Do people really believe there is a better option than Dak this year?

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Cut Dak. Make Cooper Rush the starter. Sign a free agent journeyman QB to back him up. Use the number 1 pick in the entire draft to draft a QB. J/K
 

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First, the Cowboys don't have the most cap space. The only reason the Cowboys have the cap space they have is Stephen finally stopped the vicious cycle of renegotiating contracts that add dead money down the road. This the most cap space the Cowboys have ever had both dollar wise or percentage wise. Even at that they won't have enough cap space to resign all of the players they want to.
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Yay.......we have cap space. The point is that if all your going to do is sign your own players to more expensive contracts, the team isn't likely closer to a super bowl.
 
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Yay.......we have cap space. The point is that if all your going to do is sign your own players to more expensive contracts, the team isn't likely closer to a super bowl.
Exactly. We got into a favorable cap position and became afraid to spend some of that on free agents to try and make a SB run. But we have money to pay the same players more money who weren't good enough to win.
 

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Yay.......we have cap space. The point is that if all your going to do is sign your own players to more expensive contracts, the team isn't likely closer to a super bowl.

Oh so players like Cooper and Byron Jones will in no way help the Cowboys to succeed? Please stop with your we can get better players for the same price crap. The Cowboys have the #1, #3 and #6 free agents to try to resign. Not to mention trying to resign Quinn who led the Cowboys in sacks last season. But you think resigning those players is taking a step back. I just thank God you have zero to do with the Cowboys.
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Oh so players like Cooper and Byron Jones will in no way help the Cowboys to succeed? Please stop with your we can get better players for the same price crap. The Cowboys have the #1, #3 and #6 free agents to try to resign. Not to mention trying to resign Quinn who led the Cowboys in sacks last season. But you think resigning those players is taking a step back. I just thank God you have zero to do with the Cowboys.
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And the #1 DE FA was signed last year to top 3 money
The #1 RB was signed 2 years early to the top contract
The LT has a top 5 type contract
The RG has the top contract
The RT has a top 2 or 3 contract...

Uh, not sure where Jaylons ranks...

But yeah, these signings are having a HUGE impact on improving the win/loss record and proven to be the key factor in reaching the Super Bowl...

Sign some more for more 8 and 8 is what I say

Makes total sense
 

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Do you really think the packers would have offered that same contract after Rodgers had just completed his 4th season? With exception of the patriots, why has there been different teams in the Super Bowl? Because as those team get years when they have a large number of UFA they can't resign all of them so their talent level drops. That's just the nature of the business these days. The chiefs are finding themselves in pretty much the same position as the Cowboys. with 24 UFA with 7 of them starters. They have a QB that's going to demand huge dollars and they are going to have to let some talent go. That being the case do you see them repeating or even getting to the Duper Bowl. Again it's the way of the league that teams go up while they have the majority of their team under contract and then go down when those players become UFA. I'm not sure why you brought up Romo again when he signed his last contract back in 2013 - different team and different time.

Lastly professinals, Jerry, Stephen, McCarthy and Nussmeier have said Prescott is their QB and have faith in him and it counts less than zero what users here think that chance is.
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First of all, I want Dak to get sign, but for what is fair and not $40 million. There is a difference between paying Dak a bit more than Wentz, and Paying Dak $40 million when he hasn't done diddly in the playoffs. Why would the cowboys handy cap themselves like Greenbay did when Dak hasn't gotten to an NFC Championship game yet even. And why again repeat what Jerry said, we all know that Dak is Jerry's guy, and Jerry will try to work something out. But that doesn't make paying Dak the elite tag when he is not elite a good idea. You bring up the nature of the NFL, but generally those guys get paid after having sucess,
 

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Right, fans want us to follow the same recipe for failure as Washington by allowing our franchise QB to walk and replacing him with a lesser, cheaper QB like the Commanders who replaced Cousins with Alex Smith. Even had Smith not gotten injured it wasn’t going work out with him in Washington. The Commanders ended up burning a first round pick on Haskins who may not pan out. Allowing Cousins to walk put the Commanders in a huge hole that may take years to climb out of.

