Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

Prescott is very durable, he won't lose you a game but he won't win you a game.

A quarterback like that needs more talent around him than a quarterback that will lose you a few games but will win you a whole bunch of games with less talent.

That's the difference between Prescott and Romo and I agree, it comes down very much to personal preference.

It could be argued that we just saw in the last Superbowl that the quarterback that has the ability to win/lose a game won the game and the safe % quarterback failed to do so (although granted, the 49ers should have just run the ball and chewed up the clock although poor coaching is again similar to the Cowboys...)

phildadon86 said:

And there is a reason you’re a fan and not an nfl scout or GM and are posting angry from your corner because you probably played high school football and failed. People love to sit here and bash Dak. Meanwhile he has done nothing but be a leader and an example of a human being we can all strive to be in life. He played at a brutal salary for the last 4 years and now wants more and people are upset and say he’s garbage?

Y’all need to look at the whole body of work and incorporate the fact he was forced to play Romo ball when he isn’t and never has been a pocket passer. Garrett refused to change his scheme to fit his QB. Something MM said in his first 3 sentences as the HC was the scheme will be tailored to fit Dak. Not the other way around.

I can’t wait to see how many of the Dak haters on this blog change their tune next year (myself included if he fails under MM) because all of you are so entrenched in your agenda you won’t even admit you were wrong if he succeeds.

Click to expand...

I was a multi sport athlete but that's not the point because there are plenty of other pro athletes who are on the fence about Dak like the rest of us. Nobody is saying he doesnt deserve to be paid it's how much he wants that makes his play on the field come under
scrutiny.

Aviano90 said:

I am saying we had the same arguments.

Holding the ball too long.
Not throwing deep.
Fumbling too much
Making bad decisions
Missing open receivers
Hanging his receivers out to dry4
Not winning big games
Garbage time stats
Not worth the money
Etc, etc, etc.

There was a large portion of the fanbase that despised everything about Romo, including nonsense about golf, Cabo, backwards hats and were convinced the Cowboys would not and could not win with Romo as the QB. They clamored for every Brady Quinn-like QB in the draft or Michael Vick-like free agent. Any QB to replace the QB who would never be able to win.

Nothing is different, just which side of the argument people choose to be on for this QB.

Click to expand...

Not throwing deep? The cowboys under romo were the #2 big play offense for a seasons. And dak has improved his deep game, I don't think anybody should still be using that argument against him. I've called out people for using arguments that aren't true anymore about him after this seasons before, telling them that they are one seasons behind in their criticism.

anyway, many of the criticism for romo were valid, especially being the gambler and throwing those interceptions and then that he was fragile, which Dak would be too if he played under some of those defenses. Too me at this point of time Dak is Romo. I hope the Big Mac can turn things around. I'm just not for paying elite quarterback dollars to a quarterback that just elevated himself to good.

Swagger said:

Well you are probably fishing (and fair play you have reeled me in) but to go through this again...

Saints most definitely - first game for Teddy Bridgewater with a fairly closed play book, nine teams put 24+ points on that Saints defense during the regular season including the 49ers who put 48 points on them. Our offense and QB produced a paltry 10 points. Yep 10 points.
Green Bay - 3 interceptions by Prescott, not all on him but they were on the offense. 14 points scored in garbage time. Offense gave us no chance in a mistake riddled game.
Jets - come on man.
Buffalo Bills - The BIlls had a good D but we didn't put them away after a good start. 15 points at home not good enough.
Bears - well beaten, similar to the Green Bay game with late garbage time points to massage those stats baby.
Eagles (second time around as you state) - worst of the lot for me. Dropped catches by receivers and Prescott had a very poor game when all we needed was a regulation, competent performance from our QB.

That's how you end up 8-8

Click to expand...

I have no issues with any of your criticisms. Other than acting like it was daks fault for all of it.

Gangsta Spanksta said:

Not throwing deep? The cowboys under romo were the #2 big play offense for a seasons. And dak has improved his deep game, I don't think anybody should still be using that argument against him. I've called out people for using arguments that aren't true anymore about him after this seasons before, telling them that they are one seasons behind in their criticism.

anyway, many of the criticism for romo were valid, especially being the gambler and throwing those interceptions and then that he was fragile, which Dak would be too if he played under some of those defenses. Too me at this point of time Dak is Romo. I hope the Big Mac can turn things around. I'm just not for paying elite quarterback dollars to a quarterback that just elevated himself to good.

Click to expand...

