Marinelli's conservative bend don't break defense is gone

Dreski

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Your boy, Kris Richard, is still out of work.
Hell, even Marinelli has a new team to coach DL.

This attached article you dug up mentions that from 2009-2012
Nolan had good defenses. In 2013, the Atlanta defense, with
very little talent finally crumbled after Nolan managed a decent year
in 2012 with using "smoke and mirrors".

While I've admitted the Nolan hire is the most concerning, I'll give him
the benefit of doubt that you refuse to do.
Have you watched the Voch Lombardi video on Nolan? He has some interesting concepts
 

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I remember it costing us a playoff game against the packers. Allowed rogers to make that play on the sidelines. Jones bending and breaking. Lol.

I agree with wanting to see the new scheme. I think it will be simple and we will bring some blitzes.

To be fair, on a 3rd-and-20, playing your defenders back deep is reasonable. That was just Rodgers making a great, and unlikely, play. It happens.
 

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Never understood the bend but don’t break defense. They allow time consuming drives and they eventually break. If you keep bending something enough it’s going to break.
 

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To be fair, on a 3rd-and-20, playing your defenders back deep is reasonable. That was just Rodgers making a great, and unlikely, play. It happens.
I felt in that we had started getting pressure on him consistently and was working. We needed to bring it again. Force the short pass. It was working. But I had a bad feeling when we brought Heath off the edge and nailed rogers and he was able to hold on to the ball that was the big play. No way he should have held on to that one. Scandrick had broken off the block and was coming in. Would have been a scoop and score. I still think Irving was held on the 3rd down play. But it’s over now. Almost let it go. Lol.
 

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It takes a certain special talent to go 0-16.

At this point I'm wondering how much guys like Linehan and Marinelli being around were to make Garrett look or feel like he had a clue.

Kiffin? Made Jerry feel not so old.

Was fun watching the game pass them by as they all yessed Jerry all day and collected paychecks, wasnt it?
 

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Its gone but surely wouldn't shock me if Nolan was of the same ilk. Especially this first year. Not the hire I wanted all.
 

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It takes a certain special talent to go 0-16.

At this point I'm wondering how much guys like Linehan and Marinelli being around were to make Garrett look or feel like he had a clue.

Kiffin? Made Jerry feel not so old.

Was fun watching the game pass them by as they all yessed Jerry all day and collected paychecks, wasnt it?
Its not hard if you are in a culture that's use to losing. Maranelli for all his faults was a dead man walking before he even took that job.
 

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So we are going to suck no matter what?
What a negative concept...
Just my opinion though. Maybe they will suck, but it will be worth the wait as opposed if Garrett and his band of mishap coaches were still around. Now that would have been a very depressing off season.

I think most are focusing on the wrong root causes for why the defence had so much trouble. There was more talent on that side of the ball thank the performance showed.

The hints I am taking from reports circle around the misalignment of the defensive coaching staff. Too many cooks in the kitchen, and too much bickering.

If this was true, then this was a huge misstep by Garrett. This type of issue is one that can bring down a unit, a team and also a season when the games are on the line.

It may not be about the coaches, the scheme or the players, but rather the integration of the unit. That's how an entire group of players perform so poorly and inconsistently game to game.

They are the same coaches, same players, but what happens from Monday to Saturday can sabotage the best talent, the best scheme and the best playbook.
 

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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.

Opinion...based on what?
 

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We really do not know if we will have a bend but dont break defense next season.
 

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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.

If we get burned deep a few more times but take the ball away more then we get burned deep, so be it! Change was definitely needed.
 

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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.

Let's be honest about one thing....Ever since Jerry took over...our CBs have played off so far....even a college kid would have success. I've screamed for decades....we have needed a better scheme rather than deploying that soft zone...and hoping a WR would make a mistake...or drop a pass. Hopefully will get some change this time around.
 

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I have no doubt there was a thread on here about "name one play that sticks in you brain you would like to have over..." can't remember who we were playing but it was at the end of the half I believe we had the lead and we sent the entire defense to the 5 yard line with the exception of maybe 2 or 3 linemen. Remember?? Short pass underneath with all the blockers and we gave up a TD. I almost vomited all over the dog!! Bend but don't "choke"! LMAO
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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.
FYI - Jimmy played bend don't break defense until sufficiently ahead on the scoreboard.

The Cowboys abandoned bend-don't-break in 2019.
 

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FYI - Jimmy played bend don't break defense until sufficiently ahead on the scoreboard.

The Cowboys abandoned bend-don't-break in 2019.
Jimmy employed a traditional 4-3 scheme. Nolan is known is run multiple fronts, more of a hybrid scheme.
 

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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.

Cowboys wanted to change from Marinelli's Tampa 2 defense to Seahawk's more aggressive Legion of Boom.. thus enter Kris Richard who immediately changed Byron Jones from an average FS safety to a very solid man coverage CB, even despite a lack of ball hawk INT skills. but there was too much discension in the ranks between Marinelli and his one gap DL and Bloom's mutiny among the LB unit
plus add to it that the team supposedly refused to let Richard hire his own LB coach but insist that Bloom stay on as LB coach - so as whole the defense was bound to fail .. that's why it needs to fall on Mike Nolan alone instead of this co-DC.

i dunno whee the rare blitz theory among fans is coming from ...they blitzed quite a bit percentage but the problem was -- it was so poorly designed, it just wasnt' gettign home as it needed to be .. and ironically that played a part of Richard being allowed to walk in Seattle as Pete Carroll did not care for his penchant to blitz and leave too much of the defense exposed and vulnerable,

But the bulk of the problem was marinelli's out of control, lack of discipline and physicality in his DL unit. Marinelli practically gave up the back seven up to Richard as well as the signal calll duties - but why this team did not go ahead and give Richard the entire defense if they really thought so highly of him, i have no idea. i can only speculate that they had a high on infatuation with Marinelli that they did not want to hurt his feellings - did the same with matt Eberflus and the big confusion and departure involved too.

-His preference for more movement vs bigger bulk 1 tech,
-his low regards for the 1 tech role that no doubt played a part of the ongoing decents and JAGs revolving door we've had
over the years - and never a highly regarded 1 tech-er
-his odd rotation packages that had his best players on sideline even in red zone spots,
- and unfortunately Rod's draft involvement and preference that led to Taco over TJ Watt was one that will burn for years to come as
Watt is just ballin' in Steelers nation, while Taco was cut before his rookie contract was played out.
 
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