Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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I think enough people here have seen me give Dak his props when he deserves it to know that I am not a troll. I'm far less bias one way or the other than you are.
What props have you given Dak? I would love to hear it.

Dak is what he is. No more, no less.

anywhere between 9-12 in qb ranking and climbing every year.
 

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I'm not comparing those teams. But the cowboys that won the in 96 weren't one of those before the salary cap teams either. When I mentioned Aikman, it was when the cowboys already felt the effects of the salary cap. After Harper, when did Aikman have a true number 2? After Novacek when did Aikman have a true tightend? I mentioned Aikman, because even he had to make due in his career with subpar players. By the last superbowl they won, the cowboys weren't as talent rich as 92 or 93. It demonstrates my original point that you can't keep the same level of talent around a quarterback, especially once people start getting paid. It is a fact of life, and when people start complaining about how their QB is surrounded with the proper talent, especially when it is early on when the team still has a lot of talent, many of us knowingly think that the talent level is going to drop a lot more. You think this team is going to have any time soon the same level of talent it had in 2016, 2017? Even if you going to pay Dak with a big contract? The more and more you pay people, the less and less talent you team will become, especially as people get older and their talents declines.

So tell me when was the last time a team let their franchise QB in the prime of his career, either walk or trade him away? You can babble on about declining talent and aging talent all you want but the one position that teams don't treat the same as all the other positions is the QB position.
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So tell me when was the last time a team let their franchise QB in the prime of his career, either walk or trade him away?

Washington allowed Kirk Cousins to walk and while his former team struggled without him, using two QBs that helped earn them the second overall pick in the draft, Cousins was leading the Vikings to the NFC title game. Allowing Cousins to walk made the Commanders one of the worst teams in the league.
 

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What props have you given Dak? I would love to hear it.

Dak is what he is. No more, no less.

anywhere between 9-12 in qb ranking and climbing every year.

I hope on several occasions, and I do say Dak is a good quarterback. I've given him props for improving his game this season, and when people bring out the flaw of him not being able to throw the deep ball, I have let them know that while that might of been valid a year ago, they must've not watched this season. I want Dak to stay, but not at 40 million. I hope that the Big Mac can make sure that Dak's career isn't wasted here like Romo's was. But then again, it will be if we overpay, since Dak is good but not elite.
 

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So tell me when was the last time a team let their franchise QB in the prime of his career, either walk or trade him away? You can babble on about declining talent and aging talent all you want but the one position that teams don't treat the same as all the other positions is the QB position.
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Cousins, Commanders... As for paying Dak, I'm not against it, but you don't pay a good quarterback the same price you would pay for an elite quarterback, because then there is no way to replenish the talent around him. Before people ever even thought about Dak's contract, people were talking about the hefty sum that Greenbay payed Rodgers and how it negatively impacted the talent around him. With Rodgers you do it because he is talented enough to still get you to a championship with less talent around him. Dak on the other hand, isn't as clutch as Rodgers is, and just like Romo hasn't had the playoffs success to warent paying him as if he can get your team to a championship game. Yes a lot of it here is coaching. Yes teams need talent to make it deep into the playoffs. What makes you think that Dak can get to a championship game if you pay him so much that he doesn't have talent surrounding him? I'm willing to see Dak get paid, but I think if he holds out for $40 mil than its best just to tag him and start planning for an eventual replacement, because if we pay him $40 million I can see more 8-8 seasons coming. And that is just my opinion, and you don't have to share it, but it is based on logic.
 

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Washington allowed Kirk Cousins to walk and while his former team struggled without him, using two QBs that helped earn them the second overall pick in the draft, Cousins was leading the Vikings to the NFC title game.

You're right that they let Cousins walk, but tell the whole story. The skins the first year he was eligible to become a free agent offered Cousins a contract what would have paid him in line with other QB's that were in the league for 6-7 years. He would sign so the tagged him. Then after that season the skins upped their offer and again Cousins wouldn't sign again the skins tagged him. Then after that season the skins made one more offer and cousins declined it and if the skins has tagged for the third and final year they could it would have been for more than what they offered so they let him walk. The funny thing is Cousins sign a contract with the vikings for the same dollar amount as the last skins offer only they fully guaranteed the entire contract. So for 6 years of service and pay to Cousins the skins got a single 1st round pick, the 2nd pick in the draft, because their team sucked. And who do they have now? They drafted Haskins and aren't real happy with him. They signed Alex Smith and Case Keenum who they are letting them both walk away and Colt McCoy. So tell us how good things worked out for the skins with the Cousins fiasco.