Yeah, we didn’t throw deep a lot with Romo either. Through Dak’s first couple seasons we threw deep about 1% higher with Romo than with Dak. If we ran the numbers now after this year, I would imagine those numbers would be even closer.

The main point is we had the same argument. People just found anything and everything to complain about. Not beating teams with a winning record, not winning big games, needing the best team around him...all familiar arguments with both QBs.

CowboyRoy said:

I have no issues with any of your criticisms. Other than acting like it was daks fault for all of it.

Click to expand...

Coaching had a part to play of course.

I really don't rate McCarthy so i'm not expecting much difference if i'm honest and that will say more about him than Prescott.

Swagger said:

Difficult question.

I actually think Garrett could be a decent OC but he is just never a Head Coach. He doesn't have the personality, character or swagger to back it up before even getting into the game management and in game adjustments.

I do not rate McCarthy at all.

Tough call. I cannot stand either as a Head coach.

Click to expand...

Garrett’s offensive scheme staled quickly. And proved that it didn’t work at all without superior talent and became predictable.

I thought he was worse as an oc than a hc.

Gangsta Spanksta said:

They have their own kinds of "Eye Test" but call it "The It Factor", that certain unexplainable quality a player has that makes them a winner that you don't know how to describe it but you see it. And then there is the whole Clutch thing when there wasn't much of a sample size around. I find it absurd, to make a rule that nobody can form an opinion on what they see the so called "Eye Test" In other words, you are not allowed to use anything you see, just stats that someone picks and choose for their own purpose, when it is fairly common knowledge that people pick and choose stats all the time to misrepresent things. When the smoke clears the reality is still 8-8 and people have different opinions on who's to blame

Click to expand...

Well said!

Swagger said:

Prescott is very durable, he won't lose you a game but he won't win you a game.

A quarterback like that needs more talent around him than a quarterback that will lose you a few games but will win you a whole bunch of games with less talent.

That's the difference between Prescott and Romo and I agree, it comes down very much to personal preference.

It could be argued that we just saw in the last Superbowl that the quarterback that has the ability to win/lose a game won the game and the safe % quarterback failed to do so (although granted, the 49ers should have just run the ball and chewed up the clock although poor coaching is again similar to the Cowboys...)

Click to expand...

Really good stuff and well explained. Perfect ending summary. Nice post man.

Hadenough said:

I was a multi sport athlete but that's not the point because there are plenty of other pro athletes who are on the fence about Dak like the rest of us. Nobody is saying he doesnt deserve to be paid it's how much he wants that makes his play on the field come under
scrutiny.

Click to expand...

It is not even just how much he wants to get paid. More precisely, it is the concept that if you pay any quarterback the elite price tag, then it is a given that the talent that surrounds him goes down. It is the understanding that with elite quarterbacks that you still do this, because those guys can find ways to win even with less. But with good quarterbacks, paying them elite tier prices, will mean that you probably had a better chance of going to a superbowl with him before you paid him than you do after you overpaid. Dak deserves to get paid, but $40 million will probably mean more 8-8 or worse seasons.

Gangsta Spanksta said:

That's a good point: Scouts are professionals who do the "eye test"

Most people here aren't as talented as the professionals when it comes to the eye test. Then again most people here who post stats aren't professionals either and tend to misrepresent things either out of not being professionals or on purpose.

Click to expand...

It’s not football but I scout for one of the local colleges in our area. I’m far from a professional but also coached for over 20 years. It just blows me away when the fantasy football guys on here try to base their arguments on #s, I just shake my head. I’ll bet a dime to a dollar 95% of them have never stepped on a field to play any sport above the 12U league level. There’s no way they could have based on their comments. Just my 2 cents.

Hadenough said:

I was a multi sport athlete but that's not the point because there are plenty of other pro athletes who are on the fence about Dak like the rest of us. Nobody is saying he doesnt deserve to be paid it's how much he wants that makes his play on the field come under
scrutiny.

Click to expand...

His play on the field? You mean the most 4th quarter comebacks in the nfl other then Brady the last 4 years? Or his 40 plus wins?

Hadenough said:

I was a multi sport athlete but that's not the point because there are plenty of other pro athletes who are on the fence about Dak like the rest of us. Nobody is saying he doesnt deserve to be paid it's how much he wants that makes his play on the field come under
scrutiny.

Click to expand...

That's a very good point, although obscure. By the league standard/pay scale Dak is a $27 million QB from the numbers available. Once you go $5 million over that, you're expecting more than an 8-8 guy. There is no added value paying $33 million for the same thing you can get for $27 million. In fact it becomes negative value.

