Dak's contract is going to be a bargain in 3 or 4 years if we sign him now?

atlantacowboy · Feb 18, 2020

Streetwise said:
An unrealistic one, good point.

What exactly do you consider "unrealistic". Thanx for chiming in.

wrongway · Feb 18, 2020

Future said:
Doesn't matter if you're tired of it. This team is talented.

True it doesn't matter, it also doesn't matter that you think they are. If 8-8 floats your boat, fine.

KB1122 · Feb 18, 2020

It's never a bargain if you sign the wrong guy.

G2 · Feb 18, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Thanx for chiming in.

You quoted me clown.

MaineBoy · Feb 18, 2020

Witness the bastion of Daktards: statistics. If statistics somehow say Dak was the most accurate QB in the NFL last year, that tells you all you need to know about statistics. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. I’m forever puzzled why these Daktards won’t trust their eyes. Just watch the games.

QUOTE="Future, post: 10015815, member: 2992"]Saying Dak has "super average skills" is...dumb. He was the only QB in the top-5 in both air yards and accuracy last year. Not sure how that counts as average. Literally no quarterback in the league threw it as far and as accurately as he did last year. Not one.

But please, keep blathering about how he has average skills.[/QUOTE]

Future · Feb 18, 2020

MaineBoy said:
Witness the bastion of Daktards: statistics. If statistics somehow say Dak was the most accurate QB in the NFL last year, that tells you all you need to know about statistics. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. I’m forever puzzled why these Daktards won’t trust their eyes. Just watch the games.

QUOTE="Future, post: 10015815, member: 2992"]Saying Dak has "super average skills" is...dumb. He was the only QB in the top-5 in both air yards and accuracy last year. Not sure how that counts as average. Literally no quarterback in the league threw it as far and as accurately as he did last year. Not one.

But please, keep blathering about how he has average skills.

[/QUOTE]
They're not lies. It is literally concrete data.

The only people who say that "statistics are lies" are people who have a narrative they want to create that isn't based on any sense of reality. Your eyes are trash if you watched last year and thought Dak wasn't accurate. That take means that you only remember the inaccurate throws and ignore all the good ones. It means you have a poor opinion, and should probably be embarrassed about putting it in writing.

LittleD · Feb 18, 2020

CCBoy said:
Along with the cap expanding over the next few years, a new player's agreement could push up available funds as well.

Then a negotiated contract now, and not placement of a tag...that hits the cap immediately. A contract, can be worked around and hit effects juggled over three to four years. This puts more immediately available funds into play right now. The team better gain in player quality and retentions as well. The defense needs some free agent acquisitions as well as upgrades...

As to Dak Prescott, the phrase was pay the pain, before the champagne. Here, Dak, in all games started...is 40 wins and 24 losses. Over the past three seasons, Dak also has the 2nd most come-back wins in the entire NFL. Shortly, the contract fo Dak this year...as stated above, will not be record setting.

You're guessing that the cap will keep expanding in the future. Look at NASCAR for example. Lots of empty seats in NFL stadiums this year and for the last several years. The golden calf may actually melt over the next few years.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Feb 18, 2020

I've been skipping over this thread. Because how can Dak's deal be a bargain 3 or 4 years from now, when we will need to re-sign him 3 or 4 years from now? The hold up in his negotiations is he doesn't want to sign a long term deal. He's basically forcing the team's hand now, so he can force their hand again in a couple of years.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

Statistics are not concrete data. They are not infowlable because they are not static. There was a study done in 2009 by Dr. Daniele Fanelli who found that 37% of scientists admitted to questionable research practices. The problem with Stats is not that they lie, necessarily. The problem is that they are often manipulated in order to reach a specific conclusion or support a very specific narrative. That happens in all walks of life and sports are no different.

Stats aren't a bad thing but you can't allow them to simply rule the day. At some point, common sense has to kick in and you have to make evaluations based on what you know, rather then what any given statistic might suggest. They aren't always accurate.

CCBoy · Feb 18, 2020

LittleD said:
You're guessing that the cap will keep expanding in the future. Look at NASCAR for example. Lots of empty seats in NFL stadiums this year and for the last several years. The golden calf may actually melt over the next few years.