So you came up with one instance and it didn't work out very well for the team that let their franchise QB go yet there are some here who suggest the Cowboys do the same thing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
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So you came up with one instance and it didn't work out very well for the team that let their franchise QB go yet there are some here who suggest the Cowboys do the same thing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results.

Right, fans want us to follow the same recipe for failure as Washington by allowing our franchise QB to walk and replacing him with a lesser, cheaper QB like the Commanders who replaced Cousins with Alex Smith. Even had Smith not gotten injured it wasn’t going work out with him in Washington. The Commanders ended up burning a first round pick on Haskins who may not pan out. Allowing Cousins to walk put the Commanders in a huge hole that may take years to climb out of.
 

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Cousins, Commanders... As for paying Dak, I'm not against it, but you don't pay a good quarterback the same price you would pay for an elite quarterback, because then there is no way to replenish the talent around him. Before people ever even thought about Dak's contract, people were talking about the hefty sum that Greenbay payed Rodgers and how it negatively impacted the talent around him. With Rodgers you do it because he is talented enough to still get you to a championship with less talent around him. Dak on the other hand, isn't as clutch as Rodgers is, and just like Romo hasn't had the playoffs success to warent paying him as if he can get your team to a championship game. Yes a lot of it here is coaching. Yes teams need talent to make it deep into the playoffs. What makes you think that Dak can get to a championship game if you pay him so much that he doesn't have talent surrounding him? I'm willing to see Dak get paid, but I think if he holds out for $40 mil than its best just to tag him and start planning for an eventual replacement, because if we pay him $40 million I can see more 8-8 seasons coming. And that is just my opinion, and you don't have to share it, but it is based on logic.

Do you really think the packers would have offered that same contract after Rodgers had just completed his 4th season? With exception of the patriots, why has there been different teams in the Super Bowl? Because as those team get years when they have a large number of UFA they can't resign all of them so their talent level drops. That's just the nature of the business these days. The chiefs are finding themselves in pretty much the same position as the Cowboys. with 24 UFA with 7 of them starters. They have a QB that's going to demand huge dollars and they are going to have to let some talent go. That being the case do you see them repeating or even getting to the Duper Bowl. Again it's the way of the league that teams go up while they have the majority of their team under contract and then go down when those players become UFA. I'm not sure why you brought up Romo again when he signed his last contract back in 2013 - different team and different time.

Lastly professinals, Jerry, Stephen, McCarthy and Nussmeier have said Prescott is their QB and have faith in him and it counts less than zero what users here think that chance is.
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You really haven't been paying to much attention to things have you? Prescott has said publicly a couple of times now that he only wants a THREE year deal. Here's something that I'm sure you haven't thought about. The Cowboys know exactly to the penny what they will have to pay and they also know which players they will either offer low contracts to or let walk during those next 3 years. That is something nobody here has the slightest idea of. The Cowboys have their own capologist and I'll guarantee you he's not someone that posts here. Now the past three seasons or so Stephen has stopped the renegotiating contracts for cap space because he knew he had to stop that viscous cycle of renegotiating contracts to add dead money down the road. So now the Cowboys have more cap space than they ever had. Not just dollar wise but percentage wise too.
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Ok Clueless. Its unfortunate that the team with the most cap space doesn't win. The objective in the NFL is to win the super bowl not conserve cap space. So, yippee for Stephen for the cap space. Now lets see what they DO with it b/c that's what separates the good teams from the Dallas Cowboys.

Its hard to debate a guy who makes stuff up. Prescott "said" he wants a 3 year deal? Link please.
 

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He is staying and knows it. Prepare for a contract but it’s gonna get nasty for a few weeks. His agent will go hard to make his money.
With that being said, Jerry has screwed the fans, the team, and the new coach if Dak gets a big contract. Just like buying a new car.... don’t fall in love with it or you’ll overpay.
 

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With that being said, Jerry has screwed the fans, the team, and the new coach if Dak gets a big contract. Just like buying a new car.... don’t fall in love with it or you’ll overpay.
I think JJ and SJ has already fell in love and now they are paying. All the talk about him being all in on Dak being the guy.
 

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It’s not really that we believe it. It’s that we know there are lots of better options out there. You can’t explain it to the Dak homers because the eye test means nothing to them. They love those 4000+ yard fantasy numbers.
Like who?
 