But it ain't my money so if Jerry is willing to pay $33 million I'll laugh at him. But once he gets passed that, I start wondering where his mind went.

Idgit said:

No idea at all what people think they’re seeing in Dak that makes them reluctant to extend him long term.

Click to expand...

Greatness lack of it

Gangsta Spanksta said:

I'm just not for paying elite quarterback dollars

Click to expand...

That is the flaw in your thinking, they dont pay elite dollars , they pay market dollars.
If Dak got 35 mil a year, that doesnt mean he is elite, it just means jones boys want him to be their qb.
If they tag him he still gets 33 mil so what is the difference, either way that money is going to the qb position.

The jones boys will decide all this, it isnt up to the fans, jerry does not care what you or anyone else thinks dak is worth lol.

The other thing is elite, there is only 1 elite qb, mahomes, and then jackson who if he has another year like 19, he will be elite.
Thats it only 2, and no other team is getting those guys.
After that is is qb levels 1-9, and that is often not accurate either.

Look at tannehill, he was a total bust in miami, no fans wanted him for their team, I didnt see anyone here saying we should trade for tannehill when he was in miami.
Then he goes to tenn, and gets 1 game away from SB, and was comeback player of the year.
That says to me that team qb is on matters, and so does coaching ,team mates etc.

I think dak is going to improve , the whole team will with new HC and staff, we just have to wait and see how much.

DandyDon52 said:

That is the flaw in your thinking, they dont pay elite dollars , they pay market dollars.
If Dak got 35 mil a year, that doesnt mean he is elite, it just means jones boys want him to be their qb.
If they tag him he still gets 33 mil so what is the difference, either way that money is going to the qb position.

The jones boys will decide all this, it isnt up to the fans, jerry does not care what you or anyone else thinks dak is worth lol.

The other thing is elite, there is only 1 elite qb, mahomes, and then jackson who if he has another year like 19, he will be elite.
Thats it only 2, and no other team is getting those guys.
After that is is qb levels 1-9, and that is often not accurate either.

Look at tannehill, he was a total bust in miami, no fans wanted him for their team, I didnt see anyone here saying we should trade for tannehill when he was in miami.
Then he goes to tenn, and gets 1 game away from SB, and was comeback player of the year.
That says to me that team qb is on matters, and so does coaching ,team mates etc.

I think dak is going to improve , the whole team will with new HC and staff, we just have to wait and see how much.

Click to expand...

I don't think it is a flaw in thinking that if you make Dak the highest paid quarterback, then the cowboys won't be able to compete and thus isn't worth it. And nobody said that what we want will effect the Jones decision, but then at least Jerry hasn't always made the most wisest of decisions either, so there is no shame in disagreeing with him. And no, I don't think the team will improve if Dak gets 40 million and the talent drops around him. If that happens, I think 2016 will be his best season and he'll never surpass that and people will go on blaming the bad defense, offensive line, running back, etc, for the lack of success here.

Gangsta Spanksta said:

well what about the Dakaholics "It Factor" and "Clutch" crap? Isn't it just as laughable?

Click to expand...

Some can be, yes.
But usually those can explain why, as to the other side, just do a drive by post. Nothing to back it up. Some do at times however. And both sides can make valid points too.
To me all a matter of opinion but I am still in a wait and see mode but more for than against. He does have a winning record, and a good one.

Gangsta Spanksta said:

That's how people take it when dak fans make excuses and start throwing every player on the team under the bus except their quarterback in an effort to shift the blame away from him. Dak fans blamed the offensive line, when the offensive line was far from being bad and people still had memories of one of the worst offensive lines in history. Dak fans blamed Zeke when he was the top running back for that seasons. Dak fans blamed the Defense and so on and so on. The reality is: you hardly ever have a perfect team in today's NFL, and the quarterback just needs to play through it. Anyway, many people who weren't wearing the Dak-shaped glasses equated all the blame shifting, since it seemed that Dak fans were blaming everyone else on the team not named Dak, as them saying that Dak needs a perfect team to win. The homers seems to be incapable of giving any blame to Dak. I'm a romo fan, and he had plenty of faults just like anybody else on the team. When a team loses a game, I feel every single player usually deserves part of the blame. And even when I feel like a player was not responsible for a loss, I'm not going to praise him after a loss.



Exaggeration such a proclaiming someone to be clutch just after a couple of seasons with little sample size to back it up?

Click to expand...

