Marinelli's conservative bend don't break defense is gone

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I think we all have to change our mindset with next year's defensive scheme. For year's Marinelli, employed a bend, don't break defense with the Cowboys. Rarely blitzed, forced teams to throw underneath, secondary's biggest job was to prevent the big play. The scheme was based on, offenses needing to drive the entire field and toughening up in the redzone. The scheme wasn't game specific, where it was quite easy for opposing teams to exploit their weaknesses.

In my opinion, this year's defense under Mike Nolan is going to be complete opposite to what Marinelli ran. We should expect to see more of an aggressive scheme, that employs multiple defensive fronts and is game specific. You would think, we would see far more blitzing, more press coverage in hopes of creating more impact defensive plays.

- As the front office starts to retool their defense, you would think they build inside out. Fortify the defensive line with players who can play any scheme is first on the list. As for the secondary, they need to target players with high level instincts. Balls should be coming out quicker, which means players need to read and react faster. No more playing their man, but more about being around the football.

- My HOPE is Mike Nolan becomes better - at least there won't be this co-DC, title in DC, DC here/signal caller there, who is the defensive leader and
sole guy who calls the shots and who is the true leader that went on among Marinelli/Richard fisaco ...

- first off , what is Nolan's preference and how does he want to structure his defense ? My hope is more physical among the trenches, play makers
across the board - DE and DTs, will he make the LBs read keys more simple for Jaylon ?
will he and Edwards design rush/blitz packages for Jaylon-Swipe that will maximize his blitz skills and minimize his coverage and run gap skills ?

- will be able to get teams off 3rd downs and will he maximize our DBs in a way that Richard couldnt as a overall group ?
frankly i think we need an overhaul at DB - but it will take more than just a year to do so - ...and we have to make it count in FA/Draft - an area that
has been an overall failure to this point.
 

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If you didn't like the Marinelli/Richard Cover 3 scheme, you're really going to hate Nolan's Cover 4.
 

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Like I just me mentioned. The playoff game against the packers. Marinelli finally came after rogers and we mounted a come back all we had to do was hold up for a few plays and it was going into OT and I really believe we would have won that game. We were all over rogers and he was frustrated. We played that prevent crap and rogers makes the play on the sideline pass because Jones is staring at rogers instead of covering and they make the play and kick the FG and send us home. Just pressure rogers and don’t change what’s working.


Thats the Cowboys for you. Once something seems to be working, they abandon it with the conservative, predictable, play not to lose style that has gotten us into trouble everytime throughout the years. Cowboys was one of the worst coached teams and yet we call them America's team. What a joke.
 

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- My HOPE is Mike Nolan becomes better - at least there won't be this co-DC, title in DC, DC here/signal caller there, who is the defensive leader and
sole guy who calls the shots and who is the true leader that went on among Marinelli/Richard fisaco ...

- first off , what is Nolan's preference and how does he want to structure his defense ? My hope is more physical among the trenches, play makers
across the board - DE and DTs, will he make the LBs read keys more simple for Jaylon ?
will he and Edwards design rush/blitz packages for Jaylon-Swipe that will maximize his blitz skills and minimize his coverage and run gap skills ?

- will be able to get teams off 3rd downs and will he maximize our DBs in a way that Richard couldnt as a overall group ?
frankly i think we need an overhaul at DB - but it will take more than just a year to do so - ...and we have to make it count in FA/Draft - an area that
has been an overall failure to this point.

richard wasn’t the problem.

Marinelli was. And Bloom.

and Jason.

everyone hoping Nolan is the next Dave Wannstedt is going to be disappointed.

his history stinks. Don’t believe it? Look it up.

the only reason Nolan was hired is because he gave coach MM an OC job back in 2005, which allowed him to become the GB HC the next season.

that’s the reason.

that’s the only reason.
 

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Someone at the Star must have realized how bad the Nolan hire was.

that’s why they grabbed Edwards as soon as he hit the market.

edwards is a DC. No way he takes the job without getting more control.

he’s probably the one who is running things in the background.

like Richard.
 

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Never understood the bend but don’t break defense. They allow time consuming drives and they eventually break. If you keep bending something enough it’s going to break.

It's predicated on getting turnovers. When you don't get turnovers, it looks like garbage. Pretty safe to say his scheme got stale.
 

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- My HOPE is Mike Nolan becomes better - at least there won't be this co-DC, title in DC, DC here/signal caller there, who is the defensive leader and
sole guy who calls the shots and who is the true leader that went on among Marinelli/Richard fisaco ...

- first off , what is Nolan's preference and how does he want to structure his defense ? My hope is more physical among the trenches, play makers
across the board - DE and DTs, will he make the LBs read keys more simple for Jaylon ?
will he and Edwards design rush/blitz packages for Jaylon-Swipe that will maximize his blitz skills and minimize his coverage and run gap skills ?

