not the Brady of 5 - 7 years ago. He'd be here for what a year maybe 2 and then what? Not to mention that IF Brady leaves it will be to a team he feels has a better than good chance of winning a Super Bowl this season. Also Stephen has already said the Cowboys haven't even given any thought about Brady. Then there's one here that's trying to convince everyone here that Keenum who has been on 7 teams in 8 years will be the QB that would change things here. Then there's the group that say trade up and take Borrow which means trading away multiple 1st round picks plaus probably a 2nd and maybe more to get and that means putting off starter type defensive help another year. But resigning Prescott allows the Cowboys to also get some much needed help on defense.
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I suppose I should keep posting this information every few pages. What you are saying really isn't reflective of reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/af283d/percentage_of_salary_cap_taken_up_by_super_bowl/

Aikman cost 7% of the cap when he won. That would be the equivalent of Dak having a $14m cap hit next year. The Mannings won making around 11% of the cap, which would be a $22m cap hit.

Outside of his biggest haters, no one would have an issue with giving him that kind of money. The pay at the QB position has gotten stupid and its hurting teams. In 2018, the top 6 highest paid QB's didn't even make the playoffs. Everyone uses Wentz and Goff's salaries as a baseline, if not for Dallas sucking it up, neither of them would have even made the playoffs.

Here's what's the problem with your list. I'll use Roethlisberger as an example. In 2008 or TWELVE years ago his contract was 6.8% of the steelers cap but in 2020 the year we are in and player salaries have risen in 12 years, his total cost will be 16.8% of the steelers cap this season. When they made this list they went strictly off what their salary was and not what the total cost for those QB's. Example of this is Brady had a very small salary of 1.75 mil for 2019 but a ton of bonus money so yes his salary was a very low percentage but after you add in all of the bonus and guaranteed money his number for his total cost doesn't look so great..
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The point I was making was once you have to pay your QB the closer they are to Elite the easier it is to surround them with a stronger supporting cast.

And those QB’s and teams are usually the more serious contenders always a threat to go deeper in the playoffs (not just make the playoffs )with multiple championship appearances.

Wanting to narrow the argument to only who wins the championship is an attempt to use a stat or fact to support a narrative.

All QB’s need a supporting cast. It’s what they do with it that separates the greater ones.

If just making the playoffs without any deeper runs or championship appearances during Rookie contract and arguably best supporting cast we’ll probably be able to afford , why would we expect the opportunity to rise now once we pay our QB?

I understand your point of the more elite a QB is the less talent that needs to be around him . Im hoping the fact we have a real NFL coaching staff now can awaken a sleeping Giant and make us better even though it looks like it will be hard to keep all our talent and pay everyone at the same time . Will the improvement in coaching be able to offset the talent we lose hard to say but I sure would have loved to have this staff 4 yrs ago
 

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How short memory is sometimes. Aikman was the 2nd highest paid QB and won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. The one year he missed the Cowboys got to the NFC championship game. I know that's a while ago now, but it does happen.
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Im going to refresh yours Aikman won 2 of those SBs before there even was a salary cap so it didnt matter how much he got paid back then . Now it affects being able to sign other talented players . Jerry was able to buy a team back then didnt take much of a plan just a good coach and money
 

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We can get impact players for 5mil a pop?
And up to 8 of them at that price range?
Look at the Minnesota Vikings. They had a really good defense when Keenum was there and since they signed Cousins the secondary stinks. They also lost one of their big DTs.
 

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Look at the Minnesota Vikings. They had a really good defense when Keenum was there and since they signed Cousins the secondary stinks. They also lost one of their big DTs.

Think it has more to do with X Rhodes regressing big time and Harrison Smith slowing down.
 

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Superbowl winning recipe: Never pay for a QB.

You pay what you have to or else someone else will. There's no amount of help that would have permitted Chad Hutchinson, Quincy Carter, Drew Henson, Vinny Testaverde, Anthony Wright, Ryan Leaf, or Clint Stoerner to ever sniff a Super Bowl.

There is no, "max". The entire NFL is in the same bent-over position when it comes to paying QBs because they are the single most important piece. If you're lucky, you suck one year (or many) and hit a walk-off home run in the draft like KC. If not, you just accept the cost and find your bargains elsewhere. Either way, you will ultimately pay the going rate at some point.
 

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lol

Funny no one else is telling that story. Only some slobbering Dak fans probably.
I guess you’re only reading what you want. Because many people are repeating it where I live. Mahomes sucked
 

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That’s the mark of greatness while not having his best game was still able to make the key plays when the game was on the line.

Some would call that Clutch. And he did it in every post season game overcoming deficits.

Truky remarkable. Fans really need to step back and separate their heart from the their mind putting aside personal preferences going in and marvel at what they watched unfold when a championship was at stake.
Mahomes did not pull the game out. His teammates did . If you think that was all on the homes. You really don’t understand the game more than I thought in the first place
 

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That’s the mark of greatness while not having his best game was still able to make the key plays when the game was on the line.

Some would call that Clutch. And he did it in every post season game overcoming deficits.

Truky remarkable. Fans really need to step back and separate their heart from the their mind putting aside personal preferences going in and marvel at what they watched unfold when a championship was at stake.
I watch the kid choke. I watched him aiming the football not throwing it. There’s not one thing he did to help in that game other than proper Hail Mary. But the receiver ran 10 yards backwards to get. That should’ve been the MVP the receiver. Seriously you really think Mahomes had a good game. LMAO. In the pool Prescott into it is sad. Has nothing to do with him. And I have to do it watching the media Lover boy stink up the game.And everybody that watched the game saw it. I don’t know how you didn’t
 

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Mahomes did not pull the game out. His teammates did . If you think that was all on the homes. You really don’t understand the game more than I thought in the first place
S.F. ( I thought) presented the more dominant & solidly consistent offensive 57.5 minutes of game plan attack
( imho)o_O
 
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