The NFL is geared to the excitement of the fan...oh, it will survive and the media will do all that it can to further that exact outcome.

garyo1954 · Feb 18, 2020

LittleD said:
You're guessing that the cap will keep expanding in the future. Look at NASCAR for example. Lots of empty seats in NFL stadiums this year and for the last several years. The golden calf may actually melt over the next few years.

True. Most people don't realize the cap actually dropped in 2011.

In 2009 it was $123 million. 2010 was uncapped. In 2011 it was $120 million.
Since then it has only increased by about $10-$12 million year to year. The cap in 2018 was $177.2 million. In 2019 it was 188.2 million.

LittleD · Feb 18, 2020

CCBoy said:
The NFL is geared to the excitement of the fan...oh, it will survive and the media will do all that it can to further that exact outcome.

IMVHO the XFL these last couple of weeks is more exciting than the NFL game. The officials have just about taken the fun out of the game for me.

csirl · Feb 18, 2020

Interesting that there is a lot of talk about Dak only wanting a 3 or 4 year contract so he can "test the market".

I think this is coming out of the Dak camp - I think its because Dallas has decided a long time ago not to sign him long term.

CATCH17 · Feb 18, 2020

Prime21 said:
Dak will probably be renegotiating his next contract in 3 or 4 years. This is one of the hang ups. Cowboys FO want to lock him up long term so that his contract is a bargain in a few years but Dak wants a shorter deal that allows him to re up after new QB contracts raise the going rate for a QB.

Jerry will get fleeced in this negotiation.

Yeah.. It doesn't matter if the CBA goes up if Dak is holding out for a 3 or 4 year deal and the team wants 6 or 7 years.

CCBoy · Feb 18, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
That also means that for 3 or 4 years it's NOT a bargain.

That doesn't erase the fact that him demanding anything more than fair market value is pure breed.

Oh, his agent is plenty dumb alright...

Future · Feb 18, 2020

LittleD said:
You're guessing that the cap will keep expanding in the future. Look at NASCAR for example. Lots of empty seats in NFL stadiums this year and for the last several years. The golden calf may actually melt over the next few years.

Ticket sales don't matter.

The next TV deal is going to be huge and the cap is going to up significantly. The NFL gets roughly $1b from each of Fox, CBS and NBC for Sunday games and about $5b total for selling games right now. That number is definitely going to go up, especially if someone like Amazon wants to be a player. They could come in with something like a $10b offer and blow the whole thing up, if they wanted to.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

It's not a given that Amazon will invest further into the NFL. I mean, they already have rights to Thursday Night games, I believe. The kicker here might be Bezos' interest in buying the Hags. If that happens, I am not certain how this impacts Amazon and it's interests in carrying NFL Games. This will be interesting to watch.

kumizi · Feb 18, 2020

We'll be rebuilding in 3-4 years when Zack, Tyron, Fred, Dlaw, Zeke are all done. This team is built to win now.

ABQCOWBOY · Feb 18, 2020

kumizi said:
We'll be rebuilding in 3-4 years when Zack, Tyron, Fred, Dlaw, Zeke are all done. This team is built to win now.

Not to me. This Defense is third rate at best right now, IMO. If we are to win, we need significant upgrades in at every personnel grouping and multiple players in some. JMO

Jarv · Feb 18, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
I've been skipping over this thread. Because how can Dak's deal be a bargain 3 or 4 years from now, when we will need to re-sign him 3 or 4 years from now? The hold up in his negotiations is he doesn't want to sign a long term deal. He's basically forcing the team's hand now, so he can force their hand again in a couple of years.

Ding Ding Ding...Winner...So by the time the contract looks good, we're at the table again.

The new NFL of the future could be to pay BIG money to QB guru's (no cap on that) and good offensive schemes, probably more college based. Then like the college ranks just keep on reloading QBs unless you run into a real super star, like Mahones.

The higher percentage you spend on the QB, like going from 14% of your cap to 20% really limits what you can do in other areas of the team. We're seeing it already with teams really pressing to win at the beginning og the QBs rookie deal. It's a shame too it's changing the game. These rookie QBs have to come out and play (or are pressured too) at a high level right off the bat, while years ago they had a little breathing room to sit on the bench and learn from the starter for at least a year.

Dak's contract is going to be a bargain in 3 or 4 years if we sign him now?

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