Or perhaps, Cousins put the Commanders in a no win situation. I mean just because they suffered letting him go, doesn't mean they wouldn't have suffered keeping him and overpaying either. Dak can put the Joneses in a no win situation as well insisting on $40 mil.
 

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Or perhaps, Cousins put the Commanders in a no win situation. I mean just because they suffered letting him go, doesn't mean they wouldn't have suffered keeping him and overpaying either. Dak can put the Joneses in a no win situation as well insisting on $40 mil.

Cousins was giving the Commanders a chance to compete and without him they're picking number 2 overall. All they competed for this past season was the top pick in the draft. It's the outrageous salaries QBs are making who aren't even elite that put the Commanders in a tough situation. Cousins knew if Washington wouldn't pay him someone would. He did the smart thing by collecting big money under the franchise tag and making even bigger money in free agency. The NFL is a business and players have to do what's in their best interest. Had it been RG3 who was putting up those numbers Cousins was in Washington, the Commanders wouldn't have hesitated paying him because they invested several draft picks to move up to number 2 overall to select him. Washington only invested a 4th round pick on Cousins and his 0-3 playoff record along with his draft status made him expendable in their eyes. Washington and their fan base came very close to living their worst nightmare had Cousins led the Vikings to a championship in 2019. A no win situation is moving on from a young, productive QB and replacing them with a castoff, like the Commanders did by replacing Cousins with Alex Smith.

The Chiefs would have won nothing had they stayed with Alex Smith and not drafted Mahomes. When Mohomes resigns he'll reset the QB market and the outrageous QB salaries will become even more outrageous, unless the NFL puts a cap on QB salaries which isn't going to happen. The Commanders are a stupid organization that got lucky on a QB in the 4th round and let him go. Fans on this board want the Cowboys to make the same stupid mistake with Dak. Only the Browns and Dolphins have have more trouble landing a franchise QB than Washington. The Commanders have burned 4 first round draft picks on QBs the past three decades, two of which were top 5 picks and they all went bust. They just burned another first round pick on Haskins. If he doesn't pan out Washington will continue spinning their wheels searching for a QB. If Haskins pans out should they move on from him because he's going to want huge money to resign? When his contract is up QB salaries are going to be even higher. The bottom line is you're not going to win a SB looking for a cheap castoff to lead your team.
 

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Cousins was giving the Commanders a chance to compete and without him they're picking number 2 overall. All they competed for this past season was the top pick in the draft. It's the outrageous salaries QBs are making who aren't even elite that put the Commanders in a tough situation. Cousins knew if Washington wouldn't pay him someone would. He did the smart thing by collecting big money under the franchise tag and making even bigger money in free agency. The NFL is a business and players have to do what's in their best interest. Had it been RG3 who was putting up those numbers Cousins was in Washington, the Commanders wouldn't have hesitated paying him because they invested several draft picks to move up to number 2 overall to select him. Washington only invested a 4th round pick on Cousins and his 0-3 playoff record along with his draft status made him expendable in their eyes. Washington and their fan base came very close to living their worst nightmare had Cousins led the Vikings to a championship in 2019. A no win situation is moving on from a young, productive QB and replacing them with a castoff, like the Commanders did by replacing Cousins with Alex Smith.

The Chiefs would have won nothing had they stayed with Alex Smith and not drafted Mahomes. When Mohomes resigns he'll reset the QB market and the outrageous QB salaries will become even more outrageous, unless the NFL puts a cap on QB salaries which isn't going to happen. The Commanders are a stupid organization that got lucky on a QB in the 4th round and let him go. Fans on this board want the Cowboys to make the same stupid mistake with Dak. Only the Browns and Dolphins have have more trouble landing a franchise QB than Washington. The Commanders have burned 4 first round draft picks on QBs the past three decades, two of which were top 5 picks and they all went bust. They just burned another first round pick on Haskins. If he doesn't pan out Washington will continue spinning their wheels searching for a QB. If Haskins pans out should they move on from him because he's going to want huge money to resign? When his contract is up QB salaries are going to be even higher. The bottom line is you're not going to win a SB looking for a cheap castoff to lead your team.