Gangsta Spanksta said:

That's how people take it when dak fans make excuses and start throwing every player on the team under the bus except their quarterback in an effort to shift the blame away from him. Dak fans blamed the offensive line, when the offensive line was far from being bad and people still had memories of one of the worst offensive lines in history. Dak fans blamed Zeke when he was the top running back for that seasons. Dak fans blamed the Defense and so on and so on. The reality is: you hardly ever have a perfect team in today's NFL, and the quarterback just needs to play through it. Anyway, many people who weren't wearing the Dak-shaped glasses equated all the blame shifting, since it seemed that Dak fans were blaming everyone else on the team not named Dak, as them saying that Dak needs a perfect team to win. The homers seems to be incapable of giving any blame to Dak. I'm a romo fan, and he had plenty of faults just like anybody else on the team. When a team loses a game, I feel every single player usually deserves part of the blame. And even when I feel like a player was not responsible for a loss, I'm not going to praise him after a loss.



Exaggeration such a proclaiming someone to be clutch just after a couple of seasons with little sample size to back it up?

Click to expand...

What you call excuses are simply facts. In 2018 the line was riddled with injuries. Offense was struggling and we gave up almost 60 sacks that year. Trolls like you kept saying it was Daks fault. Remember changing sacks to a QB stat? LOL Those of us that understand the game tried to educate you that it was the Oline. Low and behold the line got healthy in 2019 and Dak was only sacked 28 times. You were proven dead wrong. Case closed

Also in 2018 the "receiver by committee" approach was ridiculous. Dak had little to throw. We tried to tell you it was a BIG reason why the offense was stalling and Dak and the passing game. Of course you blamed Dak. "Dak cant throw for 300 yards", ect......ect.... Again, those of us that understand football tried to explain the void in passing weapons and the importance of them to a QB. Cowboys were 3-5. The moment they trade for Cooper the entier season turns around. Dak is averaging 275 yards passing per game and the passing game catches fire. Cowboys go 7-1 down the stretch, make the playoffs, and win a playoff game. Once again you were prove DEAD WRONG. Case closed.

You are what a I call a QB challenged fan. You dont understand the dynamics of the QB position or how the different aspects of the team work together. Its actually, not about what Dak needs as much as it is what the team needs.

No different than a RB needing and Oline to block for him, a QB needs the same thing in order to do his job to the best of his abilities. WR's need a quality QB to hit them when they are open. A QB needs WR's that get open. They need a scheme that maximizes their abilities and exploits the mismatches against whatever defense they are playing as well as being unpredictable.

This stuff is football 101. And obviously the entire team will go further the better the defense, the more turnovers and better field position they can give their offense. Having to drive 85 yards to score every time is more difficult than having to go 30 yards after a turnover with momentum.

You show an complete inability to understand these basic concepts. Like a naive child you think that everything is all about the QB. I probably believed that when I was 12 until I learned to understand the game. Are you 12? I dont think so.

As far as Dak being clutch he was as clutch as it got his first 3 years. Those are just the facts. Led the NFL in last drive wins. As far as 2019 he definitely wasnt as clutch. NO question about that. He had a few opportunities and didnt get it done like he did previously. Some were his fault, others werent. Thats the NFL. Which again, you fail to grasp.

Gangsta Spanksta said:

Exaggeration such a proclaiming someone to be clutch just after a couple of seasons with little sample size to back it up?[/QUOTE]

Gotta love this complete gaff by you in this laughable statement.

So Dak fans pointed out how he was clutch over 3 seasons. And here you are saying he isnt clutch because of one?

Who's sample size is bigger yours or mine?

Gangsta Spanksta said:

I don't think it is a flaw in thinking that if you make Dak the highest paid quarterback, then the cowboys won't be able to compete and thus isn't worth it. And nobody said that what we want will effect the Jones decision, but then at least Jerry hasn't always made the most wisest of decisions either, so there is no shame in disagreeing with him. And no, I don't think the team will improve if Dak gets 40 million and the talent drops around him. If that happens, I think 2016 will be his best season and he'll never surpass that and people will go on blaming the bad defense, offensive line, running back, etc, for the lack of success here.

Click to expand...

I had this same type of response to whom I assumed was a pro Dak guy but he responded that he was neither pro nor anti Dak.
CZ Poster garyo1954 responded with "a third faction?" to which we both had a laugh.

I responded with, I guess he's some type of tweener. Too funny. So I guess now I know theres the 3 groups...The pro Dak, the anti AND the neutrals (or in between)