What is the max amount you can pay a QB and still win a SB

BoysForLife

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How short memory is sometimes. Aikman was the 2nd highest paid QB and won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years. The one year he missed the Cowboys got to the NFC championship game. I know that's a while ago now, but it does happen.
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Aikman signed that contract pre salary cap.

That little detail is a huge part of this discussion
 

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I watch the kid choke. I watched him aiming the football not throwing it. There’s not one thing he did to help in that game other than proper Hail Mary. But the receiver ran 10 yards backwards to get. That should’ve been the MVP the receiver. Seriously you really think Mahomes had a good game. LMAO. In the pool Prescott into it is sad. Has nothing to do with him. And I have to do it watching the media Lover boy stink up the game.And everybody that watched the game saw it. I don’t know how you didn’t
Winning is everything to me.
 

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Mahomes did not pull the game out. His teammates did . If you think that was all on the homes. You really don’t understand the game more than I thought in the first place
I’m not sure why you waste your time with such an idiot like me.
 

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I guess you’re only reading what you want. Because many people are repeating it where I live. Mahomes sucked
Mahomes was MVP .

You can lose 14 rounds but if you get the knockout in round 15, you win. That’s all that matters.

Stats are for those wanting to provide a narration for their opinion. lol
 

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Mahomes was MVP .

You can lose 14 rounds but if you get the knockout in round 15, you win. That’s all that matters.

Stats are for those wanting to provide a narration for their opinion. lol
IIf I have learned anything in life it’s that most people are wrong. Period all that matters is the win you are correct. But they give Mahomes the credit is laughable. Who else are they going to give it to. They should’ve given it to the full back from San Fran. He played 10 times better than The media lover boy did. Just admit it because you look foolish
And I don’t recall using statistics. I recall the sloppy crappy game he played. Mr. hail Mary LMAO. Do you really think the kid deserves the MVP.
 

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I’m not sure why you waste your time with such an idiot like me.
Because you’re a cowboy brother. With a thick head. You’re still family. But you’re totally wrong in this case Mahomes sucked. The media is looking to replace Aaron Rodgers they need a lover boy a hero. And he’s not it
 

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S.F. ( I thought) presented the more dominant & solidly consistent offensive 57.5 minutes of game plan attack
( imho)o_O
The media is looking for the next hero the lover boy. Aaron Rodgers is done. They better look further than Mahomes
 

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Brady has skewed the numbers because it is such a small sample size and he's one of the best ever. I think in the next ten years after Brady retires you will see about 50% market rate qbs winning Super Bowls and 50% rookie contract qbs.
 

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There is no magical #. It’s all in how you manage the salary cap. Cowboys do a good job of that.
Good job 8-8 with a 4 year starter at QB on peanut pay with nothing to show for it, that’s masterful management at work. Can’t wait for you and Jerry to start the Super Bowl talk again.
 

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I totally support Dak and have no problem with him getting paid ITS HIS TIME. He paid his dues and has given us extremely good value durability and leadership . I am totally excited about finally having a real NFL coaching staff .

My beef is why did it take so long for Jerry to put some value on coaching and make Dak and many of our other good players waste 4 yrs under mediocre coaching . Other franchises that have a GMs that run things like a business make a push to get to a SB while their young players are working for reasonable numbers . That means assembling an elite coaching staff first not making a project out of your pet cat and wasting a bunch of good players careers in the process
Its not just Dak we have to pay but his salary is the one with the biggest increase so it gets the most attention . What about the other players we have to sign or lose talent .

Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe if we sign all our guys it will have no effect on who we sign in the future ??
It ALWAYS has an effect.
 

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It dosent look like very much to me . Are the Packers , Seahawks , Vikings , Steelers Lions winning SBs

Pats with the GOAT at a very reasonable figure are pretty consistent at it , A guy that not only elevates the players around him but plays cheap seems to be the answer.

How much was Nick Foles and Wentz making together when they won it How about Flacco and Wilson when they won SBs or Mahomes this year Didnt Peyton take a pay cut in 2015 so the Broncos could get it done .

This isnt about Dak wanting to get paid THEY ALL WANT AND DO GET PAID . The difference is their respective franchises dont SQUANDER their rookie contracts and provide the team with talent and coaching to get it done before THEY HAVE TO PAY THEM!!!!

We didnt make use of the window of opportunity and IMO it dosent matter if its 30 or 40 MIL WE NEEDED TO GET IT DONE WHILE IT WAS 650K
Now we will be a few players away like all the rest of the teams that have had to pay . No matter how well we are coached or how well Dak plays it wont equal the 6-8 impact players we could have for 30 -40 mil
Agree here.

The window has already closed on this roster doing anything now.

We needed to ride the lightning we had in 2016 when Zeke and Dak first arrived.

That team was so good Garrett won Coach of the Year.

But that team could not overcome the coaching staff that was unprepared to play at the needed levels.

It happened again in 2018 when we beat Seattle then crashed hopelessly against the Rams.

That was about it.

Now we are down in the lower half of the league and will struggle to come back.

Hate it, but those are the facts. At this point I would rather let Dak go and just dive into complete rebuild under McCarthy.

Dak is now 5 years into his career and had some strong teams around him but no wins of any significance.