- will be able to get teams off 3rd downs and will he maximize our DBs in a way that Richard couldnt as a overall group ?
frankly i think we need an overhaul at DB - but it will take more than just a year to do so - ...and we have to make it count in FA/Draft - an area that
has been an overall failure to this point.
Rebuilding the defense will take time, cannot be accomplished in just one off season, especially with all this unsigned in-house fa's. No matter the scheme, it all comes down to the talent within it. Many have overrated our defensive players for years. Defense needs a few stars, enough with building the offense, they have plenty of talent. It makes sense to have size up front to protect our linebackers more as they are more run and hit types. Team tackling has to get better as does creating more impact plays, defensive turnovers.

Who knows if Nolan is the right DC to turn it around, but let;s give me the talent to find out. It will be interesting to see how they start the rebuilding year 1: what holdovers stay, as they are going to not be able to replace everyone right away? Which area do they prioritize first; DL or DB? Will they use Fa to find quality players or just continue signing low budget value types?
 

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Rebuilding the defense will take time, cannot be accomplished in just one off season, especially with all this unsigned in-house fa's. No matter the scheme, it all comes down to the talent within it. Many have overrated our defensive players for years. Defense needs a few stars, enough with building the offense, they have plenty of talent. It makes sense to have size up front to protect our linebackers more as they are more run and hit types. Team tackling has to get better as does creating more impact plays, defensive turnovers.

Who knows if Nolan is the right DC to turn it around, but let;s give me the talent to find out. It will be interesting to see how they start the rebuilding year 1: what holdovers stay, as they are going to not be able to replace everyone right away? Which area do they prioritize first; DL or DB? Will they use Fa to find quality players or just continue signing low budget value types?


- The Byron jones and Robert Quinn are gonna be clearly the biggest ones in terms of the in-house, unsigned FAs,.. as there’s no assurance that either one will be back.
Me thinks the Cowboys are gonna throw an offer to both – but it will be nothing that they can double on the open market.
And that will cause both to depart – and leave 2 huge departures.

They may not want to pay Jones as among the top tier CBs are making – why ? they simply don’t see him quite on their level and will never make that jump to creating turnovers with Byron here.
But should he depart (which all early indications suggest he will) we’d have to fill his vacancy with an immediate rookie starter (likely either 1st or 2nd round) – as I don’t see the ultra -conservative Stephen jones going after a 32 year vet and ex-pro bowler Chris Harris ( Broncos CB)

And just in case anyone suggesting Jordan Lewis should be the starter to replace jones, should be slapped back to the real world.

- Quinn was lighting off the edge. Few tackles could deal with his 1st step explosiveness and at least Marinelli scheme allowed him to fly off edge at will.
By far our best pass rusher in 2019, period.
But Quinn is also due to be age 30 in May. and Stephen Jones has known to be not so keen on signing age 30+ guys to big money contracts. Since Quinn looking for his
last NFL contract to be a big one, could he out-price himself away from the Cowboys ?

- With Nolan vs Marinelli (vs Richard?) Defense.
I’m with you on a top defense having a strong interior of the defense – I even heard Belichek make mentioned of that some years back.
But it becomes more of a challenge give Maliek likely to leave in FA, and Hill far from being ready - much less a promising candidate to start at 3 tech role this year.
and we don't have that imposing brute strength and bulky top run stuffer at 1 tech.

Quite simple, we have to bring much more a physical brand of ball, a more bigger brand of muscle and disruption -and that just has to start happening upfront.
Especially in the interior. Also I’m not counting on just DLaw alone, and there are times that our war daddy disappears down the stretch – and in big playoff games.
Thus we have to have bookend big threats at both DE spots. Quinn stepped up big time and gave us that. But again he could be gone this time around.
 

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I think Quinn is just too valuable to lose this off season. Maybe and a big maybe, he gets franchised if team is able to sign at least Dak. If they go onto the open market to fill the need, it is going to be very costly.

I fully expect Bryon Jones to be playing elsewhere next season. Using past history, you would think the team signs a mid level, veteran starter and uses at least 1 pick in the first two days of the draft at the position. A so call band-aid until this prospect is ready to assume a starting role.

Nolan's history suggest, likes size and strength at the DT position, even Will McClay stated this. It will be hard to find that legitimate 3T, but they should be able to fill the 1 without an issue. Perhaps, year 1, they play starting NT's up front.
 

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He's gone. Why the reminiscing on a has been DC seven year curse?!
 

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richard wasn’t the problem.

Marinelli was. And Bloom.

and Jason.

everyone hoping Nolan is the next Dave Wannstedt is going to be disappointed.

his history stinks. Don’t believe it? Look it up.

the only reason Nolan was hired is because he gave coach MM an OC job back in 2005, which allowed him to become the GB HC the next season.

that’s the reason.

that’s the only reason.

Nolan seem to prove himself as a capable DC in his days with the Ravens, .. but will you place the credit more to the players ....and discredit Nolan lesser as a DC ? :rolleyes:
 

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Someone at the Star must have realized how bad the Nolan hire was.

that’s why they grabbed Edwards as soon as he hit the market.

edwards is a DC. No way he takes the job without getting more control.

he’s probably the one who is running things in the background.

like Richard.

what I tend to notice with some fans,.. there will never be a coach or ex-coach without his share fair of skepticism and scrutiny.
Even some were flaming the hire of Kris Richard and definitely were after his departure. If he were so special as a defensive coach, then why did he get fired as a DC in Seattle ?