The question, still, though is: If Dak hasn't had playoff success with the amount of talent he had, then what makes you think he will have success with even less talent around him? I think we want to pay Dak, but there reward/risk of paying him/having him here, will eventually start having an negative impact on the team after a certain amount you pay. Is Dak the kind of quarterback to be able to succeed with little to no talent surrounding him? You are saying that paying Dak keeps the most important piece with the cowboys, which is true. But so far from what we have seen of Dak, he is no better than Romo when it comes to winning Playoffs games. He hasn't shown himself to be the kind of clutch quarterback that Brady, Rodgers or even Eli have been in the past. He is just normal. Better coaching will increase his chances of playoff success, but that won't in my opinion increase our chances of winning a super bowl if Dak is surrounded by a bunch of Jags because you can't afford to pay anybody else. He's good but not elite. If Dak sticks to wanting too much, then at some point it puts the cowboys in a no win situation, If you overpay the guy you risk of going 8-8 a lot, if you let him walk then you have to go through the pains of finding a quarterback. The best choice at the moment is to tag him, and keep negotiating. The no win situation is a choice of being stuck in mediocrity of 8-8's, or gambling on finding someone else which you might not find.. You opinion might differ, but in mines Dak's not worth $40 million a year, Romo probably wasn't either if he was in this situation and the same age as Dak.
 

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The question, still, though is: If Dak hasn't had playoff success with the amount of talent he had, then what makes you think he will have success with even less talent around him?

Where have you been? He has had some playoff success, he won a playoff game against a QB that’s currently the highest paid player in the league. Did you miss that game? He brought us back from a deep hole against Green Bay in the playoffs his rookie season. Had it not been for a great throw by Aaron Rodgers in the final seconds we may have won that game. What makes you think he’s going to have less talent around him? We’re going to lose a few players in free agency but we’re going to gain some players that may end up being better. I’m not going to waste anymore time with this if you’re one of those fans who thinks we should let him walk.
 

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Where have you been? He has had some playoff success, he won a playoff game against a QB that’s currently the highest paid player in the league. Did you miss that game? He brought us back from a deep hole against Green Bay in the playoffs his rookie season. Had it not been for a great throw by Aaron Rodgers in the final seconds we may have won that game. What makes you think he’s going to have less talent around him? We’re going to lose a few players in free agency but we’re going to gain some players that may end up being better. I’m not going to waste anymore time with this if you’re one of those fans who thinks we should let him walk.

If the quarterback takes up 20% of you Salary Cap, you don't think that will effect the amount of talent that surrounds him? XD Dak naturally benefits the team, the amount you pay him detracts from the team. Eventually if you pay a quarterback too much costs outweighs the benefits he provides.
 

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Upside coming out of college 8+. FAs 6. Lots of NFL backups to trade for. If I list em, you’re gonna cherry pick Dak’s fantasy stars to make your argument. In my eyes, after 10 years of Dak, we’ll never be in a SB with him under center. For the 1000000th time, if you like mediocrity, Daks your man.

Nah... i wont cherry pick anything. I'm actually genuinely interested on who potential replacements can be, especially with this record setting contract looming in the distance . No need to assume my response, bud.
 

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If MM goes for Dak at a high price, we are looking at another Garrett.

I REALLY hope thats not the case. Also, something to consider is that MM is (apparently) a QB builder. Perhaps he see's potential in Dak?
 

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And the #1 DE FA was signed last year to top 3 money
The #1 RB was signed 2 years early to the top contract
The LT has a top 5 type contract
The RG has the top contract
The RT has a top 2 or 3 contract...