Let him go to another team that wants to pay his contract. Only teams that are not loaded with players not drawing big payrolls can afford him.

That also means they will not have an All Pro OL to play behind or a All Pro RB to handoff to.

It will basically be Dak needing to raise his play by 50% to win and Dak does not have that sort of upside to pull that off.

So we all need to understand where we are and why we are here..

and where we are going.

And most importantly who now takes us as quickly as possible.
 

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It dosent look like very much to me . Are the Packers , Seahawks , Vikings , Steelers Lions winning SBs

Pats with the GOAT at a very reasonable figure are pretty consistent at it , A guy that not only elevates the players around him but plays cheap seems to be the answer.

How much was Nick Foles and Wentz making together when they won it How about Flacco and Wilson when they won SBs or Mahomes this year Didnt Peyton take a pay cut in 2015 so the Broncos could get it done .

This isnt about Dak wanting to get paid THEY ALL WANT AND DO GET PAID . The difference is their respective franchises dont SQUANDER their rookie contracts and provide the team with talent and coaching to get it done before THEY HAVE TO PAY THEM!!!!

We didnt make use of the window of opportunity and IMO it dosent matter if its 30 or 40 MIL WE NEEDED TO GET IT DONE WHILE IT WAS 650K
Now we will be a few players away like all the rest of the teams that have had to pay . No matter how well we are coached or how well Dak plays it wont equal the 6-8 impact players we could have for 30 -40 mil

When the Patriots were at their best ie Brady age 26-31 he was not taking the paycut he did these last 6 years.
 

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Agree here.

The window has already closed on this roster doing anything now.

We needed to ride the lightning we had in 2016 when Zeke and Dak first arrived.

That team was so good Garrett won Coach of the Year.

But that team could not overcome the coaching staff that was unprepared to play at the needed levels.

It happened again in 2018 when we beat Seattle then crashed hopelessly against the Rams.

That was about it.

Now we are down in the lower half of the league and will struggle to come back.

Hate it, but those are the facts. At this point I would rather let Dak go and just dive into complete rebuild under McCarthy.

Dak is now 5 years into his career and had some strong teams around him but no wins of any significance.

Let him go to another team that wants to pay his contract. Only teams that are not loaded with players not drawing big payrolls can afford him.

That also means they will not have an All Pro OL to play behind or a All Pro RB to handoff to.

It will basically be Dak needing to raise his play by 50% to win and Dak does not have that sort of upside to pull that off.

So we all need to understand where we are and why we are here..

and where we are going.

And most importantly who now takes us as quickly as possible.


Reds my heart wants to believe the window is not already closed because this is the team I love and we finally have a coaching staff

With the staff we have now in 2016 we could have done something . We have the man that stopped us used an inferior roster and made it so we could not even substitute our players after Garrett having 2 weeks to prepare .

Dak has earned his pay day like all the other QBs that get paid its Jerrys fault for sticking with inferior coaching through his rookie contract .

Its not just Dak there are other players that have to be paid to keep our level of talent the same the increase is just not as drastic so it draws less attention . It never the less takes up important needed cap space needed to fix the Defense

My heart wants Dak to sign and this new staff to succeed badly . My good sense tells me 2 first round picks a rookie contract and an extra 35mil to sign FAs to fix the defense probably helps get the team to a SB faster and gives this coaching staff maximum talent to work with .

That said Dak has been the most durable , available player able to play at a high level and improve their game every year . There are no guarantees that a rookie QB even makes it through the season let alone plays well especially being thrown to the wolves like Dak was .

I still remember the guys we wanted to pick before Dak are not in the NFL, Dak is battle tested that is tough to put a price on .

If we drafted a QB and let Dak go the pressure and expectations would be very difficult for anyone to handle . How would his character withstand this as a rookie Daks is an unflappable high character guy who is a proven leader and positive influence in the locker room and community .

There is a lot to think about PRO and CON but down deep I would really like to see Dak continue to mature and lead us to a championship
 

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When the Patriots were at their best ie Brady age 26-31 he was not taking the paycut he did these last 6 years.
Pats have won 3 superbowls from 2014 to 2018 with Brady past his prime pretty good indication a cap friendly QB is a big part of winning a championship in my mind.
 

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Pats have won 3 superbowls from 2014 to 2018 with Brady past his prime pretty good indication a cap friendly QB is a big part of winning a championship in my mind.
Having the Belichick / Brady combo has more to do with that than anything else.
 

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Having the Belichick / Brady combo has more to do with that than anything else.

All true but being able to add talent because you have players playing at cap friendly figures wanting to win championships rather than milk every last dime from the franchise has to help
 

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All true but being able to add talent because you have players playing at cap friendly figures wanting to win championships rather than milk every last dime from the franchise has to help
That's a theory you have no way of proving and I admittedly have no way of disproving.
 

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Mahomes was MVP .

You can lose 14 rounds but if you get the knockout in round 15, you win. That’s all that matters.

Stats are for those wanting to provide a narration for their opinion. lol
Using the MVP as an attempt to bolster your position is extremely weak. Eli was MVP in 07, and he wasn't even close to being the MVP. SO, your MVP argument is nothing but a narration for your opinion!!!
 
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