Ditto not promoting Jordan Lewis as 3rd CB over Anthony Brown, not getting these CBs to get their heads around to play ball in air, ..for not getting more turnovers and INTs from this unit, .. and blame Richard for the deblocal vs Rams playoff game and last year's drop off in LB play,..

and now here comes the Nolan criticism and scrutiny, ..
 

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I want a Defense that swarms the ball and gets after it. Everytime we got a commanding lead I would cringe. He would play that prevent crap. No wonder we never got turn overs..

I'm with you. I think a swarming style defense will be better at forcing turnovers.
 

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I am glad M is gone. However, I just want to point out that in a historical context, " a bend, don't break defense" has existed a long time in Dallas. Before M even took over. In fact, a person might consider it to be Jerry's defense.
 

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Cowboys wanted to change from Marinelli's Tampa 2 defense to Seahawk's more aggressive Legion of Boom.. thus enter Kris Richard who immediately changed Byron Jones from an average FS safety to a very solid man coverage CB, even despite a lack of ball hawk INT skills. but there was too much discension in the ranks between Marinelli and his one gap DL and Bloom's mutiny among the LB unit
plus add to it that the team supposedly refused to let Richard hire his own LB coach but insist that Bloom stay on as LB coach - so as whole the defense was bound to fail .. that's why it needs to fall on Mike Nolan alone instead of this co-DC.

i dunno whee the rare blitz theory among fans is coming from ...they blitzed quite a bit percentage but the problem was -- it was so poorly designed, it just wasnt' gettign home as it needed to be .. and ironically that played a part of Richard being allowed to walk in Seattle as Pete Carroll did not care for his penchant to blitz and leave too much of the defense exposed and vulnerable,

But the bulk of the problem was marinelli's out of control, lack of discipline and physicality in his DL unit. Marinelli practically gave up the back seven up to Richard as well as the signal calll duties - but why this team did not go ahead and give Richard the entire defense if they really thought so highly of him, i have no idea. i can only speculate that they had a high on infatuation with Marinelli that they did not want to hurt his feellings - did the same with matt Eberflus and the big confusion and departure involved too.

-His preference for more movement vs bigger bulk 1 tech,
-his low regards for the 1 tech role that no doubt played a part of the ongoing decents and JAGs revolving door we've had
over the years - and never a highly regarded 1 tech-er
-his odd rotation packages that had his best players on sideline even in red zone spots,
- and unfortunately Rod's draft involvement and preference that led to Taco over TJ Watt was one that will burn for years to come as
Watt is just ballin' in Steelers nation, while Taco was cut before his rookie contract was played out.
A lot of well researched info in this one, good post
 

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Not a fan of the bend but don't break style forcing teams to drive the length of the field. The good teams will drive the length of the field and take their points. The defense gets gassed because they're on the field too long and the opposing defense stays fresh. Terrible style to play with when the Cowboys offensive gameplan was essentially to dominate TOP and wear the other team down.
 

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This headline isn’t right...
Should read:
“Marinelli’s crew of try hards getting gashed up the middle by hordes of average NFL RBs is gone”
 

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Not a fan of the bend but don't break style forcing teams to drive the length of the field. The good teams will drive the length of the field and take their points. The defense gets gassed because they're on the field too long and the opposing defense stays fresh. Terrible style to play with when the Cowboys offensive game plan was essentially to dominate TOP and wear the other team down.

And you're right, ...The premise of the bend but don’t break defense ...is forcing teams to methodically drive the length of the field, with the notion that the defense will get that key sack-fumble strip
or INT between the 20’s of the playing field, instead of NOT being able to gorge out in huge chunks and big plays en route to a TD, - or basically that one deep bomb or two giant plays to that TD.
(kinda like what Eagles secondary usually gives up)

I could probably buy into bend but don’t break philosophy .. IF we really those kind core group of players that can consistently disrupt up front like that, or a back seven that can consistently
come up with those kind of game changing big plays, turnovers, instead of ranking among the very bottom of the NFL practically... on a yearly basis.

But it's way too many times where i'm watching Cowboys defense and saying " where da hell is da Pass Rush ?" .. ..and way too many games where we go turnover-less or if we do somehowmanage to get one , it's more off a botched QB-center bad exchange, than a DB driving at an INT in the air.

Monte Kiffen/Marinellii Tampa 2 Bucs had that kind of vicious pass rush, but also had so many ball hawks with great knack for being around the ball, and a great knack for
something always happening, that it played right into their philosophy and purpose.. it even protected some limitations of some of those ball hawks. (see barber, Lynch)
 

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Nolan seem to prove himself as a capable DC in his days with the Ravens, .. but will you place the credit more to the players ....and discredit Nolan lesser as a DC ? :rolleyes:

that was probably his best stint as DC.

how about that job he did for Atlanta?
 
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