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With that being said, Jerry has screwed the fans, the team, and the new coach if Dak gets a big contract. Just like buying a new car.... don’t fall in love with it or you’ll overpay.
From what ive read, MM is all in on Dak as well.
 

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Ok Clueless. Its unfortunate that the team with the most cap space doesn't win. The objective in the NFL is to win the super bowl not conserve cap space. So, yippee for Stephen for the cap space. Now lets see what they DO with it b/c that's what separates the good teams from the Dallas Cowboys.

Its hard to debate a guy who makes stuff up. Prescott "said" he wants a 3 year deal? Link please.

First, the Cowboys don't have the most cap space. The only reason the Cowboys have the cap space they have is Stephen finally stopped the vicious cycle of renegotiating contracts that add dead money down the road. This the most cap space the Cowboys have ever had both dollar wise or percentage wise. Even at that they won't have enough cap space to resign all of the players they want to.
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You're right that they let Cousins walk, but tell the whole story. The skins the first year he was eligible to become a free agent offered Cousins a contract what would have paid him in line with other QB's that were in the league for 6-7 years. He would sign so the tagged him. Then after that season the skins upped their offer and again Cousins wouldn't sign again the skins tagged him. Then after that season the skins made one more offer and cousins declined it and if the skins has tagged for the third and final year they could it would have been for more than what they offered so they let him walk. The funny thing is Cousins sign a contract with the vikings for the same dollar amount as the last skins offer only they fully guaranteed the entire contract. So for 6 years of service and pay to Cousins the skins got a single 1st round pick, the 2nd pick in the draft, because their team sucked. And who do they have now? They drafted Haskins and aren't real happy with him. They signed Alex Smith and Case Keenum who they are letting them both walk away and Colt McCoy. So tell us how good things worked out for the skins with the Cousins fiasco.

So you came up with one instance and it didn't work out very well for the team that let their franchise QB go yet there are some here who suggest the Cowboys do the same thing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
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KC let Alex Smith go after a career best year. Worked out well. Buffalo let Tyrod Taylor go. Seems like a decent trade off for now. Marcus Mariota was the franchise guy, till they decided he wasn't. Joe Flacco was the franchise guy, till they decided he wasn't. None of them were too old to keep playing at a high level. The respective teams felt they could accomplish nothing more with them and moved on.

Other teams value the Super Bowl more than good-ish seasons. Many teams do not want to go through a complete rebuild, or they have a QB with too much fan appeal to move away from. Lots of teams just keep going to the well again and again with an aging/injured QB for what amounts to be marketing reasons. See Roethlisberger, Romo, Rivers, Eli Manning, etc.
 

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Upside coming out of college 8+. FAs 6. Lots of NFL backups to trade for. If I list em, you’re gonna cherry pick Dak’s fantasy stars to make your argument. In my eyes, after 10 years of Dak, we’ll never be in a SB with him under center. For the 1000000th time, if you like mediocrity, Daks your man.
 

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why don’t YOU tell the whole story. Alex Smith didn’t work out for skins only due to that bad injury. His year there he had them at 5-2 and first place in NFC East. He didn’t walk because he didn’t work out. Smith was turning out to be a good replacement for Cousins.


You're right that they let Cousins walk, but tell the whole story. The skins the first year he was eligible to become a free agent offered Cousins a contract what would have paid him in line with other QB's that were in the league for 6-7 years. He would sign so the tagged him. Then after that season the skins upped their offer and again Cousins wouldn't sign again the skins tagged him. Then after that season the skins made one more offer and cousins declined it and if the skins has tagged for the third and final year they could it would have been for more than what they offered so they let him walk. The funny thing is Cousins sign a contract with the vikings for the same dollar amount as the last skins offer only they fully guaranteed the entire contract. So for 6 years of service and pay to Cousins the skins got a single 1st round pick, the 2nd pick in the draft, because their team sucked. And who do they have now? They drafted Haskins and aren't real happy with him. They signed Alex Smith and Case Keenum who they are letting them both walk away and Colt McCoy. So tell us how good things worked out for the skins with the Cousins fiasco.

So you came up with one instance and it didn't work out very well for the team that let their franchise QB go yet there are some here who suggest the Cowboys do the same thing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results.
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why don’t YOU tell the whole story. Alex Smith didn’t work out for skins only due to that bad injury. His year there he had them at 5-2 and first place in NFC East. He didn’t walk because he didn’t work out. Smith was turning out to be a good replacement for Cousins.

If that is so why are the skins letting him walk?
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