Uh, not sure where Jaylons ranks...

But yeah, these signings are having a HUGE impact on improving the win/loss record and proven to be the key factor in reaching the Super Bowl...

Sign some more for more 8 and 8 is what I say

Makes total sense

What you're saying is get bargain basement contract players because heaven forbid they sign players at the current price for players the year they sign them. Have you ever heard of the old saying of you get what you pay for?
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Exactly. We got into a favorable cap position and became afraid to spend some of that on free agents to try and make a SB run. But we have money to pay the same players more money who weren't good enough to win.
You guys are just ignorant. The coaching has been the problem. Do you watch the games?
 

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You guys are just ignorant. The coaching has been the problem. Do you watch the games?
Yes I watched the games. I believe we would be more successful if we had better talent, which was available. Do you think the Cowboys talent was as good as it possibly could have been?
 

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If the quarterback takes up 20% of you Salary Cap, you don't think that will effect the amount of talent that surrounds him? XD Dak naturally benefits the team, the amount you pay him detracts from the team. Eventually if you pay a quarterback too much costs outweighs the benefits he provides.

Every team in the league has to deal with the high price of QBs. Paying a franchise QB doesn’t outweigh the benefits they provide because they influence the outcome of games more than any other position. You have to pay them or you’re going to be stuck with a castoff or have to burn a high pick on a QB that could go bust. Some of you obviously don’t get it!
 

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First of all, I want Dak to get sign, but for what is fair and not $40 million. There is a difference between paying Dak a bit more than Wentz, and Paying Dak $40 million when he hasn't done diddly in the playoffs. Why would the cowboys handy cap themselves like Greenbay did when Dak hasn't gotten to an NFC Championship game yet even. And why again repeat what Jerry said, we all know that Dak is Jerry's guy, and Jerry will try to work something out. But that doesn't make paying Dak the elite tag when he is not elite a good idea. You bring up the nature of the NFL, but generally those guys get paid after having sucess,

First off if it was just Jerry's opinion then you might have a point but both McCarthy and Nussmeier have also said hwo much they like Prescott and how they are looking forward to working with him. It's also obvious that you don't get it that the QB position salaries rise at a much quicker rate than any other position. You and others want to compare what Prescott MIGHT get paid to what other QB's got paid in previous years when the price for QB's were what it was that year and not what the cost that goes up every year and what it is today. Unfortunately for you and others teams don't get to lock in salary amounts for multiple years and not expect the those cost won't and don't go up every year. You and other think it's totally reasonable for players to accept what WAS the going rate and not what the actually current rate has moved to. Gee why don't you say Prescott should be happy to get what starting QB's got back when the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls while you at it because it worked for Aikman.
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Yes I watched the games. I believe we would be more successful if we had better talent, which was available. Do you think the Cowboys talent was as good as it possibly could have been?
You can say that about every team. I 100% believe there was/is enough talent on this team to win the SB. They had no faith in the prior coaching staff. It caused all kinds of issues. But now there's a new regime so wallowing in past misery is for losers. There’s going to be a new team and with that comes hope. A lot to be excited about. Until you visit CZ and see all the negativity.
 

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You can say that about every team. I 100% believe there was/is enough talent on this team to win the SB. They had no faith in the prior coaching staff. It caused ash kinds of issues. But now there's a new regime so wallowing in past misery is for losers. There’s going to be a new team and with that comes hope. A lot to be excited about. Until you visit CZ and see all the negativity.
There was nothing negative about my post. Hell, there is more negativity in your post regarding the coaching staff than me pointing out the team seemed afraid of pulling the trigger and spending some of the cap space to bring in talent to help the team instead of relying on the same guys who haven’t been able to get the job done yet. We need more talent. No use having great CAP numbers if we aren’t ever going to bring in some free agents to try and push us to the top.
 
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